I am wondering if there is anyone out there that has tried any Androtic nol products. CTTM, Instant Honesty, Instant Openess, or alpha nol. I am particularly interested in the spray application of nol and how effective it may be. Sprays seem to have a better effect and range. I know that Soe ((yes I know there is some rone in Soe which skews results a tad)) can be very effective and I am very very impressed with the product. What I wonder is if its nol or the product and how a spray may actually give even better results! My guess is that this product combined with a little rone would beat soe due to the nature of it being a spray alone. I realize CTTM and Alpha nol are not sprays though. Still I am interested in hearing anyones perspective on how any Androtic Research nol product compares with Soe. Thanks.
I also do one offs of CTTM spray, but it does indeed look we’re moving back towards an oil format for that for production just to mix formats up a little, and try new things.
Instant Openness is mostly alpha nol, and that is a spray.
The fragrance package (or lack thereof) you choose for the sprays will have an effect. I’d say it’s actually paramount to how a spray will work, because of the fixation properties and sometimes the additional attributes they provide.
An essential oil package tends to dramatically increase the effects with people close to you. They are powerful behavior modifiers on their own. I love essential oils, but they are very weak diffusers. Worse, you have to use a plethora of surfactants with many of them, which makes them even weaker diffusers.
The synthesized (or refined rather, since they still contain natural components) fragrances tend to affect people in a much wider range. They have superior diffusive properties. Some also serve to modify behavior, but not as completely as whole (“essential”) oils.
Another attribute of a spray vs. an oil is surface area for diffusion. It is not that it’s merely alcohol which is more diffusive (this is temporary effect, anyway, lasting upwards of only about 15-20 minutes), but covering a greater surface area of skin and hair also leads to greater diffusion.
I never fail to space people out around me with Spaceland, which is a heavy ANOL based spray. Similar to alcohol, people react differently. Some people giggle (and are much more prone to laughter overall), others drop things, yet others go inside themselves and don’t show much outwardly.
With heavy ANOL, few can keep their public composure… almost everyone relaxes their barriers and inhibitions to some extent. Unlike alcohol, I’ve never seen heavy amounts of ANOL lead to provoke violent (or inwardly, a depressing or self-destructive) response.
Just wanted to give you some feedback, because I know it might take awhile for others to respond. I know you’ll get a lot more feedback to this question in time, after the products are out of prelaunch and more people actually have and use them.
does this mean that if i mix a pheromone product directly with an EO that i should expect just diminished diffusion or should i expect a diminished product? the reason i ask is that i was just about to make up a very small test batch of 9 drops vitamin e liquid and 1 drop -none to use as an after shave for my “boys” and i’m not concerned with diffusion there for obvious reasons, however, if it is not an efficient way to use the -none product i’ll think of something else.
also, i do have some androtics -nol products as well as SOE, just need time to try each of them out enough times to come to any particular conclusions.
I wouldn’t worry about diffusion down there. EOs will diffuse plenty for that area. In fact, the slower release is probably a benefit.
Did you get a scent package? If so, which one?
scent package?
i bought the spaceland nol and a spray beta nol along with a few others. have no idea about a scent package.
“i wouldn’t have got the package if you guys didn’t scent it”
badum ching. thanks folks i’ll be here all week. be sure to tip your waitress. 
Heh.
Yeah, Spaceland has it’s own scent package.
Hopefully if you didn’t specify a scent package for the others, you got one, anyway. Makes them work longer and better.
I think I may force a scent package option for the Instant line.
actually i didn’t specify a scent for any of them mainly because i wasn’t aware of their existence. the spaceland,beta nol and TAF all smell the same to me, so i’m assuming each were identically scented.
Okay, here’s what one user sent me in PM involving the original question here.
I’ll leave their name and personal details out, in case they wish to remain anonymous.
The CTTM-Mix 2 they’re talking about is a mixed product, not just beta-nol or alpha-nol. The form he received was a tester that was a spray on with the musky orange scent (where you smell mostly orange, not musk).
“I have been trying CTTM-M2 (scented Beta-Nol I think) and TAA and definitely like the results. With TAA use there are a few older women at work (45+) who seem to bring up sexual type info or try to talk about what kind of women I like for example. It is totally innocent and good natured but I really like how they see me as a sexual being and focus on me being an attractive guy even though I am probably only slightly above average looking.”
