Thank you! But, I have to ask, why would you mix the consumer line products in a bottle, when you could just layer them?
Also I want to reassert that I’m NOT advocating new users to mix the pheromones I described. I simply wanted to explain the various ingredients in the different products of the “Instant” line, so you could get a general idea of what to expect when using those products. I STRONGLY recommend sticking to whats tried and true instead of jumping to the experimone products, unless you are very experienced.
It’s a pheromone research forum. And as good as guides can be. Unfortunately you yourself may have been tainted already. And I’m not saying that its aterrible thing or something that will be detriment to your understanding of the uses of pheromones. But I advocate open mind researching because I’ve fallen under both categories.
When I was new I wanted to learn everything and anything that there could possibly be to learn.
While for the majority of the time, I had similar results from other members out there, I found that I had varying effects with certain products and based on interaction with people. My perception was clouded by my research, only now that I look back on results I was getting did I know that I learned something new and I was totally focusing on one subject and a certain responses to validate other people’s experiences. While most of them came true, I accidentally learned the value of an open mind when I sprayed a mix I composited and was totally not what I thought it was (one was Akuto and one was Neroli). Did I experience some IOI’s that night that just really surprised me.
I understand your concern and thats a thought that has already crossed my mind many times. I’d like to think I’m a pretty open minded person, and hopefully I can get unbiased results on my own, but a complete lack of bias is hard to come by. I have been taking mental notes of what kind of reactions I get from different people WITHOUT pheromones, so hopefully I’ll come across some noticeable differences when I start using them later today. The main reason I made this guide is because I was learning as much as I could through my own research and typing into a wordpad for personal use, mainly to help me decide which products to try first. When I got to where my information is now, I realized I had the makings of a decent guide(ideally) so I decided to make a thread for new users like my brother and I, so that we could have a good reference point.
I know there are many members here that composite. Is that the same as dilluting to a desired effect Steve? I know we had this conversation before and it gets complicated, but purely from your experiences. Does having a composited mix negate some of the effects. It seems to make sense because I was reading some posts about how skin applications and composite mixes give varying results.
I’m not saying that your guide is bad or its misinformation, but I just wanted to point out that any guide can mislead people no matter how well-written or well-intentioned.
I understand what you mean. I wasnt trying to sound defensive. I honestly appreciate all of these comments as they help me to improve the framework I’ve brought forth. If I sounded hostile or angry in any way, it was a mere miscommunication of intentions, since emotions are sometimes hard to convey through typing. I sincerely mean it when I say, I WANT constructive criticism from guys like you.
Oh I know your intentions were admirable and you should be commended. The effort shows just how much you learned in such a short period. I’m not knocking you in any way, I’m just explaining to you and other members why these types of lists will never become sticky and how they actually impede the research of the forum.
That’s why Snooks Big Book of Mones is the only guide in the stickies and it simply covers Instant line products and does not cover anything experimental . Again I must reemphasize that no offense is implied or intended but your guide has some major flaws to it. It’s not a biggie, because if I did one it would have the same flaws. The major flaw is that every single persons results will be different! Every single person needs to do their own research before delving into serious experimenting. The next thing you know some new guy thinks he is an expert because he read a very limited guide, regardless of who wrote it.
I can guarantee you that 90% of the users on this forum THINK they are experienced, but I can assure you many make the Pheromone Detective squad by the skin of their teeth. We give them that chance to learn. Members like tacitus, PheroQuark and Dancing Joker are the real experts. Pay close notice that I am not on that list. I still have a lot to learn. We all have a lot to learn. A guide will only hinder that learning process.
Don’t let Steve’s humbleness fool you either. He’s up there when it comes to knowledgable information that he disseminates in a responsible manner. If he don’t know, he’ll simply tell you.
I get what you’re saying. I really appreciate all the time you just put into making such a great response. I guess my impatience got the best of me while I was waiting for my products. But lucky for me, they got here in less than 2 days! I’m actually in the process of starting my own field tests today. I hope that I can contribute useful info to this study. I would never knowingly hinder the research behind androtics, but you make a very valid point in how it can do so. To much biased info for new users, correct? I believe you’re right about that. I just never really thought about it like that.
But seriously, I appreciate the response. I mean that, and I know you’re right. I would assume you believe journals to be more productive towards the cause, correct? I planned on following foneguy9’s example, as he’s another new user who seems to be doing a really great job.
If there are any mistakes in this post, I’m sorry but I typed it on my blackberry.
It’s always great to have members with good intentions, especially new ones. I have no doubt you will be a good reporter and will have great contributions to the community.
