Did anyone but me consider the possibility that copulins are not responsible for the social proof affect?
I would even go a step further about the sub conscience mark is talking about. I don’t even think that their minds are saying he had sex, it must be safe (Pre-selection triggers), but more along the lines of he has been with another women.
My ex-GF in Phoenix and I lived together for over a year and even on the occasional days we didn’t have sex I still smelled of her. Girls picked up on it. So maybe its not even the sexual aspect at all but could be just the fact that you smell like you have been around a girl. An experiment I plan to try is mixing a bottle of perfume with some cops and wearing that. Maybe spraying a few sprays on the chest and “lower.”
I wonder what the most popular girly perfume is? Time to call up Lori and apologize I guess.
Pink Sugar 
Wow..you gals are fit as hell in your picture Tisha! Congrats. 
I’m sure whatever Tisha is in the loop about is plenty popular.
That being said, in response to IMOM, I think copulins is/very likely to be a ‘social proof’ pheromone. I think there are other pheromones which can imply ‘social proof’. IMO, ‘social proof’ is the result of several factors. The natural personality of the male in question needs to be considered as if he’s scoring, he’ll act differently, plus, he’s just more likely to have a likable personality.
interesting discussion
i know when i was married, it seemed i was a magnet. I never understood. I use to say to myself, why is it when I was younger and single I never had this much luck.
The mind is a very powerful organ that is for sure!
I just recently purchased TAL and TAH, and been experimenting, but been afraid to go higher then 5 mcg. I am not sure how high I can go yet.
In my experience various women react differently to synthetic copulins.
Some are attracted.
Some are repelled.
My wife picks up on them right away and they make her supiscious.
Copulins can be unconsciously or even consciously perceived, depending on how aware the woman is of olfactory stimulus. My wife now perceives them consciously and notes when I put them on.
I think the brain can fairly accurately identify the scent. People react according to their personalities. Some ladies are attracted to “sloppy seconds.” Others are repelled. Generally, mates in a committed relationship will not be thrilled, but again there could be exceptions depending on personalities.
I ordered a bottle of Essence of Woman to experiment around with (not an Androtics product, usual disclaimer). Any advice on how many drops I should wear- should I dilute it?
I ordered a bottle of Essence of Woman (not Androtics, usual disclaimer)… good thing was it’s inexpensive. I also ordered some Scent of Eros to try out as a base mix- don’t worry though, Androtics hasn’t lost my business . It’s not here yet but should be within a few days. Any advice on how many drops a man should wear- maybe even dilute it, even?
I don’t believe the “he’s cheating on me” would be an issue at the moment. I’m just curious to see if it causes any kind of reaction at all I think I’ll try wearing this stuff around “naive” targets first, just so I don’t give people the “wrong impression” in case I don’t like the effect.
Is there a personality type that would be attracted to “social proofing” or turned off by the same effect? “Nice” gals versus, umm… “easy” ones?
Oh yeah, another thing I noticed… going shopping with my mom did not seem to reduce any of the attention I recieved from pheromone usage in terms of visual attention, if anything it was the same or slightly higher than normal. I don’t even want to know what that means… 
Lol
Start with one drop. COVER WELL. And pop into Mark’s journal…I believe he composites it…he and a few of the other boys have some experience wearing cops. Also Data and Eldros both wear Dirty.
I love Scent of Eros For Men. Kitten and a few of us had a nice discussion of Scent of Eros For Women with JVKohl over in Kittenland!!! a while back.
It’s a crap shoot which women will/may be attracted to a guy who wears cops. Your best bet is to put yourself in an atmosphere where you can freely “play”.
It means people like guys who are nice to their moms. …or they though she was your Sugar Mama.
I don’t know, my concept is there is some sort of psychic energy wavelength which may resonate certain things out with other people, and pheromones are a chemical basis of artificially simulating that resonance to some extent, but it’s never going to be as good as the same thing.
For example, you are at a different energy level once you are engaging a girl, or a girl is fixing attention on you through space (i.e. thinking about you), you may be aware there is some thought being directed at you.
