Hello all. I apologize if this has been addressed but I’ve been searching threads for it to no avail.
I would just like to know if having colognes on helps ‘carry’ the -mones to the persons senses?
I think I’ve seen things mentioned along these lines but nothing definitive.
Thanks.
Tell me if you see how this relates to cologne and mones. Google the unfamiliar terms. Wikipedia may help.
http://www.pheromonetalk.com/darpas-gecko-inspired-gloves-let-anyone-69095.html
Gorchfock, Vanadium or Logos may have some insights. Some fragrances can help mones. Some can hinder (possibly, depends the product). The cologne may be fixed for time extension vs. diffusion. Molecules have physical mass. You don’t want heavy molecular weights holding down mones. Any lipids (lotions, etc.) will hold -enone. None embeds itself in pig fat (boar taint). Smells awful when cooked. You don’t want “heavy” (at the atomic level) cologne molecules holding down lighter, volatile mones.
I guess I’ll take that as a yes.
Is this for pheros generally or just for AD products?
Because, unless you get them unscented, the Neroli, Akuto and other AD scent packages are enough to ensure decent diffusion without a cologne added. You don’t need a great deal of scent to ensure decent diffusion.
However, diffusion does fade as time/breakdown takes its toll, so a little cologne or a topup will help you back to near-full diffusion and it will help cover any breakdown stink too.
The improvement you can get by adding a little scent is probably most marked with some competitors unscented oil products - which tend to be rather ineffective till you add a few drops of cologne - then they start diffusing/projecting like never before and hits change from sparse and up-close to something much more usable amongst people.
Then you have the other little matter of how a good cologne can be a very attractive thing in itself and when its the right scent for the right lady gets combined with the right pheros - Well, there have been a few occasions when I’ve barely got out of the toilet after application before being jumped! 
Thanks mobocaster.
The reason I ask is this:
I imagine that if a girl smells a nice scent on me, she will be more inclined to intentionally smell me because it is so appealing right? Thus, she would be huffing up bigger whiffs of the pheromones..
What do you think?
No. Not really. It’s very counterintuitive. Science often is. I couldn’t say the newer Instant Shines use stealth diffusion. I don’t know. I know they project 10-20 feet and have virtually no scent. At 4-8 sprays of the 2X TOGO. Fragrance is sometimes, but not always, a linear function of diffusion and product power.
Strong cologne or excessive mcg per spray is actually a bit of a crutch for antiquated chemical technology. Read my report on Shine. It’s very diffusive with little scent. I am pretty sure I know how it works. But it isn’t helping any cause to lay that out in detail.
If you need excessive cologne or mcg per spray, the product isn’t designed well. FF21 / AMMO you rarely need more than that. Excess won’t benefit you. It will make people sneeze and upset allergies.
I’m not saying don’t use cologne. I’m saying when testing putatives, for example, it can help or hurt. Testing experimentals with cologne is frowned upon. I like stealth. Sometimes colognes don’t sit well with allergic types.
It depends a lot on the individual concerned and the situation. It can work like that for some and a few will respond very strongly to your scent but for the most part, its not a reason to overload on scent as it won’t help that much for most women. One of the strongest scent responses I’ve ever had only involved the tiniest quantity of pretty light cologne but she still “sniffed” me from crotch to throat before getting right in my face and planting a kiss on me!
MMD is right, Stealth Diffusion does indeed work very well and is so far the best implementation I’ve yet seen of the crop of newer “scentless” diffusion products, so scent isn’t the whole story - but getting the two right for your situation can help a good mix/effective dose become a hands-down winner.
Some of the Shine and IG I have tested. Maybe they aren’t called Stealth but they act it. OK so I still use a touch of men’s fragrance. More aftershave scent not heavy. So if you work on a plane or a train or in a medical office, you can use IG and Shine or A314 and Shine. Even in places where colognes are barred. FF21 I would use in a club.
I take it the newer batches of IS, IG and A314-spray are scent reduced? Or just the togo versions? That would be great, especially for those 3 products
Exactly - In a lot of workplaces, strong scents are frowned upon. Don’t know about the US but many UK retail, banking, medical, scientific and catering environments have quite strict “No Scent” policies in their job descriptions - and anything stronger than a light soap scent will very likely land the wearer in deep-shit.
A314 oil and 6% Neroli at a reasonable number of sprays fit the bill nicely and can be worn without problems - Akuto at 6% is a bit more pronounced and can be difficult - I need to be careful when working at the medical/biomedical side of our operation but I can wear a light cologne for other aspects of the job. Either place gives me good results and I must say the A314 oil has been of most influence overall despite the lack of an extra scent.
Not tried the latest IG/IS scents yet - although I have a fairly recent bottle of IS that I should probably have a sniff of.
Wow that’s interesting mobocaster.
Here in the US it’s not like that. As long as you don’t overdo it on cologne, more seems to be better.
I can only imagine what the average open-plan office or auditorium in the US smells like 
Increasingly typical American workspace. Newsroom. NYC FiBi District, Manhattan. http://static5.businessinsider.com/image/4fc797b469bedd794900000c-480/business-insider-bi-office-profile-bi-may-2012-dng.jpg
Yes, the blessings of modern civilization. A desk, a screen, packet soup void of nutrients and coffee from tax-evading companies 
. Does not look too desirable to me. But a good habitat for phero trials.
