First - read everything you can on these forums. I read 35 pages back on the women’s and men’s forum before ordering anything. I knew Tish, Diane, Xiphoid, Diamond, Lor, Mark, etc before I ever posted.
Stalkerish, I know. These forums are a GOLD MINE. Tish had some brilliant observations as well - look at the personality and persona of the individual, not just the experience with the pheros. That drives more than I think any of us want to admit.
You’re doing awesome. I read the entire Boy is Passive thread. Your heart is in the right place. I understand Diane’s viewpoints in her responses. We;ve never typed onee on one, but I highly respect her. My ex finace was very similar in opposite, if that makes sense - he wanted it all the time, and I could only give it out once or twice a day on special days. But he scaled back and I learned to initiate and we ended up super close. However, Tish and renny are right - the closest I ever felt to him was after a great date night (movie, wine, dinner, ceom home, more wine sitting at the kitchen table, talking) and we just talked about everything. Junior high, his mother, my crazy novel ideas, his travel ideas, anything and everything that was important to us. We both remember that night as the best night in our relationship. We made love for hours.
Sometimes people are just not sexual. It can be forever and hormonal/endocrine driven, like they’re asexual or somesuch. Or it can be emotional. If you truly believe this has been a forever state with him, and that one nigt stands weren’t possibly pressured by friends, or any number of other factors, then continue to work on getting him to initiate. My ex fiance and I are now best friends, but we had to work long and hard to break up and come back together as friends. It was hideously ugly. I 100% agree with Tish - open, honest, loving, NO PRESSURE communication is the best. Too many people forget the no pressure. One party might think they are being open and honest, but the other party sees a target painted on their back.
Keep testing, keep working at it. There is no right answer or magic button. We can all talk till the cows come home, but it’s all individually driven.
One more thing, that I dont think applies here, but it’s worth mentioning anyway - sometimes we have “hits” that we dont expect or understand at the time. I wore Instant Honesty for two days and was utterly ignored by my TG. Like run to the other side of the room ignored. Steve mentioned one day that sometimes IH can cause a man to think “uh-ooh - I want to be close to her and I dont know why - no! Must find fun!” and they run away. Best advice I ever received on this forum. (Aside from you, Lor.) I stopped wearing it and wore I/Shine (at about 3-5 sprays) and lo and behold, he started turning around. Turns out, my TG has serious trust issues with women, to the point where he wont admit, or follow through on, honest, mutual attraction. he’s scared to death. So the IH was making him RUN. The IShine was drawing him in - fun, no pressure, no scariness.
Wear your pheros everywhere - look for hits everywhere. Wear your CTTM and IH/IO proudly, but talk to your BF in a NON-PRESSURIZED way. You know him more than we do - follow what your heart thinks is best. Watch for hits from not just him, but everyone. Read that new Mommy thread and watch for hits from your son.
EoW can make a difference, but it wont be a magic fix-all. You, and only you, can change your life. Much evil has happened to the world based on things left unsaid. Sounds like you;ve done a great deal of chatting with him over this. Decide and chat with yourself - is this okay for forever?
About sprays and app points - read, read, read. you’ll get a feel for others personality compared to your personality and their dosage vs your dosage. I love the long, convoluted threads like the Boy is Passive one because you can really see people’s personalities shine through.
Total disclaimer - I am poaching all my “knowledge” from what I’ve read from others. Also, I am working on this bottle of Gin here next to me and waiting/not waiting from a call back from my TG… I love you, gin…