My best input. As you can see, I am a newbie too. One who came to pheromones as a solution to a “woman” problem like yours. Let me ask you. How bad do you feel about it? I ask because the degree of “badness” you feel about it will determine how far you are willing to go to change your situation. It has been well said here that pheromones are 10% whereas you, and your personality comprise 90% of the problem/solution (I am paraphrasing here but that’s the gist of it). I have spent about $250 on pheromones and I believe they are helping some, as in they got my foot back in the door in order to give me another shot. HOWEVER, I still have the problem of my personality having the ability to create a strong enough attraction to get this lady to see me as more than a ‘friend’ (ugh…the kiss of death). First go read this post by Tisha, one of our lovely moderators: What pheromones can and can't do: realistic expectations for newcomers While I am not encouraging you to lose interest in pheromones, I would also encourage you to start re-educating and re-programing yourself (as I am doing currently) and I recommend you google “double your dating catalogue” and invest in one of the courses listed there. I am currently working with one called Deep Inner Game which I recommend as a good starting point, and I have another called Body Language on the way. It requires a strong commitment to change. How bad are you hurting? This will determine your motivation. When you get your inner game in order, pheromones will dramatically enhance this. If you don’t, I guarantee you more hurt and failure. Thats my two cents. Seraphim