Actually most hospital employees in the US are prohibited from wearing cologne/perfume now, especially in the O.R’s and/or clinical areas. I still wear cologne/pheros in hospitals, but I go light.
Not just hospitals, but also the greater medical field. I used to be a medical aide for a private nursing company, and there was a strict no-fragrances policy. Soap only, and not strong soap.
Shocking! I thought experts say workplace status/alpha products must be 300 mcg per spray. Or was it 600?
I think that’s a trend in the right direction.
Not sure what “experts” claim this, but it’s not advised. Less, as you know, is better. Our direction is minimum effective dose, or minimum optimal dose. Keyword, minimum.
For a myriad of reasons, mind you. Product efficiency is one thing. No one needs to uselessly waste expensive active ingredients. Unless it’s your conscious intention to learn the upper limit dose boundaries. Test megadoses! That’s good! For a certain amount of time. But repeating high dose products over time? Remember the keyword: minimum.
If you go over a certain fragrance threshold, the nasal epithelium is bombarded and “adapts” – and cannot detect any novel odors after that. This is why they put coffee beans while fragrance shopping. You want that ratio of cologne-pheromone to tip more toward the latter.
Imagine the entire scent you project is a delivery truck. The delivery truck carries boxes with active ingredients (i.e. pheromones) with varying desired effects, and carries boxes with pretty stuff that smells good, but doesn’t necessarily have a desired effect other than smelling good (cologne). There’s only a finite amount of space in the truck bed. You’d want the truck to be carrying the right amount of pheromone boxes, and not get crowded out by cologne boxes. There’s only so many boxes a recipient nose can unpack before getting tired - aka saturated.
Pathologically excessive application, to me, perhaps signals an olfactory disorder in the wearer. Diabetes, morbid obesity, and tobacco/alcohol use are well known causes of olfactory impairment. Olfactory loss is even closely linked to cognitive decline! (Pg 58 International Symposium on Smell and Taste)!
I can only imagine what the average open plan office in the EU smells like! Anywhere there is an infestation of people here in the US, their chemical trails follow. Newer shopping malls are built with gigantic air exchanges to deal with companies like Abercrombie and Fitch dosing their stores with their signature fragrances. All the hotels, casinos, and resorts have branded fragrances. The fragrance laws here in the US are a lot less stringent than the EU.
For instance, take musk xylene. Banned almost everywhere else (EU, Japan, Australia) but manufactured in India and China, and perfectly legal for cosmetic (non-ingested) use here in the US. Musk xylene is an analogue of TNT - yes you read that right - Trinitrotoluene, aka, dynamite. Will it blow up? Yes. But legal sleight of tongue allows these types of substances, with their high flash points, to be airmailed. Causes contact dermatitis, tumors in rats, endocrine disruption, shows up in breastmilk… The list goes on. Formulations at typical USA mall brands like The Body Shop still contain musk xylene, it’s that common here. The USA and its “Wild West” mentality. “Sell first - ask questions later.” … after the bodies pile up. You could do an entire documentary in itself about bioaccumulations in the food chain of certain synthetic musks. It doesn’t break down. Not easily, anyway.
There are many ingredients in USA cosmetics and fragrances that are like this.
Okay. The moral of the story here is, the USA cares a lot less than the EU.
And the silver lining to that “moral of the story” is-- there are still conscious brands out there who keep up with emerging health data and make informed ingredient decisions. Read IFRA. Ifra contracts a German 3rd party to review all fragrance ingredients in the industry every 5 years. They restrict the use of crap. They suggest bans on things they find carcinogenic. It’s voluntary to follow IFRA. We do. For every one of our products. We review it before every single batch is made. And we are unafraid to stop carrying profitable products if they contain IFRA banned constituents. (Search Ammo fragrance, 2010)
Additionally, use EWG’s SkinDeep tool. Not just for fragrances, but for everything in your bathroom and medicine cabinet.
The best you can do is be an informed consumer, vote with your wallet, and support independent brands who do their homework. Who seek regular industry education opportunities. Who do their best to keep you safe. Find them and keep them in business.
Another brilliant answer from the tarantula.
Neroli, Akuto, and all our fragrances are designed to maximize diffusion of phero particles. They’ve been tested over many years to do so. We adhere to a “less is better” approach. Neroli based products are 6% fragrance. Compare this to typical Eau D’Toilettes on the market at 15%-20% fragrance. You don’t need to stink to be sexy. Just the right amount. No more, no less.
We appreciate if you do not apply additional cologne when testing and submitting reports. It renders our research obsolete. We have control over our own products and formulations, and can therefore tweak as necessary. If you submit a report with products and fragrances we have no control over, well, there’s nothing we can do with that. Use as directed, report as advised, and products evolve.
We evolve our diffusion packages as often as possible. Sometimes each batch, sometimes longer if our in-house experiments yield less than optimal results. (Read: “they were crap.”) Fail forward, as they say.
There might be a time in the future – much after the holiday season – where we may re-introduce a round of Stealth Diffusion experiments. Definitely after the holiday season. From Nov-January, everyone is too drunk or stuffed to do anything serious, can we agree? With everyone hungover or in a diabetic coma, I don’t think anyone – tester or testeds’ – sniffers will be in tip top shape.
