Problems with some journals

Field Reports & Anecdotal Experience Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports
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I have noticed that in a lot of people’s journals on here they fail to document a control group, and no I’m not talking about a dry day but several dry days prior to starting their mones.

The problem with this is, once you start using the mones(especially with intent on making a journal) you are going to be paying increased attention to detail. You will also be documenting how this differs from before you started using mones. Now I’ve seen most people just state that before so and so didn’t open up as much and so on, but that wasn’t documented. Did they NEVER open up, or was it every once in awhile? Did you pay attention to if they got happier or talkative around you BEFORE you started using the mones? You don’t know because you never payed that close of attention before. Now your attention to detail is substantially increased over what it was prior.

Basically what I’m saying is that there are always irregularities in your day. Someone will always do something they didn’t normally do or be in a random mood to open up. Without proper documentation, like people are starting after beginning their journals, you have no control group with which to contrast the true difference they are making.

So to fix this you need to have a trial period before you start use. say the 3-5 days before between getting your gc and the shipment arriving. When documenting, act like you have something on to test. In other words, pretend you have the mones on already, because when you get the mones you will want to test it right? And in order to test it you are going to maybe try making a convo when you normally wouldn’t. This gives you a greater chance for irregularities where before you wouldn’t have had it. If you don’t account for this in the control group it adds another variable (besides mones) that is affecting how your day runs.

Also, try to make this documentation mone specific for what the product you will be testing is supposed to change. If it makes people open make sure to note every person who opens up to you on a normal basis and how open they are in the control period.

Now, once you have your product you have at least a somewhat strong basis to cast the changes against. Ex, before starting it seemed that maybe 6 people opened up, now that has increased to 7 or 8 people and detail has increased. This is a much more valid explanation than then I got home and my girlfriend couldn’t wait to open up to me. Anyone who knows statistics can tell you one outcome is not sufficient to validate a conclusion on the whole of a system. The average is much more important.

Oh and of course try to avoid realizing that you actually aren’t wearing the mones and therefore skewing the results to make it seem alittle less during this phase. I know i always have a problem with this because I’m scared that the product might not help as much as it is supposed to so I make my life seem just alittle worse beforehand. That is biasness at work. haha

Anyway, this is just something that I noticed and thought I would speak my mind. Thoughts?

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I think you’re looking more into proof of if pheromones work or not. Part of the Journal’s purpose is to help you document your interactions and any changes they may have during the couses of interaction (days off vs mone days). Most of the people here aren’t scientist or don’t care about the research (but still help further it for AD) and just look for results. Most of these are empirical evidence of what these products do and don’t. There aren’t ever any perfect testing grounds, there are too many variables. These products are meant to help enhance your interactions and provide a social lubricant in those interactions. Merely basing it off of numbers versus perception doesn’t always mean a report is better than another.

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I think what you are saying is valid. Actually this has been said before. The problem with journals is that first off most people don’t actually want to keep one. They usually start keeping one after they notice the results. Most people that purchase from this site will never start a journal, and may never even post again after their introduction.

The only issue I have with what you are saying is the control group. Who would you use as a control? People that know you well don’t always respond to mones initially. Some of them fight against their instincts that something is different. Strangers however begin to do things that are definitely out of the norm. So the only true control is yourself or watching a target (stranger) for patterns of behavior before engaging. Sometimes people on here do that.

However I believe, and I may be wrong, that most of us post all behaviors whether it’s a positive hit or miss or whatever and we let AD make a decision. Like P51 said, we aren’t scientist. This is a just an expensive glorified hobby with amazing benefits. :wink:

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While what I am saying would help to prove that pheromones work thats not the point. You would need this for anything you do that would require you to have knowledge of how you were before. You could use something like this to help you better find your sweet spot. Since now you would be more aware of the actual changes.

I was saying to use yourself as the control. Thats why I said to start the journal prior to use. Control group would be the standard so if you start the journal before anything has changed…

Yeah I know a lot of people get the gc and never come back, but its worth a shot!

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Over time that just naturally happens.

If you’ve read some of the more established members here. You can read their progression in their Journals and how they were able to find out exactly how it affects them and what kind of changes there are based ont he molecules they use.

With these molecules, it’s not always cut and dry and IMO your senses have to be tuned in to notice these reactions, both through time and experience.

