Some of you may be familiar with the concept of social proof. It’s the observation that guys have made that being in the company of women tends to attract more women..
I think most guys have noticed that they get far more attention from women when they have a girlfriend or wife than when they are single.. Some people speculate why this is. One theory is that the women figure if other women want him, he must be ok. He must have some desirable qualities. However the result is often that one guy will run through a large portion of the women in a social group while other guys get no play. It seems once you have social proof, it can gather momentum.
However something puzzles me. I can understand why social proof works when a girl sees me with other girls, but that is not always how it happens. I have noticed that when I have a girlfriend, I get more attention from women, even when my girlfriend isn’t with me. There is no way they can know I have a girlfriend, but they seem to sense it somehow.
Perhaps this works in a similar fashion to the McClintock effect which causes a group of womens menstrual cycles to synchronize when they live together. It is believed that pheromones are responsible for the McClintock effect. When women smell certain pheromones from other women, their menstrual cycle will lengthen or shorten in response. This continues until all the women in the group are synchronized.
When a man is sexually active perhaps the women mark him with some kind of pheromone that other women can detect? At first i thought maybe it could be copulins, but the guys experimenting with copulins have reported limited success. Perhaps exposure to the woman’s pheromones causes the man’s pheromone signature to change? I know copulins can cause an increase in testosterone in men, but if the man’s pheromone signature was changed by exposure to copulins alone, I would think the guys who have experimented with copulins would have better results due to self affects. Can anyone enlighten me?
I just read several posts supporting the theory that “natural” copulins are effictive at attracting woman where synthetic copulins fail. Perhaps copulins are not responsible for this phenomenon at all. Technically synthetic copulins should be identical in their effects. They certainly work on men. So why do we see so many reports of success attracting women by unwashed men just after sex? Perhaps there is another pheromone passed to the man by the woman. Could there be a real “Social Proof” pheromone?
I don’t think it’s one single pheromone. I think copulins may play a part in it, but it isn’t the only one. I don’t have much personal experience with it yet, but tactitus’ theory on ‘symphonic mixes’ makes a lot of sense to me.
Is there a copulins Experimone or Androtics product that doesn’t contain androstenone? Or maybe one that is available from some place other than Androtics. I would be curious to try this out, as long as it isn’t too stinky.
Also, I’ve often wondered what happens if a guy wears just a bit of “instant sexiness” or one of the women’s products. I was thinking it might sort of “smell like a woman” a bit, and have a similar effect.
Dadelus, I tried TAL and TAH in my night class this winter. I think the TAL especially worked to make women more comfortable and feel more trusting of me. That’s not the same as the effect IMOM is talking about. That’s more of a “he’s sleeping with somebody so it’s safe to sleep with him” effect. At least that’s how I understand the social proof concept to work.
You’ll have to search around in the women’s forum and see if the ISEX products have cops, I’m not sure. IS/A is TAL based and IS/B is TAH based. I think that if they don’t have cops already they can be added as a customization.
Thanks Mark, maybe I’ll order some and try it out and see what happens.
Query, though… what does it do to people that know you… you get any wierd reactions from ladies that you aren’t romanticly interested in? (umm… like possibly family members, that’s an issue with me sometime). Or is it more deeply unconscious than that? I don’t want to wear anything too much that broadcasts “I am a manslut”.
TAL and TAH sound interesting too, I may research those more. I need something that takes womens guard down a bit and convinces them I’m not a psycho.
Well, I’ve not worn cops around family members, so I can’t answer that.
As far as getting reactions from women that I’ve not been romantically interested in, that’s always a potential, and yes I have had women act quite forward with me. I’ve toned it down by dropping the level to a single drop of EOW, and It’s usually been older women on the prowl that have been the most forward. I believe that they may key in to the scent, recognize it for what it is and figure there’s action to be had.
Women that I do know have not really acted or reacted differently toward me. The younger girls are maybe a bit more cozy, but nothing weird.
I think low levels of well covered cops hit on a deeper unconscious level, and while the signal may be saying I just had sex, women don’t necessarily realize on a conscious level that that’s what their brains are deciphering.
Hmm… so does it make women “lust after you”, or does it just convince them that you are "OK’ or “a nice guy”, because obviously people like, um, hanging out with you?
I guess I’ll try some out but I’ll wear it with care around strangers first to gauge the reactions. I’ve gotta watch how much pheromones I wear around any family members because they can sense some of the reactions with people, and it has perked their interest a few times. Check out my journal, for instance. They don’t notice the effect so much on themselves but they can see it with other people (I believe with long-term relationship, pheromones just influence our moods and attitudes about people, not our beliefs).
I’m not worried about being “found out” for myself, but I think if they knew that pheromones did what they did, it could be alot to take in. They know I’m into ordering fragrances and stuff off the net, so that’s my cover story
From my experience it does peak a sexual interest from women. Unfortunately I don’t think we know what “it” is. I suspect it is not as simple as copulins alone. I think there are other pheromones at work here. My best guess is that it is either another female pheromone being passed to the male, or a change caused in the man’s pheromones/hormones as a result of being exposed to a woman sexually. Whatever the cause, the effect seems to be long lasting.
