Special K's journal

Field Reports & Anecdotal Experience Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports
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Perhaps that’s the fact. Pheromones do not neutralize socially defensive responses. I have the awareness that there are more than a few people who liked me better without pheros; they feel upstaged, I think. Some of them are ambivalent, some don’t have mixed feelings at all, they are purely jealous and deal with it in their own way.

Don’t discount your intuitive sense of context. Perhaps when you begin to sense you are “having a bad day” you can ask the people in your social group to give you some feedback – be as direct as you are comfortable being and ASK for the honest feedback.

Better is to isolate someone, one-on-one (“Can you do me a favor, I need to talk to you for a minute?”) so they will know you want honest feedback, face to face. You don’t have to talk about pheromones ("I’ve been experimenting with some personal changes … ") specifically.

And ask yourself: When you are having a great day … like a quarterback who hits 13 out of 15 passes … a “day 2” do you share the limelight with others or do you ‘consume’ all of the shine? If you’ve been feeling starved of the “day 2” sense of release and pleasure and satisfaction, it may be tempting to just soak it in.

But it might be, strategically, in your long-term best interest to invest some of that in your posse. Share the wonderful sense. Be SURE to introduce your friends to the girls you’ve met, be an enabler, make things happen for others. When you have a set of HBs before you, talk up your buds – and be specific, not generic (“X is a great guy”) … be able to say something about a recent accomplishment even if it might be silly (“He just broke ‘Stairway to Heaven’ on Guitar Hero and we are out celebrating his victory.”)

The most self-confident guy in the group has the poise to say good things about others and not feel threatened in comparison.

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Good advice MarkL. Thanks for caring and sharing!

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Thanks for that, MarkL.

If I may add something. Whether things work out with girls, if you follow MarkL’s advice, your friends are likely to be even more loyal to you.

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So you applied some at night, and again in the morning? Androstenone takes a LONG time to fade and doesnt just wash off. You need to scrub with an alpha-hydroxy product and some baking soda if youre going to do stuff like that.

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Reps to MarkL for a great comment. The path to leadership is not taking the credit and not waiting for people to ask for a favor.

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Nah I applied some on Friday, and again this Monday morning. I see where you got mixed up though, Day 5, Day 6. I’m only recording days on when I apply phero’s - a little confusing, my bad. Saturday & Sunday were Phero-free days.

Thanks for the advice MarkL, I’ll definitely take what you said on board

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Day 7

Application: 3 x Instant Openness. Application points: 2 x hair, 1 x neck.
Application time: 8:00am

Well today was a shit load better :slight_smile: I thought I’d just keep it nice and simple and go with the tried and true, and sure enough people were pretty chatty. Something I’m beginning to notice with Instant Openness is it doesn’t always just generate a conversation out of nothing, perhaps sometimes, but more often than not it’s an enhancer! I struck up a conversation with a couple of friends in study today and we must have been talking for a good half hour, just on all the good times we’d shared over the past few years. Every time it died down, someone else bridged, and that perhaps is where the phero’s were kicking in I guess.

In a normal day it’s quite comical to watch how when a conversation dies off and nobody bridges between topics everyone seems so disappointed, but often nobody bothers to re initiate, perhaps because they can’t think of anything to say, I dunno.

I was supposed to go into work today, which is my usual test environment for A314, but I found out I’m not rostered on for the next week, which works for me because I’ve gotta study for exams coming up.

Anyway, I’m glad things are sorta back to normal, I think I might just see out the year (I’ve only got another 2 days) with Instant openness and shine. After Day 6 (Monday) I’m a little scared of Ammunition :stuck_out_tongue: Crikey I was in such a state all that day. I think musing back, and taking on board what you said MarkL, that it might have been a combination. I wouldn’t put mind games a scheming past a few in my circle, but perhaps I accentuated the problem with my seeming androstenone induced edginess.

Regards guys, thanks for reading my journal!
J

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Nice… keeping it simple w/ just the openness.

I love using it with Shine.

