I can understand that AndroticsDirect wants to protect its findings in about putative pheromones.
Is there a good reason why you don’t file patents for those substances and instead try to keep them secret?
Patents would other to know the substances and therefore do better research with them.
Patents would also provide better protection as someone with enough chemical expertise is probably still able to figure out the content of a spray if he is willing to pay a bit of money for a biochemist to do tests.
There’s quite a few reasons. First being that you can not patent many things. Second is that the advantage of putatives not having their chemical names allows us to have more clear results and allows for more control-based testing. Finally, patents reveal your process/materials since they are public knowledge - so by not patenting each putative we keep their identities protected until we are ready to publish information and research is completed.
What advantage would there be to revealing the chemical names of the putatives other than benefitting those who do not put in the research we all have?
There are always two questions:
- What does this chemical do?
- Why does it what it does?
I think that reading up on what the pheromones regulate when they exist as hormones in the body might be informing.
So, you basically plan to publish the identities in future?
Not everyone benefit from research by selling products. Scientists benefit from writing publishable papers with require chemical names.
Having a chemical name allows user to search the scientific literature to find known interactions of the chemicals with other chemicals.
There might be clinical trials that involved injecting the chemical with produced data on adverse effects. Maybe there no trial for the specific chemical but for a derivative.
In academia there are ethical standards that you tell subjects about possible adverse effects of drugs that you give them.
Of course that means that people will have preconceived notion of the substance but informed consent is still a widely held ideal.
I’m not saying that you have to do the research on adverse effects yourself, but I think it would be nice to allow others to do it.
You have people on this forum who ask whether pheromones are safe to use during pregnancy.
Mothers who are in that situation might like the ability to look up whether a pheromones acts as hormone in the body to regulate some part of the process of pregnancy.
This has become more about theory than it is an announcement or store feedback, so I’m moving it to theory.
Also, you’re asking a lot of questions I literally can’t answer. Would be publish the identity of the putatives? No idea. But I don’t think there’s a valid reason for us to say what they are while in the middle of how we do our research. We do things our own way, so trying to apply anything about ‘academia’, etc. isn’t going to make much sense.
ChristianK AD is a research and development company not a scientific research company. Yes pheromones are a science and many members here are interested in that science. We talk about that science and share information on it. I am sure some of the information that AD discovers on various putatives is helpful to the scientific community in that it indicates certain molecules are indeed signaling and need further investigation in a more controlled setting. Its easy enough for a scientist involved in pheromones to find out what a putative is if the need arises.
Basically here they are doing product research. What works and how it works best to develop the best products for attraction, status, conversation, mood enhancement, sexual enjoyment, focus Etc Etc. No where have they ever claimed to be anything else.
Yes you do and member give there opinion reminding them that we are not doctors and they should speak to there doctor before using them. AD is not doing medical research.
I am sure if they decide to patent a formula they will have to but I dont think they would publish in the way your referring to. No offense to AD but I dont think we will ever see them published in the medical or scientific journals at least not from the data collected in here. They could be doing testing outside of this forum that could be published though.
Even if they did we still would not know the identity of the putatives.
For instance suppose they come across a great formula that consists of 3 Numbered putatives. When they patent or publish they would just use the chemical name not the P# we use in testing so you would still not know which chemical went with which putative #.
If Thomas Edison revealed his methods before he revealed his inventions he wouldn’t be the father of invention.
Bottom line… While it may be interesting and helpful to members for them to reveal the chemical names of some things it would be even more interesting and helpful to there competitors. Pheromone marketing is a dog eat dog world.
If those competitors want to research let them fund it themselves and do there own.
Tisha
I just want to add one more thing. Christian I completely understand where you are coming from and actually have the same concerns. I’m not sure if AD does a great job of posting disclaimers for health. Honestly some of these putatives seem to have more self effects then I think are suppose to be found in pheromones.
What I have learned from the putatives from reading old postings is that they are part of a double blind test. Many times the people that work for AD don’t know what the putatives are. This keeps the testing, even though not scientific, a little cleaner.
I don’t get self-effects 
If you don’t know what you are taking you can’t ask a doctor for possible side effects of the thing you are taking.
Hi Christian…
Found this at the store:
All ExperiMones are also unique, in that they are only pheromone products sold today that use only the most expensive pheromones synthesized here in the US. Due to their quality and convenient dosing per spray, many consider ExperiMones to be the only true research series of products.
Thanks for pointing out the differences for research!!! 
With most of the consumer products the members do know whats basically in them and we talk about it all over the forum. A314 is the only exception because there are so many putatives in it. 80% of it is arone though and the other putatives are just trace.
The advanced section is not for the novice user but for the experienced user willing to do blind testing. If your uncertain or dont feel comfortable with this kind of testing then you shouldn’t use the advanced products.
Tisha
With the consumer products I understand your stance as they are probably nothing that can be effectively protected via patents.
I would however guess that you could protect your company knowledge about putatives via patents. Patents would give you a tool to defend yourself if one of your competitors would pay a few thousands to get a chemical analysis to duplicate your protects.
At it would give customers the ability to know what in the product.
Yes, I will probably go with those ExperiMones where I know what inside.
Actually no it wouldn’t, not with a forum full of people testing them and reporting on them. Part of the knowledge as to what these putatives do comes from the testers in the forum. If they told you what it was then a few things would happen.
The test wouldn’t be blind and the results skewed.
People could buy the same putative elsewhere because you cant patent single pheromones, every human makes them naturally. Only pheromones used in something you create like a pheromones cologne or mix can be patented.
Competitors could just look in the forum to discover information needed to use those putatives in there own mixes.
Even with patents it would be a battle to stop other companies from using those putatives using up all there time and resources. EROX has the patent on A1 and EST used in cologne or perfume base. ( not the single pheromones they couldnt get that) However there are numerous companies online who blatantly ignore or find loop holes and use it in there products.
Patents are only good for a short period of time and once they expire its free reign.
I understand how you feel in wanting to know, Many of us would like to know as well but I dont think patenting is a viable solution for them.
Tisha
The thing I found dumb about this is, why can’t we patent a chemical? If Monsanto gets to patent a gene, why can’t we get a chemical?
(not saying you or your post is dumb, I’m just talking about the concept of patenting)
Sometimes its too close of a synthesis to the real thing I suppose. I don’t know, I don’t handle the patents or the science (other than making product and customizing orders) so I’m limited in my knowledge of patent law of chemicals.
The issue is that when you form a patent you basically tell people how to find loop holes and make it themselves. Often when you are urged to patent its because people are looking for the reveal.