I just stumbled upon this forum and see all this talk that I just dont understand.
Now my understanding was that pheremones are “scents” that people and animals give off… am I wrong there 
Your “chemical” senses are taste and smell. Unable to see, that’s how your very cells deal with the world around them.
You could say that the very basis of your physical life is taste and smell.
So, yes, you could say that pheromones are “smells”. Since they’re all around us, not everyone can smell them “consciously” however.
It’s sort of like air… do you ever stop to think about air consciously? It’s all around you. It’s so normal, you take it for granted.
Same thing with the lens on your eye… it’s always there, and you’re always looking through it, but you don’t stop to think about it, do you?
We take pheromones for granted, too. We all emit them, and they effect us all, whether we stop to think about it or not.
When we wash them off daily, that has an effect, too. You’ll notice that many cultures that wash less are a lot more sociable. Some, like France, are downright sexy and the amount of human scent there has a lot to do with it.
You can also make human pheromones in the lab, and supplement yourself with them, much as you supplement yourself with vitamins. You can work to regain some of “that social” magic you wash off daily, and even precisely tailor the social effects you want to create.
Just like you can pick and choose the colors of your clothing for self-expression, we’re now getting to the point where you can pick and choose your “pheromonal” colors for the day… or night.
Want to seem overly tough and masculine, like you have big muscles and you need something to do with them? Use a molecule called androstenone. Guys make lots of this naturally when they exercise.
Want to seem friendlier, and help everyone around you have a good time? Dig deep into their funny bone, maybe? Focus on alpha androstenol that day. It’s light and fun… a real joy.
Or just like you might want to wear black or a sensual red to give off a “sexy vibe”, there’s pheromonal blends for this, too.
Taking control over and CREATING your own “pheromone signature” is really a new frontier. It’s really exciting, and it can be tons of fun watching how others react to you.
Yeah some people can actually smell pheremones. One day I wore a high dose of Androstenone and this guy said I smelled like ass. So I brought it up in conversation with other people and they didn’t notice anything. Pheremones are real though, I’ve seen the effects.
For a good reference see if your local library has J. V. Kohl’s “Scent of Eros” book. He is a “real” scientist/researcher.
MHarris of this forum is also a knowledgeable source.
Just don’t believe everything you read on/in some of those ads.
Well, when it comes to believing… Seeing is believing=) I just tested out instant shine and it seems to elevate my mood and smells pretty good too. SOE is pretty good and I found that it makes me laugh alot. I’m wondering what Androtics has as their own version of NOL to match up against SOE and if it is stronger.
By the way, what are the different types of NOL’s, what are their effects and does Androtics carry them all in their shop?
For alpha nol focused products, we have Instant Openness and Spaceland.
Instant Openness is a more refined alpha nol type effect, more communication than “craziness” oriented, whereas Spaceland is flat out fun.
Right now, anybody that wants it, can get Instant Openness at double concentration as a free upgrade (30mcg pheromone content per spray, 25 of which are ANOL). It’s like twice the engine, but with half the gears. Just tell us in the order comments.
I’ll make this the norm if nobody minds, but our products are very modular right now. Meaning that they’re designed to make mixing easy. It’s good having smaller doses available to make intricate mixes with.
Spaceland is 50mcg alpha androstenol (ANOL) per spray, a proprietary pheromone, and a euphoric essential oil package.
Both double-strength Openness and Spaceland are “stronger” than SOE. You get 4,000mcg ANOL per bottle of SOE vs. 5,000 mcg ANOL (6000 mcg total pheromone content) in Instant Openness. There’s 10,000mcg ANOL total in a bottle of Spaceland.
There’s alpha androstenol, which was used commercially as far back as Jovan’s Andron 1 in 1982. It’s fun, light, giddy.
Alpha nol makes some people chatty, sometimes uncontrollably so. It is the pheromone that’s making you laugh in the formula you mentioned above. It helps creates a large QUANTITY of communication.