Then there’s some info about it feeling a bit like -none (power and respect wise) without the problems. Also, an issue with persistence that needs to be deal with on his particular unscented TAA spray.
He goes on:
“I also feel sometimes that TAA has an effect on me making me slightly more confident and extroverted - I sometimes say things that suprise me later on. Also I’ve noticed, especially at the start of testing of TAA, particularly within an hour of application of say 3-6 sprays of 10 mcg/spray to my face, that it made me feel hornier than normal although not as powerful as -None”
I am thinking that would make it a good mone for help in closing out a deal with a girl for example if I wanted to avoid -None.
[she might get hornier too I guess?]"
“I like CTTM-M2 in that I get people being more friendly with me without the ‘neurotic’ chattiness that Alpha-Nol seems to elicit. I haven’t seen too much confiding in me yet but have seen a little - perhaps this is because I haven’t added any Alpha-Nol to the mix to make them more chatty (like Auerlie said in the forum I think). Another thing with CTTM-M2 is that I dont get the mood lift that I get from SOE. The thing I love about CTTM-M2 over SOE is that I don’t get disrespected much from wearing it whereas when I was wearing SOE (without any -None) I would often have people laughing at me and just being treated like a wimp (though this would all be good-natured). I still get treated like a lightweight in the office when it comes to work-related matter (I wear no -None or -Rone) but there is no active disrespect towards me. Another thing I like about this over SOE is that I dont start acting like a clown and being goofy generally - with SOE I turn into too much of a comedian to make any solid ‘connections’ with people. Unlike TAA, this one feels like it lasts all day at 3 sprays in the morning.”
The orange scent in the CTTM he received obviously acts as a fixative for the pheromones and helps it to time release, unlike the unscented TAA he received.
The rest is probably too descriptive of himself to post here. It also goes into issues that have nothing to do with CTTM, so it’s best left out, anyway.
had my first opportunity to try the spaceland out last night with an intended “target”. i didn’t use it by itself because i knew this particular woman was about one week finished with her period so i was combining the Spaceland with three drops of -none which were split between my lower neck, inside of elbows and the last one for my boys.
my goal was to find out if the heavy -nol in Spaceland would in fact help her make the transition from pms bitch to being a woman again AND at the same time be enough to cover the 3 full drops of -none (which in most circumstances would be aggressive but hey i’m trying to catch the ovulatory bonus plan haha) anyway…
of course i greeted her at the door and within the first two minutes her demeanor was noticeably different than the way she came across on the phone only two or so hours before. on the phone she was tired, bored, stressed etc but within the first couple minutes of showing up here she was absolutely buoyant. we held our first hug for probably 90 seconds or more and from that point, it was on.
she was never more than three feet from me for the rest of the time, constantly provoking me with playful behavior and teasing (she is 31, with kids). she would come into my space for an embrace either from the front or put her arms around me from the back and then follow that with play wrestling/teasing etc for more aggressive contact. i’ve always been a hugger from childhood and last night the two of us were practically joined at the hip. once, while we were holding each other she started jumping up and down while her arms were around me, in an effort to get my dog riled up as if i was attacking her. while she was doing this i noticed her feet shift from us being toe to toe, she basically pulled my right leg in between her thighs and was, for all intents and purposes, humping my leg. her arms never left my waist while she was doing this.
it was certainly a promising first test of Spaceland and -none. i know from experience when each of these women i see are having their periods so i have a pretty good idea when to use -none and how much, around them anyway. the heavy dose of -nol in Spaceland showed some really positive mood elevating effects in the first live test but because of the woman i was with last night and mother nature, i had to throw some -none into the mix as well so i don’t have any -nol only info but last night was very very positive so when conditions permit, for example if i am stuck with one of them during her period, i will get my chance to put the 50mcg’s to use and see if it can hold its own against those evil bitches lol.
Now, now be nice… she’s not a bitch anymore than you’re a bastard. 
Just a fine young lady with a not-so-nice and transient affliction. Probably hurts her more than it does you.
I think the negatives of PMS are a positive force to nature itself (not to speak of Spinoza’s god or anything, but to speak more in the terms of evolutionary psychology ), and that’s as a relationship destroyer.
I say positive, because nature has this overwhelming need for us to mix up genes up, to make things rich and varied. It seems like nature will do anything in it’s power to prevent inbreeding, and create variety.