You’re doing a GREAT job too. Yes though, journals and reporting are the best way you can report. You are 100% right on what I was saying. It’s all good my friend. I thought you did a terrific job and appreciated it. I just wanted to remind you and others how important research and a clean slate is when you test a new molecule
Wow! I think Mharris just gave me an award??? I just got a pm from him saying that this post "is amongst the winners of this cycle time topic nomination contest."
Though I’m not QUITE sure if that means something in particular, I still feel pretty honored that I got the message and the reputation points from him. So to Mharris, THANK YOU!!! To anyone else who knows something about the contest(?), I would love to hear your input. Otherwise I’ll just browse the forums on the subject tomorrow. But, its been a long day, so I’m signing out.
It’s a good idea in concept but somewhat misleading. I prefer not to look at it as mcg’s of mones per dollar, but rather in the degree of positive change in your life you get for those dollars.
For example, while A314 as a standalone doesn’t get me the same number of attraction hits that I get with Ammo, or cough 301…but it DOES get me some attraction. On top of that between the raise I got and the average increase in sales I’ve noticed since I started using A314, the cost for a five month supply is covered in a week (that’s based on the difference, not the total lol) So yeah a hundred bucks invested for a bottle that lasts several months paying for itself every week is a good perspective to look at it from.
As for attraction and seduction. Before I started using AD I would close at a 70% success rate and with a 6 hour time window. Now while I’ve tried many mixes with varying degree’s of success there’s the old reliable mix of A314/Ammo/Shine…using the above formula my usual mix comes out to.
A314 3 Drops = approximately 1 dollar
Ammo 2 Sprays = .50 cents Instant Shine 2 sprays =.40 cents
So that’s less than two bucks for a night of gaming
Now using that particular mix I enjoy about a 10% increase in my success rate and close an average of 1-2 hours faster (which means spending less money on beers and drinks) and I get more compliance including the girl paying for a round or two…even one drink in a bar or club is going to cost twice as much as the investment in this case. So conservatively one beer will pay for the mones for the night, two is “profit”, closing one girl extra of every ten I open and doing so saving two hours of time…the value is easily ten times the cost.
Aww, automated? I was all excited. So whats up with him not posting recently? Maybe he’s hard at work on some new products for us!
Actually I think that this guide helps to PROMOTE A314, since initially people just see a $109 price tag and see that everything else costs half of that or below(in normal strength). In this guide, you see that A314 is double the value of ammo, and has similar value to Instant Honesty, or Jerk, etc.
But I really liked your calculation of cost per spray. I added that in just now.
Actually, does more good than harm…While I don’t know what the Androtics Mission statement is. For skeptics like me, it reinforces my initial opinion that censorship is not occurring, promotes open communication and there-by is an amazing marketing tool !!!
Being analytical, I wanted to know the differences between your various product offerings. Some product offerings such as Alpha A314 and Turn Up The Heat, even lack the Technical section found in other product offerings.
Does your company mission statement also prohibit you from posting all the “molecules” for all of your product offerings? While I can understand the argument of “trade secrets”, the ability to find new and retain your existing customers, far outweighs.
Androtics has by far the best marketing advantage by providing independent consumer information about Pheromones, money back and even double money back; yea some will take advantage, that for skeptics like me mostly part confirm that your “stuff” isn’t just snake oil. In my opinion, perhaps a better response would be to reiterate why Androtic, finds that chemical harmful.
Single molecule testing of various known molecules is the only thing that has allowed me to use mones effectively. The only thing I learned from my initial purchase of ammo was that If I use even one spray of -mones that people will avoid me (OD) or distrust me.
A knowledge of individual molecules is critical for personally-apropriate buffering of mixes containing androstenone. One-size-fits-all none-based products will either be properly buffered for younger people or older people or will switch between the two groups without warning as androtics changes the mix.
It’d be nice if androtics explicitly addressed that issue for any new users buying a none mix. Like at checkout and again with a letter sent with their product. Maybe they could suggest buying some sort of buffer with it to calibrate the mix, and list several potential buffers. DHEA would work well for the purpose, ( I strongly prefer A-1 but androtics clearly doesn’t.) DHEA is dirt cheap, safe as a mone, and can be purchased from a supplement store and mixed by hand, if a person has a little time and a little money. They should also warn that none mixes are far more effective on women over the age of 25.
I’d like to hear an explanation of how adding alcohol to a mix “harms the molecules.” At face value, this makes no sense but I’m willing to listen.
. Again I must reemphasize that no offense is implied or intended but your guide has some major flaws to it. It’s not a biggie, because if I did one it would have the same flaws. The major flaw is that every single persons results will be different! Every single person needs to do their own research before delving into serious experimenting. The next thing you know some new guy thinks he is an expert because he read a very limited guide, regardless of who wrote it.
