I have a question for the the so called experts or experienced users with strong knowledge as I am unsure if it can be answered.
I hear a lot about how older users can use more none due to younger people already producing a lot of none so it becomes easier to OD.
However almost all the none products applied in the regular amount supposedly would be the equivalent application of dozens or a 100 times the amount of none produced by the most sweaty alpha man.
Wouldnt this mean that if an older person applies the reccomended drops he will have 100 times the regular amount and if a younger person applies it he will have at most 101 times the regular amount.
so anyone saying an older guy could use 4 or 5 drops of a product while a young person would overdose on 1 or 2 seems to make no sense.
Could anyone enlighten me regarding why this theory even makes sense or do pple just mention cause it sounds like it could be plausible?
To understand this theory you need to know how much Androstenone a person makes.
Where exactly are you getting your “100 times” numbers from ?
This is untrue first of all.
Still on the premise of the above incorrect numbers if a young man used 1 drop of Androstenone and it gave him 100 times more Androstenone then a normal sweaty man and a older man makes say 30% less Androstenone then a younger man then the older man would be wearing 70 times the Androstenone of a normal sweaty man. But again these numbers are wrong because the original number is wrong.
It makes perfect sense and its scientifically proven that men make less testosterone as they age. Therefore they make less Androstenone. We are all different and are all in different fitness and health levels but the general guide line is that older men over 40 can wear a little more Androstenone without the OD effect then younger men who make more testosterone.
No one said 100 times more and it is always stressed that each person is a individual and can have a different dosage. Older guys may need to look beyond the recommend dosage at times to find theirs.
Tisha
PS I am not a “so called” expert. pheromones are still in exploration and scientifically we learn more and more about them everyday. But I am a Experienced User. Trained by the experts
Trisha do people naturally produce the same amount of none as you can get out of 1 or 2 sprays of turn up the heat or is 2.5 mcg - 5 mcg worth of none above what the sweaty alpha man would produce?
ok lets say its a dozen times. I think we already know one drop of the popular pheremones is supposed to be multiple times a regular persons production.
All sweaty men are different in age health race ect ect They all produce different amounts of Androstenone so I can not tell you that 1 to 2 sprays is **% more then the sweaty guy.
2.5 mcg is a relatively small amount of Androstenone. Probably within the range of 5% more then your average stinky guy
That is like asking how much fat is in a persons body. Those numbers are not given because we are all individuals. But looking at a person who is big a expert could give a range.
Here read this and it should help you better understand. Remember Androstenone production is related to testosterone/hormone production.
The bottom section about aging explains that even with testosterone production they can give you set numbers. While its proven you make less we are all different so they cant say by how much. That is why its a General guideline and not a specific dosage we suggest.
Your talking units now which you didnt mention in your first post. I was talking percentages.
Here is where the problem lies. EVERYONE makes a different amount of “units” of Androstenone depending on several factors. Your Health, Your weight, Your age, Your race, Your diet, Your muscle structure. You cant give a number in units that will fit any one person. You can give ranges and percentages to use as guidelines but thats it. Its the same for women and copulins. Pheromones are not a one size fits all type of product which is why Androtics sells them in different ranges.
After the age of 30 men lose 2% a year of there testosterone production. This is medically proven. Androstenone is derived from Testosterone. If you produce less Testosterone you produce less Androstenone.
You can not give estimates of how much more Androstenone NPA has then a normal male. All normal males are different. It could range from 5% to 25% depending on who you are.
What if you take testosterone for athletic purposes. I personally do not take it but know older people who take it and would want to know if this would have a effect. Does the sweat become more concentrated after this type of effect?
well supposedly i heard one drop of NPA or other none pheromones are multiples times the amount of none any human could produce.
I really am not sure so it would be good to get more info.
I do understand what you are saying about everyone having different amount, however I am talking about the highest amount that a human could possibly produce.