Large doses of ANOL could be described as champagne like… they make you feel a little loose and happy.
Alpha androstenol is found to some degree in almost all of our products, but especially Instant Openness, Spaceland, the new Come Talk To Me mixes, Instant Sexiness (for women), and Lust After Me (for women). We’re also working on another fun mix that uses alpha nol called “Social Fabric Softener”.
Beta androstenol is ours, and was introduced several years back in our original “Come Talk To Me” product.
It’s character is very different than alpha nol. It’s very intimate. People feel like an old pal around you, and say things you’d never expect them in a million years to reveal. It’s involved in QUALITY of communication.
This is also used in a good number of our products, but plays a major role in Instant Honesty, many Come Talk To Me mixes (including Come Talk To Me Mix 2 which is on the store), and the upcoming Truth Serum.
Thanks for your questions. 
Let me know if there’s anything else you want to know.
Thanks for the informative reply! I have IFM, IS and IO so far. I haven’t tested out much yet as I just got them, although I do say that IS does make me feel good. Especially when I walked to work yesterday in the cold biting wind, I had a smile on my face the entire time as if I found it amusing. Interesting the effects of IS. I do not think I’d want a double concentration at the time as it seems more is not necessarily better. I used to put on alot, at least when it came to Androstenone (my favorite) as it did get the job done.. it could be a scary combo, which I did not care as much, though it gave a deep sexual vibe off. So for IFM,IS and IO what are the recommended average amount of sprays most of you suggest are good to start off with?
You mentioned the Beta and Alpha nol’s, I’ve also heard of another NOL which isn’t really mentioned and its “-dienol” version that I heard of on another forum awhile back. What is that?
You’re welcome. Glad to be of service.
IS is really interesting. How many sprays did you use and where did you apply it?
It’s just such a great effect. I personally love it. You may notice that women who know you well enough to comment on “changes” may remark on how good they feel around you, too.
Shine takes a large role in a new attraction oriented mix I’ve been working on for men.
Androstenol and androstenone are very different animals. You can wear tons of androstenol without problems, whereas using too much androstenone is easy.
The only real problem with increasing the per spray strength of openness is that it makes some mixes harder.
For instance, let’s say you wanted to do a 1:1 Openness to androstenone.
With the 1X Openness, you can easily do that. 1 Spray openness gives you 15mcg.
But with the 2x openness, you’d be running 30mcg at 1 spray, and normally, you wouldn’t want to use 30mcg -none. That’s just far too much. So you can’t easily do a 1:1 Openness To -None with the double strength, as you can now.
I’m just interested how many people care about using such ratios vs. strength of effects. I don’t mind increasing the strength of Openness; all it’ll do is make it more “open”. There’s no “OD” risk, per se - it just makes small ratios for mixes harder.
I’ll let others answer, but I will say that a popular mix right now is 3 sprays Instant Openness (the 1x version you have) to 3 sprays Shine.
I also like 6 sprays Openness 1X to 4 sprays Shine for a powerful “on top of the world” effect.
You can use either mix above, with 1 or 2 sprays of IFM to the wrists or back of the head, if you want to have a really brilliant effect on women specifically.
You’ll likely see lots of mixes emerge with time. I think people are still getting used to the modularity and ease of use. If anyone reading this has some interesting mixes already, I’d love to see 'em.
I used 3 sprays of Instant Shine. 2 sprays on the neck.. thats an area I usually apply to.. and 1 spray just alittle lower to the chest as when I wear button up shirts I like to leave the first 2 top buttons undone for alittle chest exposure. I also spread the fluid sprayed on my neck with my finger and rubbed some under my nose and around my nostrils so I could get a very direct first experience of the IS used on me.
