never heard of steele but i tried several of jeffries products, spent hundreds, didn’t really get very far. anybody have any experience with jeffries stuff?
David DeAngelo did an interview with R. Don Steele. Steele seemed to be mostly about assertiveness training.
RJ… He uses NLP and teaches it. I’ve heard criticisms from a pickup trainer I respect (Matt K. with DiCarlo Drills) that few people get results using only Speed Seduction techniques. Don’t have enough personal experience to tell.
He more than likely had a touch of something like Asperger’s, which would have made the likelihood of attracting all but the most repulsive of the opposite sex pretty much an impossibility.
I feel bad about this whole thing and how badly it reflects on society at large and what it has now come to. Not to say how badly now it reflects on the whole pick-up industry.
I can sympathise for everyone involved in this terrible incident - from the killer, to the victims, to all their family and friends. While I don’t condone what the guy did, I do feel sorry for him and guys in his situation where help is beyond reach. I equally feel for the victims, including the killer, and all their families.
It was kind of eerie reading this guy’s diary. I could relate to so much he said. Relax, folks, I’m not gonna go off like that!! But there have been times in my life when I felt that same sense of alienation and resentment. I sometimes wonder why this kind of thing doesn’t happen more often in our society.
Without talking to the man face-to-face (no longer and option), it is hard to know if Holmes was right that he had Asperger’s or something. He held down a decent job and saved a quarter million dollars. He wasn’t completely outta touch with reality. Too bad he didn’t have any closer friends. Too bad he didn’t just hire himself a pretty young escort. There are a lot of depressed men who couldn’t afford that. Someone is gonna tell me that it isn’t the same when you pay for it, but it sure beats the hell outta going on a killing spree! Human touch can drain the rage.
I have read and re-read some of R. Don Steele’s books. Younger Women volumes one and two are both good and so is his Body Language book. Steele isn’t my favorite PUA but I learned things from him. I do, however, pick up a certain hostility from Steele. More than once it has rubbed off on me and done more harm than good. That is why I like some of the other PUAs better. The 150 page Body Language book may be his best work.
All men so far. I wish a woman would comment on this thread…
It wasn’t that long ago that people knew their neighbors. People went to church on Sunday. Men joined the Freemasons or the Knights of Columbus and women joined the Women’s Club. I don’t want to overly romanticize the past. They had different problems back then, but it was more difficult to be left alone, looping through unrealistic feelings of desperation, failure and loathing. The things that kept us linked to the community, from Sunday school to fraternal organizations, have gone out of style. It is easy to fall into a routine where the only folks we talk to are so similar to ourselves and constrained by political correctness that we fail to get the perspective we need when we are just plain frustrated and stuck. George Sodini apparently had no one to turn to but the PUA community and that left him feeling even more of an angry failure. There is a long discussion on Roissy about the value of the PUA community. If this man had successfully learned some game this disaster might have been avoided. I tend to agree with that. Whatever helps the sexes to be less estranged and more attracted to each other is something I am in favor of. Including pheromones, of course! But that still leaves the problem of alienation from the human community. To keep our lives in perspective we need contact with other humans who are different from us, opposite sex, different generations, much richer or poorer, and so forth. Without this we lose our place, our sense of value and belonging. But nobody wants to be bothered. It is easier to call someone a stalker or a weirdo than to listen to what he has to say. And we all lose. We are more ignorant than we know.
There are an awful lot of posts on other message boards. Here is one that sticks in my mind from another forum.
Any PUA material that doesn’t stress GETTING A LIFE AND HAVING SOMETHING TO BE PASSIONATE ABOUT isn’t really worth much in my opinion for the above reason
You can’t pick up girls if that is all you do (no friends, no hobbies, no passions = no life)
Sodini’s problem was not that he couldn’t get laid - getting laid probably wouldn’t have helped him (At least with an escort). Sodini’s problem was that of social isolation - he didn’t feel like he was part of the human race (part of any social community) and that makes a moment of anger a far, far more dangerous thing.
The slant in all the news articles is terrible…
They make the murderer into the victim. Some of the articles are written so that you sympathize with the murderer.
Bottom line: These murders were a HATE CRIME against women.