Encouraging men to philander and otherwise beautiful women to become raging infernos once a month is a way to achieve that goal, as distasteful as both may seem to us on conscious level.
As much as we may wish otherwise, I think our trillions of cells do sometimes have other ideas for us which we, as the brains of the joint, are in conflict with what we ourselves want and/or plan.
That said, I’m glad to hear about your results so far! Very promising.
You applied 50mcg of Spaceland (mostly anol), but do you know how many mcg of -none you applied?
i resemble that remark. the main significant difference is that i remain a stable bastard month in and month out. the full depth of my bastardness is readily apparent from the first meeting and does not fluctuate or go to extremes.
lol@raging infernos. some women seem to enjoy the week a month where they secretly get off on weilding the bitch power, as if they are continually held down and repressed and feel powerless and this is their chance for retribution. i will add however that i get regular phone calls and emails from each of my girlfriends, past and present, as well as my ex wife and that tells me that while i may, in fact, be a bastard, i am not a jerk.
no idea on the mcg’s of -none. the product was NPA and they were 3 actual drops out of the bottle, with the insert in place. your guess would be much more professional than mine and if you have any ideas on the actual mcg content i’d appreciate hearing it for future use considerations.
ok, i sought out the listed content of -none in NPA and that is .24mg/ml.
at the risk of having my very basic math conversion skills ridiculed, i think that makes for 240mcg’s per drop of -none. 
i used three drops totallling 720mcg’s -none and 2 sprays of the 50 mcg Spaceland.
of course, this doesn’t include the NPA “secret ingredient” which i believe is equal in mg/ml number to the actual -none in NPA, and it also doesn’t account for any of the NPA that remained on my finger and then perhaps washed down the sink/inadvertently rubbed into clothes/bottle cap etc.
that seems like a whooole lotta 'mones i was wearing, which will lead to either or 
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Ooops! You forgot to use the divider. .24mg/ml divided by x, x being the # of drops of diluent you get per ml.
I’ll guess that it’s more like 6-8 mcg per drop. So you may have been using 18mcg on the low end, and 24mcg on the high end, of whatever is in NPA. 9 to 12mcg of -none total, if the claim of 50% -none content is true.
i didn’t forget to use the divider, i didn’t know it was there
thanks for the assistance.
looking back on some of the first posts i read here, i do have more
faith now in the dosed product. maybe faith isn’t the right word, but perhaps a better understanding of why a dose may be necessary and beneficial.
just thinking about these calculations (basic as they may be for some), leads me to believe that we are probably 10 years or so away from the real "coming of age" for supplemental synthetic pheromone use.
i base that only on the seemingly incomprehensible number of combinations of pheromone products available multiplied by the number and accurateness of the hit reports that follow from their use in all the various stages of daily life, healthy or ill, fit or unfit, showered or not, depressed or happy, application points, and ultimately the incomprehensibly complicated task of observing and relaying information regarding the people that were either affected or not, etc.
i look for opportunities on a daily basis to experiment with each of the dozen or so pheromone products i have and ultimately what i really want is a product that makes all healthy cute petite blonde girls smile at me and i’ll do the rest. that’s not asking too much is it? 
speaking of cute blonde girls, i was scanning the MLS in my area today for possible investment properties in my neighborhood and i stopped at one house in particular because the agent was cute and blonde. naturally i emailed her about the house so that she would call me and when she did i kept her on the phone for a good while, talking about the house and my requirements etc. we set up a showing for tomorrow afternoon at that house and at least one other after that. the first house is only a couple of blocks away so i will be walking there to meet her and she will be driving me to the next house and bringing me home.
i’ve been waiting for an opportunity to try each of my androtics products solo but i can’t decide which will be my starter tomorrow and which ones will ride the bench.
as that quote wasn’t followed by any particular smiley, i will have to assume that you mean that in the same way you would ask if a mcdonalds hamburger is actually cow.
The lack of design in most products just blows me away.
Even a little bit of forethought of design helps a lot. People really took to the iPod.
There will probably be several.
According to Alvin Toffler’s observations, author of The Third Wave, we should hit our first revolution very soon. It’s about that time, after the introduction of Andron. No dount the revolutionary modular, dosed products we’ve designed, including ExperiMone for the more technical users, will help create a renaissance in pheromone experimentation and mixing.
