Products work... but I just can't get the effect I want. Suggestions?

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First I am not unhappy with the products. As with everything new some tunning is required.

However I am not getting the effect I has hoping for so I would like to explore that.

I Have:
A314
Ammo
Turn Up the Heat
Instant Shine
Instant Honesty

At work I used:
2 D A314
2 S Ammo
2 S Instant Shine
Major self-effect from IShine really makes me feel good and alert.
Really like the Scent of Ammo.
As far as I can tell no one acted any different.

Went to gym after work. Same thing no difference. But wasn’t really expecting it there as there is alot of sweat there and I sweat like a pig when I workout.

Showered and re-dosed:
2 D A314
2 S Ammo
2 S IShine
1 S Turn Up The Heat
Went home to wife. No comment even on the new cologne. She seemed kinda depressed and tired. She went to bed early.

Repeated the next day, but did not go to gym. Called wife and suggested we go out to dinner and some Blues. She said Ok. But when I got home she said she didn’t want to go out and acted depressed again.

Saturday. Spent the morning tearing down a garden barn in backyard. Afternoon I cleaned up with the plan of dinner and blues out. (raincheck from last night).
Dosed:
3 D A314
4 S Ammo
2 S IShine
2 S Turn Up The Heat

Went for a motorcycle ride to unwind and stopped by a local strip club to have a drink. The drinks are cheap and the view is nice.
2 of the girls who sat down to chat commented on the nice scent I had on. However I don’t trust complements from dancers. The would tell Quasimoto that he was handsome.

Went home. Wife bailed on going out again. However she did a 3 mil Alzhimers charity walk that morning so I cut her some slack. I told her I wanted to go out and listen to some blues for a while.

Went to a nightclub here to check it out. Had people of all shapes, sizes, ages. Kind of a Disco club with mostly 80-90’s music.

I suffer from Strong Approch Anxiety. Once I am talking to people I am cool but until the ice is broken I am a wall flower.

Had very limited contact with anyone. Left feeling a little depressed.

Here are some thoughts on this:

  1. I am 53, 6’ 2", 250lbs, built like a linebacker, and have a goatee.
    People are generally respectful to me. I may be intimidating to start with, especially if I am not smiling. It may be a bad Idea for me to wear A314.

  2. At my age I suspect that my Phero production may be very low. Ammo, IShine, and Turn Up The Heat may not be strong enough for me. But I don’t was to smell like I poured a bottle of Brut on myself.

  3. While I am actually a teddy bear and very friendly, I may not look like it. Hard to make a bull look like a bunny. I need a Phero that make me more friendly and approchable. CTTM? Or do you make something like “Get your ass over here and say HI” :smiley:

  4. Not sure what to make of the wife. Ether she is just down right now or this stuff is messing with her in a negative way. Remember, at 53 I probably have not been putting out much in the way of pheromones lately.

Regarding the nightclub, I was totally out of my element, so I was probably telegraphing my nervousness which was probably sending a keep away vibe. I should also point out that I an not cheating on my wife. This is about self growth and fixing old issues with me. I intend to do catch and release. I am also trying to fire things up at home.

Well, said my piece. Suggestions?

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Yeah, I do that a lot (as does my cat). The fun is mainly in the chase. I’d hate like hell to actually eat what I pull in!

My only suggestion is to focus on one pheromone product at a time. Get to know it. Play with the dose. Observe carefully. Everyone is different and using 2 or 3 at once entail too many variables to access for a noob (or expert). Once you get a handle on a single product, try another one. Eventually you’ll know enough to optimize and combine products. Until you have a foundation you’re pretty much shooting in the dark. The truth is, not all products work well for all people so you gotta experiment to learn what works for you. For me, about 75% of the products don’t do jack or are even negative. However the right shit at the right moment is friggen hog heaven. And that’s what it’s all about.

Finally realize at their best pheromones merely optimize and enhance the real you. It’s just you but a little bigger and shinier. So subtle signs, not thunder and hellfire. No women raining from the sky or salesmen offering a 50% discount on a new Beamer. Conversations, business deals and socializing will still require as much effort, but people should prove a little more responsive and attentive.

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First off if you had noticed hits could you tell me which product produced them and why ?

