For the social proofing of using the opposite sex’s mones in trace amounts (although so far I only mainly read of guys using cops specifically in the way I’m talking about) I have two main questions:
For the ladies, before going on, I know you like to experiment with just about everything, but from what I can tell, you seem to use the masculine mones on yourselves more for agression/motivation/energy, for self effects of comfort, or to be more competitive, but would you say that wearing the mones of a man can create similar social proofing to a man wearing cops?
A: For those who use these for social proofing, have you tried this for an LTR? What was your experience?
B: If not, would you say that when using them, your targets are less LTR interested? And how conscious do you think the effect of the “I just f*cked the opposite sex” is?
Would an LTR think you are cheating on her/him, or would it be more like how she may have to sometimes beat other women off you, which, tiring as it may be, simply reminds her of your value? Is it more like none OD’s, where one can be totally polite and noncongruent with none but people really have trouble seeing it that way during the OD? (Because of the strength of the signal of their VNO saying none guy vs. the strength of the signal of your own body language etc. which, depending on OD level, could even be almost timid but still not counter enough/just confuse but not clarify)
Also, what about estrogen or more feminine putatives or other mones on men, especially for social proofing in a similar way to small amounts of cops on men? I only ever hear about cops working in the “he’s a heap of crap, but other women are doin him so I’ll give him a try” type social proofing, although I also have no idea if that is what goes through your (ladies’) heads when a not-so-great guy is wearing them. (Guys describe the experience like that though.) If you get a different feeling/result from this, please explain and mention any other female mones on a man that give similar feelings/results either to what I just described or what you feel/get with a guy wearing cops.
On a more theoretical note, do you think this is possibly a part of how one gets “that feeling” that their partner is cheating on them?
No they really dont cause a social proofing effect for the women. I find if you use to much male pheromones it makes the wearer feel cranky and out of sorts and others tend to think your a lesbian. It gives sort of a butch vibe. Very small amounts wont do this and can aid in attraction. Women actually make all the same pheromones as men except A1 I believe so its not unnatural or a indication that you have been with a man. Some of the putatives may be isolated to one sex but without giving the chemical names its hard for most to figure out which they are.
Copulins on the other hand are exclusive to females, this is why they give the social proofing or player effect.
You need to be careful with social proofing. If your married or in a long term relationship its not good to use copulins really. It just makes women suspicious and uneasy leading to disagreements or jealous behavior.
If your looking for a long term relationship I wouldn’t suggest using them. Women who are serious about looking for a relationship will skip over men they think are involved. Of course you do get the few who dont care one way or the other but this speaks volumes about their character and you have to decide if she is the type of person you want to be involved with.
If you come across someone which your interested in a more serious relationship then just stop using the copulins once you have social proofed.
If your looking for a casual one nighter social proofing is good.
No other female pheromones do not social proof for the same reason social proofing doesn’t work for women. Men make natural estrogen in very small amounts. Using the estrogen based putatives or something like TAH or TAL gives you a feminine vibe. Some women may assume your gay and they tend to just keep you in the friends box.
For both men and women using the opposite genders primary pheromones its always best to use them in small amounts to enhance your own genders pheromones.
For instance small amounts of TAL can soften a overly aggressive high anone mix.
Small amounts of anone can give a soft sweet molecule like TAH more of a alpha independent strong women vibe.
I have found this is the best way to use the putatives IMO. Find a mix that you like of the main stream mones like anol bnol anone arone A1 EST and then enhance those vibes with smaller quantities of putatives.
What Tisha said is right. We make trace amounts of male hormones, you don’t make small amounts of copulins.
I have some TUTH, but it gave me a headache, I want to try it in other combinations, sometime. I mostly got people giving me weird looks. Right now I have very little time to go out to clubs, so I don’t want to risk headaches.
Copulins put some women off and attract others. I have one friend, who happens to enjoy going out at night and whenever I wear cops, even straight cops, she goes “MMMM, you smell SO SO good!” I think she has more masculine wiring than me. She is bit of a tomboy, her sister is a lesbian. She is straight so it does not attract her sexually to me, but I could see it happening with a man. She loves the smell even if I think I’m smelling like buttcheese in vinegar sauce.