Or, if you are engaging a girl, then because you are at another mental wavelength, then the reality is affected or something like that, sort of like in secret.
It’s far simple than that, Luke. They are just smells. Some of them even “feel” like smells- like Instant Female Magic. Squirt 3 sprays and I can even “feel” the stuff in the air- it’s like a Succubus comming out to get me. It’s like a giant, gloomy, dark fart 
… seriously, Instant Female Magic doesn’t work well on some men, caveat emptor. I consider it one of those ironies of the universe that women love this stuff, but men are either indifferent, or a select few like me, have “issues” with it.
Ok… anyways, it’s like smells with messages that your brain indentifies as a feeling/mood. Sort of vestigial in a modern push-button society where we are on the verge of all kinds of “super science” stuff favoring rationality and rigid, “hive like” societies wired together electronicly and emotionally mediated through drugs (THX 1138 and a dozen other dystopian sci-fi movies) as oppossed to band-level tribes and hunter-gatherers, but still very primal and affects people nontheless.
Oh, and Luke… may the Force be with you.
Sorry, you were just asking for that one
I see a woman maybe twenty yards away, or farther. She reacts to my pheromones. She reacts in a way that I know she wouldn’t were I not wearing pheromones. Even if it is scientifically possible for phero molecules waft that far in her direction and be detected by her, how could she ever know that they were coming from me and not the guy standing next to me? But she makes eye contact with me, not him. If the pheromones are effecting my behavior, my mannerisms, posture, facial expressions then how likely is it that she is really going to notice from that far away?
I have a difficult time conceptualizing the action of pheromones without assuming some kind of extradementional effect. It would explain why it is so dificult to prove the VNO senses pheromones if some of the requisite physiology exists outside of the three dimensions of space we commonly recongize. It strengthens my suspicions when I read about people doing P83 and hearing their partner moan before it happens. Or they say that they just knew what each other wanted. I don’t think you get that deep of a rapport without some kind of spiritual/psychic/transdimentional connection. I haven’t read anything on this forum before that discusses that kind of possibility. And since P83 is out-of-stock right now I guess it’ll be a while before I try to replicate that particular experience.
I know this offends some you hard core traditional scientist types out there, but I just don’t see other realistic possibilities. Some of you write about binaural effects. The Monroe Institute certainly gets what you might call psychic or clarivoyant activity – even psychokinesis – from their tapes. I have a friend who does what she calls energy medicine. I haven’t been able to interest her in pheromones, but she is basically addicted to essential oils aroma therapy. They are supposed to, among other things, open different chakras including the third eye. I have on occasion, during her demonstrations, caught glimpses of things happening far away and later found that what I saw was accurate.
Does anybody know if there are pheromones which have been demonstrated to improve Remote Viewing or Remote Influencing capabilities? They are definitely dewscribed as helping some people to meditate.
Unable to touch on the other topics atm, but I’d say ‘instinct’ could play a role here. I mean, how does a baby know that the female in question is his/her mother? AFAIK, they don’t conscious access their memory, or at least, are unable to articulate that they do. Either way, there is definitely communication. We are all hard wired with certain forms of communication from birth. We are simply unable to distinguish ‘instinct’ from our higher levels of thought at times, so it feels as if we didn’t consciously process it. Well..perhaps we don’t, but either way, consciously or unconsciously, our brain does process this hard-wired communication.
At least it’s a place to start..
Yeah… if I were to wear my cynical Richard Dawkin’s hat, I would have to say all this supernatural attribution is just our higher forebrain rationalizing primal instincts and impulses from our rodent/monkey brain. OK, I’ll take that hat off for now… but I’ll say again, there is nothing at face value to suggest pheromonal effects need a supernatural explanation. Now be good or I’ll have to pull out my Occam’s Razor! Grrr…
I’ve experienced this too, although I’m not yet quite ready to buy the “extradimensional” explanation.
Dude, be careful. You might cut yourself on that razor!