Then, according to Toffler, it’ll be another 20-30 years for the next major wave. The really big one, with complete and total mass awareness (so for current users who worry about “too many people finding out”, well, I wouldn’t worry another few decades if I were you!) However, I think something like Moore’s law may kick in sooner than that for the technology itself, even if social awareness doesn’t.
Even the internet, as ubiqituous as it seems to us, isn’t everwhere yet, or even understood by much of the world’s population. (one reasons we give to charities like Trickle Up, to help the rest of the world get on the same page as first world countries)
Yes, there’s an amazing array of variables.
The observation and communication of effects, itself, I feel will help people better understand themselves and others better. The mental task alone of figuring “is it me or the pheromones?” can really build some incredible mental muscles over time.
Many first time users go in relatively unaware of their environment, of their own mind states and those of others… and after a short while, they start to become masters of observation, and sorting between what is “objective” and “subjective”. Becoming involved in pheromone usage and experimentation is incredibly healthy for your own psyche.
You can get that! It’s pretty easy. Here’s one mix of many mixes that will give that to you:
100mcg anol, 1-2 drops A314, 3 - 5mcg androstenone, and 1-2 sprays of Shine V1.
There’s simpler things you can do, too. A314 is a healthy girl magnet, and “plain ol’” ANOL can get the smiles.
I recommend Shine because it will make you feel great and smile, which automatically affects others through a behavioral feedback loop.
Extra androstenone is optional. I usually keep it pretty low myself.
Sounds like a good time.
I’d go as close to possible as what was mentioned above.
A314 provides incredible masculine warmth, and ANOL is the loosey goosey pheromone of choice (right now, anyway, as there’s another that will be coming up in the next year).
Shine also adds a lot to the good feelings, and seems to hint at sexuality to women (some users have noted that it has some of the positives of androstenone).
It’s also tough to truly OD on any of the above. Small amounts work, but high amounts don’t hurt.
I would avoid extra androstenone at all costs, unlike you have a microdose product, like MicroNone.
Usually you want to ramp up the androstenone over time… Maybe a 1-3mcg at first, then 5, then 7… that of thing…
slooooowly… turning… up… The Heat.
Even “Turn Up The Heat” should be relegated to a second or third meeting, preferably one that’s framed with at least some suggestion of personal interest. (even “would you like to go out for coffee later?” is enough to indicate interest beyond business)
that is part of what held me back during my first experiments with athena for men, really had no clue what to look for and no forums that i know of to gain insight and share information. i’ve always been naturally successfull with women, and until synthetic pheromones came around i didn’t bother to look into any subtle body language clues. it is still pretty hard to definetively isolate “hits” and be able to attribute them to a synthetic pheromone. i am not complaining, just realizing that i have been a magnet my entire adult life, not in the sense that any woman would see me across a room and say to herself “i’ve got to have that guy”, but, it is inevitable that women that i find attractive (not just pretty) end up close to me physically, if not mentally or emotionally.
i’m back from the showing now, i went with a total of 3 drops of A314 (1 split between my wrists and 1 drop to each side of neck) applied about 1 1/2 hours before i left. i used Pheros as a cover scent, though not applied directly over any A314 spot, but next to each.
i didn’t observe any unusual body language or speech, she is a real estate agent after all and they try to put on a good show to be friendly and helpful. she was probably a solid 7 out of 10, could be an 8 if she put on a few pounds, she really was rail thin but i will probably make an effort to get a taste anyway, at minimum she will be a new pheromone test subject and she knows i am planning on moving soon so i may get to find out if she has ever done it in a house she is showing to a potential buyer.
she now knows what i do for a living and where i am moving to and why i am moving there, if she liked me and the A314 then she is most certainly thinking about me right now and probably just a little bit intrigued, so i will expect an email or a call later today or tomorrow at the latest with a list of properties to show me. i will be surprised and just a little bit disappointed if only the real estate agent in her shows up, hopefully she wants me to bring the woman out .
Nice discussion of Toffler.
So is A314 immune from the negative effects of too much unenhanced 'rone? I seem to recall becoming invisible when I used too much of the chem-set rone (though it’s possible my recollection is wrong - was quite a while back)
Yes. Lots of error correction went into A314. A314 and rone couldn’t be more different.