Gegogi is correct, you need to start out with one product and work with it to find out what it does for you. It would help answer some of the questions you have below

This is true although 75% is a high high ratio of product failure. That statement surprised me Gegogi I didnt think it was that high for you. There is not a mix here I have not been able to get some effect from not including the putatives so I have a 0 % product failure ratio but we are all different and most people find one or two products that dont fit them or there needs. I would say the product failure ratio for most would be 10%

It may be a bad product fit for you. Use it on its own at different dosages starting with one drop and see if people are more intimidated. If they are you would buffer with socials at a 3 to 1 ratio.

Could be but why are you using 3 products containing Androstenone at the same time. A314 AMMO and Turn Up The Heat all have Androstenone in them. Use one as your base and supplement with socials until you have a handle on them.

Looking to have hot night with wife Turn Up The Heat Instant Shine Instant Honesty

Looking to up you status at work and gym A314 Instant Shine

Looking to have general hit and releases AMMO Instant Honesty Instant Shine

Of course you would do this after trying each one on its own :wink:

Looking approachable is not hard. Just smile :smiley: pheromones will not do all the work for you. They increase socialization. That requires your participation. Read “What pheromones can do and what they cant do” the link is in my signature below. Instant Openness or CTTM can help with increasing approaches as long as your congruent with the mix. But if you dont look friendly and approachable they may have the urge and not react to that urge. A smile is more powerful then you know.

Your wife knows your natural pheromone signature. She has preconceived notions about you. It takes repeated exposure with those closest to us. This is explained in more detail in the above post I told you to read as well

You probably were projecting your nervousness and if your right and your intimidating as well people would be more apt to avoid you. Not only that but (and we all do this) your new to using pheromones and looking at everyone trying to figure out if they are reacting so your behavior would appear un natural. Just set it and forget it and try to go about your day normally. Then at the end of the day look back and think about anything unusual that happened.

Wind makes your pheromones diffuse rapidly. Depending on how long a ride it was and if your application spots were covered you could have been virtually phero free in there. The 2 girls did indicate they could still smell it and while they are dancers and tend to work the room they did zero in on your scent. They could have said anything “My what big forearms you have” My what a sexy goatee" But they hit on the scent.

So my advice would be to take your time. pheromone use is as much about the journey as it is the destination. Work with one at a time. Pay attention to peoples body language, Behavior changes in those you know and of course smile smile smile. If you need them to approach make yourself approachable.

You can do this, sometimes it just takes practice. But pheromones really do work :wink:

Oh and reps for giving such a detailed accounting of what you did. It helps us help you. Most people just post “I used this or that and it didnt work”

Tisha

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i’m trying to think of a pheromone product, Androtics or otherwise that just didn’t work for me. i know athena didn’t do jack for me the first time so i went and bought it again. fool me once, shame on me. fool me twice, shame on you.

i tried quite a few of the products at LS, for me the only thing that i recognize as “working” for me was Pheros cologne by i think DrSmellthis , sorry it’s been a few years Doc, but your pheros cologne was a quality product that consistently generated feedback from men and women. i’d like to have another bottle or ten if i didn’t have to buy it from the owner of that website. the edge , chikara and impi were very erratic and i attributed most of the response to a unique “non-commercial” scent rather than any pheromone content.

i forgot Scent of Eros, i don’t want that one to be added to the list of products that failed to generate a response.

from here, i think the only thing i have doubts about are the putatives, i’ve tried just about everything in the commercial line and several of the experimones and a few of the MX’s and i realize that they may be there for another reason , i.e. scent or placebo. i haven’t tried enough of the putatives enough times to yay or nay them though.

i guess what i’m trying to say is that if you recognize that “it’s more you than pheromones” and spend a bit of time experimenting with the base molecules from one side of the spectrum to the other, you will find that they work quite well.

if i was a “1. I am 53, 6’ 2", 250lbs, built like a linebacker, and have a goatee.” i would be using only the smallest amount of -none and have had a bath in -Androstenol’s and TAA before i walked into the room. motorcycle rides are the end of the pheros, been there done that.

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Thank you all for your useful feedback. It looks like I need to do some more research and tuning.
Instant Shine is my favorite, especially for the Self-effect. I only got it as a Togo sample with my order but now I will have to get a full bottle.
I am working up an order. Can’t order til later in the week as I (Doh) left my card in the ATM machine so I had to cancel it and have another one sent out.
I would appreciate some suggestions on what to order.

Here is what I have:
A314 Drops
Ammo 1X Spray
Turn Up the Heat 1X Spray
Instant Shine 1X Sample Togo Spray
Instant Honesty 1X Sample Togo Spray

Considerations:
Definately Instant Shine. 1X or 2X?
Ammo 2X?
Come Talk To Me Mix 2?