I loved the smell of the IS, and I do not know how to describe it though it smells like a very good cologne. I’d have to say that the scent is “subtly powerful,” if that makes any sense. The best way I can explain it is that it does not directly assault your senses like some strong colognes, but when exposed to it for a few seconds it slowly creeps up on you. The thing is is the cologne scent of Instant Shine also stayed with me all night and I actually had to wash with soap a few times before I could eradicate the scent. It has good staying power I’d say.
What is type of intended attraction for this new formula and how will it compare to others already out?
I like the strength of effects, because I like experiences that are a bit overwhelming. So what you are getting at is if you increase the dosage of openness, that it may drown out the other pheremone and make mixing ratios harder like with -none? I care about ratios, only to the fact that it would be a ratio that could work out to achieve maximum effects though.
Do you find that the combination of IS/IO with IFM counter-acts that calmness it induces?
Nice application strategy.
Good, I’m glad you like it.
It was designed by the world’s top fragrance house to be both subtle (not have a lot of obvious or potentially offensive scent) and highly diffusive (to take the pheromone molecules from your skin to the air around you in a nicely formed pheromone cloud).
Not everyone loves it, but very few dislike it - which is important. In fact, most of the people who really like it are women, which isn’t bad at all. (women tend to be much more scent sensitive than men)
Another design goal was to have the ability to hide potentially offensive pheromone odors… that’s why the main note is ‘citrus’. Citrus is one of the best way of hiding ofefensive odors, that’s why the latest trend in room deodorizers is with “orange oil”. At the same time, it uses the classiest (and most expensive) version of citrus around - Neroli.
It is used in a quantity which allows it to be used in most ‘fragrance free’ environments on almost all skin types.
We’ve recently considered doubling the % used, since it is so nonoffensive and really helps the pheromones do their job effectively. I know we’ve done that for some customers already, and may make it a standard if nobody objects. It should still be low enough to allow mixing with your own colognes, the major benefit being that it will allow for a “longer release”.
Wow, that’s unusual. Most people report not being able to smell very well after dry down (which takes about 15 minutes).
It actually concerns me a bit, because of the goals I stated above. I basically want something to extend the release of and enhance the effects of the pheromones, but step aside so people can basically go “scent free” or use their own colognes.
I mostly do “bottom up design” with pheromones, because we’re still at the beginning of the frontier of pheromonal science. We only have around 20 pheromones in our pallette, not all of which are fully understood.
Bottom up design is akin to “jamming” with a band to create a song cooperatively, working with the innate skills of each member vs. instead of hearing a full orchestra in your head and writing out sheet music. Sure, of course I do some “top down” (visionary) type design, as well, but what I’m saying is mostly work with what I have.
I create lots of mixes, have people test them, and see what they do. I hate to guess, or to insist that a certain mix does X, when in fact, testers are getting a different result entirely.
The new mix has a general (top down/visionary) goal of attraction and attention getting, mostly because the bulk of my previous mixes focused on improving daily life. I wanted to revolutionize pheromones, since I thought there was an excessive and unwarranted sex focus.
Now that that’s complete, I’m setting my sights on improving night life… helping to fulfill the fantasy that most pheromone products are marketed as, but never really deliver upon.
The mix that’s working really well is very light and fun. You could say that it fits the goal of being “cocky & funny” very well.
It actually has an internal drive mechanism that works to DRIVES you to go out and socialize. To get out of the house, and have fun. To explore, and go on social adventures.
It’s actually a great thing for me, personally, as I’ve worked too much the past few years to really hit the “night life” circuit much. (no wonder most of my mixes work to improve ‘everyday life’!)
As I do so myself, I’ll have ample opportunity to make prospective mixes firsthand, to see exactly how they work, before sending off batches to testers.
I’m trying to get some of the best "PUA"s (Pick Up Artists) in the industry involved in testing, too, as tools used to help them catalyze their “game”. The only issue here is that it’s mostly a closed, sort of narrow minded community with too much testosterone to stop and listen. They think everything new is a scam, so there’s a barrier.