An interesting experiment would be to line up a 10 guys. 8 single celibate guys and 2 sexually active guys. For the 2 sexually active guys, use one monogamous guy and one promiscuous guy. Hide the guys from view in some way that will not block their scent. Then have 20 women of various ages choose which man to sit by. I would be very interested in seeing which guy they choose most often.
I just thought of another interesting experiment. Before a night on the prowl, go to a strip club and get some dances. Expose yourself to the scent of a women in close proximity and experience arousal from a real women. Then go to your favorite place to meet women and see if it has the same affect as intercourse apparently does. One way to vary the test would be to get lap dances with touching one night to get the females scent on you, and the next time to avoid physical contact. Just smell the girls scent and experience arousal. See if it makes a difference.
All pheromones effect on a subconscious level. Copulins are no different and yes we can detect them without even knowing it. You have to take into consideration the human factor. We are free thinking. Some women will react to men who have a underling copulin signature because they sense this person is in demand and a good mate choice. Some wont react differently because they assume your taken or are a player. This is where our free thinking kicks in. pheromones in animals and in humans act differently but on the same level. Animals react to pheromones, Humans think then react (at least most humans)
There are a lot of reports of men wearing copulins around there wives and running into trouble because suddenly they feel there spouse is cheating on them. This is a strong indication that we do sense them in the subconscious mind and recognize them.
So, sounds to me like copulins are more sexually suggestive, but pheromones like TAL are not so much. That’s given me alot to think about, honestly… I’m not sure Copulins would be the right pheromone for me for general wear- I’d have to be very careful for sure.
Good point Tisha, free will and intelligence play a stronger role than any pheromone. I really think this affect is completely unconscious to the woman. I dont think it causes any sort of conscious reasoning about why the man is a good choice. I think the cause is some sort of evolutionary imperative that is in conflict with our ideals in todays society. I think women are unaware of this influence. I know that is a frightening thought. I think if women were conscious of the the pheromones and their meaning, many would actually be consciously repulsed instead of attracted. When women are affected by these “social proof” pheromones, I dont think it signals any conscious warning that this man is a player.
However, I have big doubts it is simply copulins that cause the reaction from women.. I have read the reports from men experimenting with copulins, and the effect is not the same. I really think something else is going on here.
Check out this thread illustrating the difference between synthetic copulins and actual sexual activity. There is a big difference in the affect. Copulins on a man: difference between ‘naturally-sourced’ as opposed to synthetic
You could just get straight EoW which stanks purty good…and cover that with additional pheromones and cologne. AD’s Lust After Me/5X’s cops is oil based with a ylang scent. It’s available in other scents and unscented which definitely needs to be covered…'cause ya it stinks. It’s also available with 20X’s cops…don’t go there.
Either way you’re gonna need a strong cover. Phew.
Both Instant sexiness/A and B contain light copulins…we dun know how much. Instant Sexiness/A is TAL heavy…think sexy alpha “I am woman”. Instant Sexiness/B is softer…purrrrr…but still sexy. You can definitely get hits with Tal and androstenone. AMMO and TAL…hum…could get interesting. Trust me.
Tal can bring bring women forward…often in a sexually expressive way. They start feelin’ themselves…if ya know what I mean. It can make alpha girls, like me, more so. And it can bring out the alpha in beta girls who need/want a boost. The ladies often use them in tandem depending on wanted self effects and the dersired/prefered effects on/of their target. Lotta ways to go here.
And,yes, you can get custom additions of cops in some of the products. I’m sure April will be happy to don her hazmat gear, for you, to formulate them.
Hugs and kisses to April…and a kick in the balls to the creeps who stalk her, nightly, on her way home.
They may “lust after you” or mabbee they’ll jus think you’re a “dirty boy” who plays around and sleeps with a lotta women. And mabbee they’ll like it and wanna sleep with you too. It’s a crap shoot.
And wearing cops around your wife can get you divorced.
As far as social proofing goes…yes, hanging with women, especially attractive ones does open doors to the possibility of meeting their hot friends..but the more people you know the more opportunity you have to meet others. Who knows?..maybe the guy who owns the veggie stand has a hot sister…who’s a gorgeous ex-stripper who worked her way through med school…who now has her own proctology practice…and pulls in seven figures a year?
Speaking of copulins, gentleman, you might want to take a peek at this…
Bella
Btw…that invitation to..ahem…the ballroom is still open…
Now I’m really confused. I guess this experiment can wait till another time. The effect sounds way too dicey to experiment with at this point. I’d like to read more “reports” of copulins use in men, in different settings. Also it might have detrimental effects that outweigh the benefits.
Well, it’s my fault, not yours. I really think the issue is I was expecting copulins to maybe show some kind of “social” proofing, but in reality it seems to be far more sexual than simply a social thing. At least according to what you all are saying . For instance if it can make women assume their husband is cheating on them… well, it definitely sounds sexually suggestive. And it doesn’t sound so deeply unconscious, either- like the wiring for the brain is really close to the conscious mind in that case, if somebody could “figure” that out.
“social proofing” sounds like yet another science euphemism. “Manwhore” or “player” would be more accurate (?)
Instant Sexiness/A is TAL heavy…think sexy alpha “I am woman”. Instant Sexiness/B is softer…purrrrr…but still sexy. You can definitely get hits with Tal and androstenone. AMMO and TAL…hum…could get interesting. Trust me.