Certainly, instincts are being involked. But how, if not by smell (can’t determine specific location at a distance), not by sight (too far away to see)? And the apparent precognitive effects are another can of worms…
Precognitive effects? Bah, I just see it as preconditioning, Pavlov’s dog salivating at the bell. See, lots of prosaic explanations for extraordinary effects. Now, is it all part of some grand design? Who knows… I’ll leave that to theologians.
And my Occam’s Razor definitely has a nice, big safety bar on it
Well, I got EoW today and I wore some… around my mom even. She didn’t say anything when we went out shopping and did some errands (cat food and the like). Then I told her over lunch what I was wearing (she knows I wear pheromones), and what copulins did, and she and I had a few laughs. She didn’t really feel any different around me at all. At one point she did get some hot flashes and a little nervous, though, but that could just be the heat. We stopped and got some water for her, and I needed some labels for vials, too.
BTW, self-effects seemed pretty mild from just one drop. I felt maybe a little more masculine, maybe a little more powerful. I felt a bit “nervous” when I first put it on, though. Frisky? There’s definitely a sexual component to this stuff, although I wouldn’t say it’s very forward, unless you want it to be. I didn’t feel highly sexualized, maybe just a touch. Manwhore? Definitely not. I did notice as the day went on, the effects seemed to intensify a bit (see my journal).
I got lots of IOI’s from men, a few from women- I was walking with my mom… maybe they thought I was taken . All the women I interacted with treated me well, I didn’t sense any negative reactions, but I only interacted with a few people. I did not wear this stuff alone, but I wore it with some Scent of Eros, Instant Shine, and a little androsterone/Instant Gentleman (5mcg androsterone)… oh, and a touch of NPA, not alot, maybe the equiv. of 1/4 of a drop.
Oh yeah, this stuff smells like a really funky aged cheese combined with wine or vinegar. It’s very wierd smelling, doesn’t smell masculine at all. I think it might be better diluted to half a drop, although 1 drop didn’t seem to produce any wierd reactions I’m not sure it’s good at that dosage every day.
You can read more reactions in my journal… I um, decided to edited them out here because they are a little embarrassing
It’s all context. Were there an available woman around (mom doesn’t count) you would have felt some sexual results.
Yes, somewhat, and it realy seems to take time to build up, as well as it’s a question of the environment (air space around you). In fact that’s what I noted in my journal. Let’s just say, it’s more potent, especially if you are sitting in a small closed room with the stuff. I’ve also got a jar of the stuff that arrived in the mail in my room a bit warm, reeking of the stuff, and it’s right in my room (I use ozone in the room at low amounts, but I think it’s building up a little). I feel umm, a bit like a teenager for some reason. If I break out in zits tomorrow (I still get acne in my 30’s for various reasons), I’ll know what to blame… copulins.
Definitely not my thing at 1 drop. Maybe dilute it like NPA. If you are in open air and its covered well, it might not be a problem. Then again if you are in a bar looking for love, it might not be a problem
Addendum: Later in the day we had a movie to return to Best Buy, and my brother came along. We wen’t out to eat afterwards at some cheap place. On the way home, I noticed a certain hostility in everybody’s voice. The copulins smell was still pretty strong on my arms, even after the cologne wore off. By this point in the day I believe my other pheromones had been reduced alot. I felt vulnerable. In the restaurant, noises seemed louder and everything was irritating. In the car, the convo was dominated by negative vibes, people just seemed a little edgey and not as cool. I don’t know if copulins were a cause or not. I do know I did some research on the ingredients, and one of the ingredients is butyric acid. This is the rank smell in BO, the nasty smelling stuff you find on rancid butter, etc.
Tentative hypotheses and conclusions: Perhaps a man wearing copulins requires sufficient buffers of other pheromones, otherwise he’ll seem like the sexual interloper that just happened to get lucky, and thus, open to attack? I have no idea but this whole thing has raised my suspicions about copulins. Plus, the stuff is darn hard to wash off, it’s about as bad as androstenone, maybe even worse. I also have to wonder if maybe the Essence of Woman is attempting to be too realistic with the butyric acid, perhaps there are other ingredients that are less offensively odored but contribute more to the sexual effect? Perhaps there are ingredients in this copulins product that promote hostility?