I know what I need to do is physically access these guys in person, and wear a nice A314 based mix. I can’t say enough how that ALWAYS works to create some rather miraculous social feats. I’m always pleasantly surprised, and sometimes even a little shocked, at how much influence I have in face to face situations.
I’m just saying you can’t do 1:1 Openness to -None. Nothing about drowing it out, as 25 or 30mcg of nol isn’t at the a point where it’ll drown out -none… but it does leave you with less mixing options, that is all.
Most people won’t care, but some will. I wish the ones that will would speak up, but so far, no responses (I started another thread asking about how “strong” people preferred their instant Openness)
You basically trade more power for less flexibility. I’m not sure it matters as much with alpha androstenol as it does with other pheromones. With something like -none, you really want to be able to apply small, controlled amounts.
The calmness of IFM that you reported?
I think adding IS and IO will only improve the subjective quality of IFM. It’ll add a confident, feel good “coolness” to it, rather than a calm.
I get more of a “rosy, romantic halo” from IFM, more than a subjectively felt calm… although I do treat women more gently with “kid gloves” when wearing IFM, so I suppose that is a sort indicator of “calm”.
Wow I didnt expect such detailed responses, thanks guys!
Thats alot of information to digest, but Im getting through it all and hopefully I’ll be speaking like all you pro’s soon
Well that is the first time I ever tried the scent, now that I’ve worn it alittle more, the cologne smell has died down alittle bit. I think like you said the thing that gave the cologne its strength was its diffusive properties. It was a light smell, but it diffuses in clouds so greatly that it had a sort of strong undertone to it. Considering I’m someone who sweats more than the average person as well; I do work out and drink lots of water.
Thats good, most of the time I’d use alot of -none, though it really is a hit and miss because of what it does. What you described sounds alot like what Instant Shine does in a way.
I know Ross Jeffries used to have this oil called “Dusty Lucky’s Fuck Oil.” lol. Not sure what happened to it on his website though. What PUA’s were you looking at? The only person I could think of is Ross.
Ohhh ok. What I meant about calmness is like what you indicated. When I think of the calmness.. its more like the type of cool and collected feeling like a “Bad Guy” will have like in the movies whenever he does anything ease, the way he takes his time and speaks in a slower comfortable effortless manner. More like a cool and collected in control feeling.
Hi Sam, what phero’s do you have and any experiences or anything to post? I’m kinda new to this and would love to hear from you=)
Im new too, hi to all!
I find this topic very very interesting but also very technical with all the jargon going around here.
same here, IS doesn’t smell like a very good cologne to me but more like a peculiarly fascinating musk. i keep sniffing and sniffing and sniffing…
personally, IFM combined with IS is remarkable. this is hands down my favorite one two punch out of any synthetic pheromones i’ve tried.
they’ve started a process of defining products and synthetics for this very reason, just hold your pointer over any blue text and you’ll see it. when you understand what the 3 or 4 main synthetic pheromones are everything else should fall right into place.
Also: go to the SmartMones store site and read it over. You’ll see the various abbreviations that are often used as shorthand for various products. You will see some abbreviations here for products that AREN’T made by Androtics, which can be confusing, but I’m thinking of doing up a thread that will list some of those abbreviations for the benefit of all (not just “newbies”).
The “hover” feature is still being implimented, and may not cover all the different terms you are likely to find here.
And I have to admit some of us are being lax in our use of abbreviations and I know I myself sorta need to “shape up.” “IS” is being used a lot here for “Instant Shine” but it could be confused with “Instant Sexiness.” We should all probably get into the habit of using the “correct” abbreviations/codes ie in this case “IShine.” And for products not sold/made by Androtics especially, we should probably spell out the names in full. eg AE= Alter Ego, NPA= New Pheromone Additive, etc.
It helps a lot if others who read over our posts can understand what the %@&*!~^ we are talking about…
This thread is great, thanks guys!
Im learning all this myself.. its tough getting started!