Something experimental or mixed?
Note: I am 53 so my pheromone levels are probably very low.

I am afraid that with the Ammo 1X I will have to put on so much I will reek of cologne.

I definatly am looking for pheromones that will make be seem friendly and approachable.

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IS is definetely one of my favorites. my next order will probably just be straight up TAA at 50mcg rather than IS at 1x or 2x.

even at 53 i don’t think Ammo is the friendly and approachable type. try out that CTTM 2 mix for that and let us know how it goes.

i love my Ammo as a phero product and i like it as a cologne. straight up Ammo is very strong on me, scent wise. i can’t use more than one spray without feeling like i am doing a bit too much advertising. i’m really liking the ammo scent from the ammo test pack, much more subtle and clean smelling on me.

you might get Heavy Ammo and just use one spray on your chest or maybe split it half on L&R sides of your neck to start. if i spray mine on the front of my neck it gets to my nose too quickly and the self effects for me are much like that extra cup of coffee i shouldn’t have had.

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yeah i don’t think ammo is the product for you if you want to seem friendly. be especially careful not to wear it to the gym. the extra body heat and your own pheromones will amplify the -none. and lordy don’t spray -none in your armpits.

from the mixes you are using it sounds like your trying to tell the pheromones what to do and it doesn’t work like that. decide what you want to feel/seem like to other people that day and focus in on those.

If you need to be the authority figure use some A314

If you want to be more approchable, Use IS(doses that are too high might give you a headache so be mindful of that, start low and work up).

If you want people to feel like they’ve known you forever and in that comfort maybe say things they wouldn’t normally say, use Instant Honesty

If you are trying to get looks from your wife or other females test out the two -none products you have, Ammo and Turn Up The Heat.(start at low doses and work up with these)

CTTM 2 has been credited as a “get over here and open your mouth” sort of mix. I would suggest investing either that or Instant Openness to make more people want to come over and chat. Instant Honesty works similarly, but in a different way. not usually so light hearted.

I back up what everyone before me has said too. try them out individually first, and then put them together. Obviously you’ll do what you want anyway, but this would put you in control of what the phero’s do specifically for you more quickly than haphazard testing.

good luck!

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I have a massive bone-yard of failed products from the last 5 years! MAny from both LS and AD. Your statement, “there is not a mix here I have not been able to get some effect,” is somewhat true for me however I don’t consider “some effect” even remotely a success. Some outright did little or nothing for me (IS, Chikara & IMPI). A few created mainly negative outcomes–I was better off with no pheromones (Molecule F). There were those that worked but were simply not me–wrong vibe. Heck some smelled so bad I couldn’t stand to wear them–not worth the suffering for whatever they brought (EOW, The Edge Heat, Alter Ego). And some worked okay but were poor values (use purer chemset or experimones products instead). And I tried all sorts of doses and combos. Most of the now sit bottles half empty.

I have a dozen or so togo putatives and only a handful I was able to finagle a reaction outta. In fairness, the amounts were too small to do any serious testing (a couple doses and it was over) and subsequently left me scratching my head. Many reminded me of sweaty feet and that was about it.

So, yeah, the rejects cover my dresser top like trophies. Oddly, once in a while I revisit a failed product and find a new life for it. WAGG is among the few I disliked as a standalone but came to like it when coupled with A314 or NPA. I hate the smell of The Edge Heat, but it smells similar to Spaceland and may prove useful at a Graceful Dead fest if I ever decided I like unshaved women.

With all that said, I love A314, PheroProof, Scent of Eros, NPA, The Edge, Ammo, Instant Female Magic, TAA spray and chemset or experimone versions of A-1, androstenone, androstanone, A&B androstenol and androsterone. I use Spaceland but ain’t too fond of the scent. Love the effect so I grin 'n bare it.

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Gegogi,

Why do you like TAA but dislike IS? could you elaborate on that a little?

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I tried IS 1X and 2X and responses were either too subtle, invisible or nonexistent. I know folks rave about it so I figure my body chemistry and/or persona somehow cancel it out. MAybe it’s the buffers it uses as I realize IS’s main pheromone component is TAA. Whatever, plain TAA spray, 5 or 6 zaps, caused obvious and very upbeat reactions and was a damn good time. Also works great with my other favs like Ammo, Pheroproof, A314, etc. The only neg about TAA spray is it needs a refresh avery hour or so. I also have TAA oil but aren’t so wild about it. The effects are too subtle albeit longer lasting.