Cops as social proof is a theory not a proven thing. It could also be that some girls are a bit like my friend and just smell something good in the cops. And maybe women with more masculine wiring are more often open to ONS.
In the social proof theory frame I don’t think women conciously think “Hey, he sleeps around and smells like unwashed panties, he may have some mad skills” or anything along those lines. Just that women who are only open to relationships are not so interested in a guy that gives off a tomcat vibe and women who are open to ONS are familiar with that and respond to it. The kind of insecure feeling that is so very wrong in a marriage, may be a familiar feeling to a girl who gets played a lot. A girl like that may associate sexual arousal with insecurity, like a Pavlov effect. People tend to seek familiar scenarios and while the girl may not consciously want to get played again, still seeks out the tomcat that makes her feel insecure.
It isn’t all about smelling like you have just been with another woman.
I’d imagine for the most part that women and men both have positive associations with sex (it tends to be enjoyable)
Our bodies will most likely associate the smell of cops with sex and therefore the smell of cops would be associated with a pleasurable act.
Because of that I can see a guy using cops with success in an LTR - He puts cops on, his LTR will be subconsciously reminded of sex around him because of the cops and (assuming that sex is a positive thing in their relationship) feel happier because she is reminded of a pleasurable act.
You have much bigger problems than what mones to wear if your LTR associates sex with negative feelings. IMO jealously due to wearing cops is only an issue if there are already trust problems in the relationship.
Erm, to the repper (it was positive but the comment was negative)
First off - We do think in some very similar ways - Both men AND women enjoy sex (if you don’t I suggest seeing a therapist or finding a new partner). We also tend to react positively when reminded of something that we think of positively. I mean, this is the essential basis of aromatherapy - by smelling scents we associate with positive feelings we feel better. Smells even make BOTH sexes act differently (clean smells make us more moral - There is an scientific article out there about this).
So yes - both men and women enjoy sex (have positive associations with sex) - Copulins are produced during sex and therefore upon smelling copulins we would subconsciously be reminded of that act that we associate positive feelings too.
So if a guy wears copulins around his LTR he should expect a positive reaction as her subconscious is remembering all the positive things she feels when she has sex with her LTR.
Now obviously if the guy is wearing rank-ass copulins and actually smells like he just had sex (and you didn’t just have sex) we should expect a negative reaction - I would suggest that the OP is talking about wearing copulins in such a way that you don’t smell like you just spent the last hour bathing in vag juice (I.E. the cops were covered by a scent package).
When we talk social proofing and cop use we aren’t talking about girls consciously thinking to themselves - “Hrmm this guy smells like he just f*cked some girl in the bathroom at the club, damn that makes me hot”. We are talking about a subconsciously driven perceived boost in status because the subconscious notes that some other girl has found this guy attractive enough for copulation.
I don’t think a girls subconscious would start ringing alarm bells if her LTR smelt like cops unless the girl had a strong suspicion that he was cheating.
Copulins are produced during ovulation not sex. They may be present during sex but you dont have to have sex to produce them.
Actually this is something I have seen quite a bit. Women naturally know the smell of there own copulins and to the layman’s subconscious there is only one way to achieve that distinctive signal. Pheromone users of course know we can get it in a bottle. Some women may not say anything or make you sleep on the couch but they are aware of it and it creates a feeling of lack of trust and connection which can lead to problems down the road.
LOL I am not offended even though your post came out after mine I do have a tremendous amount of experience with both male and female pheromones and testers though and I never assume anything. It is important to get more then one persons perspective though. A good guru never stops learning or growing
It was my understanding that they were essentially always present in a woman’s vaginal track and that the act of copulation was when they were excreted (as part of their vaginal lubrication)
I still think that unless there are underlying trust issue a ladies subconscious wouldn’t start ringing alarm bells for a guy wearing a light application of cops
I guess I should say that in my opinion usage of cops with an LTR should be a pretty light application
I do have a tremendous amount of experience with both male and 