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some mones eg instant line has consistent hits but you need some training to pickup these subtle IOIs and shifts in attitudes .

let me put it in other way around : spray your friend with IS and watch the shift
some hits are undeniable.

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Having a “control group” is extremely hard to do on a consistent basis. Most members here are pretty busy people that have a variety of social interactions with people on a daily basis SteveO being a great example.

Take me for instance. My main testing ground for mones for the past few years has been at college. Very rarely do I have the exact same people in my classes every semester so it would be almost impossible to get longitudinal data on somebody that I probably won’t see on a daily basis. And of course when I’m out and about I have very little control over who I might see.

I agree with this to a slight extent. At the very beginning this is definitely a problem (and still is slightly) but as time goes on you get better at spotting hits, depending on your subject of interest.

Today is a prime example. There’s a woman who I know (single mom I believe) and while we do get along great we rarely talk for that long. Today I wore a mutant ICM mix with one drop of A1 and she was very into the conversation, going as far as putting her daughter on hold even when she was supposed to be going to pick her up. She made efforts to keep the conversation going.

Most wouldn’t consider that a hit but as you delve deeper into the phero realm you’re able to pick up on stuff like that.:wink:

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driller4life, What your saying makes sense. You cant tell if people are reacting if you dont know how they normally react to you. We tell people to take the time while they are waiting for there mones to be more mindful of how they normally interact with people. It does help you pick up on reactions better.

Explains it here better >>> How do I know if I am getting hits !!

However…

Just because they didnt document this information in there journal doesnt mean they didnt do it or they are unaware of whats normal for them.

It cant hurt to start a journal before you start using if you think that will make it easier for you to pick up on hits.

Tisha

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I can only mirror what some of have said here already. My main testing ground is at the Starbucks I have been working at for 3 years. I started using mones just last summer, so that gives me approximately 28 months of knowing how I behave in almost every situation, and how my regulars treat me. I also know at the age of 44, how I come across to most people I have just met, men and women both, whether it be in a professional or social setting. No, I did not document any of this. I keep my journal for fun and to help out an amazing company that has helped improve the lives of so many.

Now, because I did not document this. That does not negate the experiences I have reported on. I rarely if ever post on the subtle things. I see women flicking their hair when talking to me 9 times out of 10, while that can be an IOI she just may have itchy scalp, or hair getting in her sight line. what I will do however is report on that one women who not only flicks her hair but does it non-stop, begins to stutter a bit when talking like a shy school girl who just got introduced to the star quarterback, and her pupils take on the size of a dime…I even report on the opposite end of the spectrum, the people who flip out on me for no reason at all that I can ascribe it to other than the product I’m wearing that day etc.

I’m sure AD has its own testing that it does outside of this forum. Then it has members here like Tisha who it seems does extensive testing using test subjects other than herself…but me. I’m a reporting user, and do my best to provide the most accurate information I can, while keeping it all fun.

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I think what you’re trying to say is that there are some hits ie “vadge flashing” that are obviously out of the ordinary. lol :stuck_out_tongue:

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This is something I’ve rambled about in my journal a few times. There are soooo many other variables that can influence things besides the mones; people can be having an on or off day, you might look good or bad to someone, congruence is always important, so on and so forth.

I think the forum and people’s reports can give you a pretty good, albeit vague idea of what the products do, but in the end they need to be tested out in your own life. You can read this forum for 15 hours a day, but it’s best to really just take a zen attitude, assume that you know nothing about the products and learn by experience.

Here’s another way to think of it that I find helpful.
DISCLAIMER: PHEREMONES ARE NOT DRUGS, AND DON’T EFFECT PEOPLE THIS STRONGLY

Remember when you were younger, and you heard all these stories about drugs and their effects and what they do? (This is probably most true if you’re 30 or younger, and grew up after the Reagan era) I spent most of my childhood being aware of what weed was, and watching That 70’s Show, and all sorts of other stoner movies, and thinking I knew exactly what it was like. And then I smoked weed in high school, and it’s NOTHING like you think it would be.

Really anything in life is like this, you think you know, but until you actually experience it, you can’t be sure. So if reports on this website can’t be endorsed by the FDA and the APA, I’m ok with that, I’ve used the products myself, and they definitely do SOMETHING.

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uhm… yeah LOL

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If a girl flashes you her vadge, its probably not your mones.

She might be wearing “Instant Psychopath”