Supposedly many products have amounts way higher than a human could produce, which makes me wonder about the younger/older man wearing none theory.
Of course it would be good if we have some of the other experts give their perpective on this issue.
Yes you would have more testosterone in your body therefore you would make more anone and subsequently expel it from your body. But no number can be given. You would need to see a doctor to have him test you and tell you what range in normal for you.
Think about it this way.
We all know when we take medicine the doctor gives us a dosage which he determines by your age weight and health conditions. It is just a guideline though. Unless blood tests are performed he cant give you the exact numbers and those numbers are going to be different for everyone.
Its the same with mones. Therefore we give you guidelines to use and not exact unit dosages.
They know this how ? They tested every human male ? You do realize more is not better with pheromones. Its the dosage that works for you that determines what your range is. So if you know you can use 10mcg of Androstenone and see results then you can use this as a guideline on any product you use which discloses the amount of Androstenone in there product. Sure sometimes its a pain in the ass to find that dosage but once you have it you know and it doesn’t matter how much more your making the the average sweaty male.
Going back to your original question. Lets look at it this way with the unit example you gave.
If as you say NPA is 100 units more Androstenone then the average man makes.
A young man makes 1000 units of Androstenone a day
A man over 40 makes 800 units of Androstenone a day (proven by testosterone production)
You OD at 1600 units, (again different for everyone) Who can wear more ?
This is just to simply explain the answer to your original questions of why can older men wear more. The numbers are made up to illustrate this.
MarkL is here maybe he can shed some light on this. He is a expert in my opinion.
a product 100 times 100 units would be 10000 units
so a young man would have 10100
a older man with 30% less production would wearing that would have 10070.
UK clubber u are not counting using percentages. when u wear a product it will just give u that particular amount of none, it will not multiply your none.
sorry mark L. if u around we may be srewing up the math but what we are after is about the amount on none in most products compared to what is possible for a natural man,
lol sorry :o . Reps for the advice and as a peace offering.
I was confused about this at first and I think it’s because many sites on the internet that sell pheromones (real or fake) always seem to start there pitch with something like “BRAND NEW PHEROMONE PRODUCT THAT WILL HAVE WOMAN INSTANTLY SEDUCE YOU” then they go on to say something like “We all naturally produce pheromones blah blah blah” then to prevent themselves from contradicting themselves and to reinforce the original statement they go on to say “the reason our product works better than your natural pheromones is because our product is 100x what the average man produces.”
Your exactly right and its this misinformaton that confuses alot of people and turns them off to pheromones. They think its some kind of magic and it takes more work then that. For some people the work is worth it for others it isnt.
Its ok about the R wildfRower LOL
Oh look nbully is here to. The Calvary, another expert IMO
if u wana know how much more pheremones are in a couple of drops of popular pheremones compared with a normal humans production, we will have to have an expert comment on this.
Actually it may be possible that some a couple of drops of some products is equivalent to dozens of times a humans possible productions as a humans production really aint that much.
I thinks pple like me and Tish will stop any speculation before geting confirmations about the exact possible numbers regarding the out of none from a human.
I personally dont want to to add to any misinformation out there. Pple tend to belive anything nowdays
Here you go this is a good read to help you understand the difference between older and younger as well as ranges. This is just a preview of the book you should buy it if your interested.
Sorry to butt in when you’re looking for experts with numerical data, but:
The fact that older men can wear much higher quantities of Androstenone than younger men without negative effect is documented by the experience of many here on the forum. It’s a fact, and if it doesn’t square with some theory then the theory should be adjusted, because it is unlikely Mother Nature will change to accomodate the theory.
*]It is likely that there is more than total pheromone content at play in the observed differenence in reactions to old and younger men wearing Androstenone. In virtually every culture of the world, young men are perceived as the most violent and dangerous segment of society. This perception may affect the interpretation of a given Androstenone signature without any variation in total quantity of pheromone present.