+reps man, keep the logs comin

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I think that’s key! Subcommunication happens on so many other levels than just olfactory. Voice tonality, eye contact, posture, speech, social intelligence … to name a few. When your other venues of communication are congruent with the pheromones you’re using, the effects will most likely be much greater!

I’m by no means an expert on this stuff, but I’d think that Ammunition is much better used in environments where you can get more intimate with women. Like spray some on your bedsheets if you’re having a girl come over, or maybe apply some on the neck if you’re going out clubbing and plan to spend alot of time on the dancefloor, or if you’re looking for a one-nighter. And then go with Instant Openess in “normal” social situations (school, work, bar, Starbucks), it’ll help you open and keep up a conversation, so you can have enough time to convey your character/personality via the other venues of communication.

Remember that pheromones alone won’t get you where you want to go, but they might smoothen the ride and remove some obstacles … from what I’ve read anyway. I just got my first order, can’t wait to try 'em out! :smiley:

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Special K! I think your doin’ great keeping this log. Don’t give up on the ammo. I had some probs with TUTH when I tried wearing it socially and I’m a lot older. It settled down after awhile, I also think wearing it with IH helps give me the heightened awareness that I like from -none without the edginess. Self effects have diminished for me somewhat but not completely. Keep up the good work!

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Alright, no more days from now on, this will be periodically updated.
The last days of term were filled with plotting. I have deduced that a particularly devious associate was freezing me out.

If you’ve ever read Robert Greene’s 48 laws of power then this associate is the ‘hopelessly insecure type’. He’s an interesting character to observe, has a harem of 2 or 3 girls who are pretty crazy about him, and yet he’ll never actually start dating any of them. He’s only interested in power. In fact, next to yours truly he’s the most power hungry man I’ve ever met. When I first started wearing my instant openness I had a huge boost in popularity, everyone wanted to know me. It’s clear to see now that he didn’t take to this kindly, I was stealing his fire so to speak.

He’s a devious manipulator and a natural brilliant at much of what he puts his mind to, but he lacks social intelligence, and burning ambition. It’s hard to explain… He’s smart, but not intelligent, hence the hopelessly insecure side of him.

Basically he’s begun yet another round of freeze out(he’s done it many times in the past 10 years or so that I’ve know him).

His right hand man - We’ll call him X, who is somewhat a friend of mine is in on it… However probably a bit reluctantly, as he still tries to talk to me when devious associate isn’t around. I pick up on this through the little things such as:

Me: What time are we going to the gym tonight?
X: Dunno if were going (looks anxious, I read body language to tell he’s uncomfortable answering that)

Of course he was going, we always go! I just was not invited this time round :wink:

Me: So **** party eh?
X: Yeah
Me: We all on
X: Yeah man
later…
Me: So what time are you guys heading over? (Probe question that he usually responds with: Do you wanna ride?)
X: Were all already there.

Although it’s only those two who are purporting it, my prolonged absence from social outings with the rest of the group, and troubled body language has had the desired effect that the freeze out intended - I just wasn’t pleasant to be around.

I find these social interactions pretty interesting, I’m gonna be honest, I’m not upset by this. I’m a serpent with a long memory, and one day I’ll have my revenge, but for now it’s all smiles. I’ve got two months now free of interaction with this guy. On the cards are to get my drivers license, a car, and possibly a new job working in a record store (old job is a bit temperamental over the holiday period)

A314 is set to become my daily application. So far I’ve only tried application of 2 drops, over the next fortnight I will experiment with varying the application to 3 drops, and back to 2 drops, to see if there is a marked difference. I really love the effects of A314, quality product. I will report on any interesting happenings.

Regards & cheers for reading my journal
J

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As your quote suggests, never think about revenge.

Tater never competes. Tater isnt the life of the party. Tater IS the party. Everyone else is along for the ride.

Its not about power to control or over anyone. Its about the grace to be generous and kind even to someone who just betrayed you, the mercy to put others needs first because you can muster up a little love for just about anyone, the faith to hope and believe the best for everyone and the internal fortitude to be yourself and let the chips fall where they may.

You cant be frozen out if youre whats worth being warmed up to. Im not recommending cockiness or ego, just asking why you care enough to waste even a moment thinking about competing to belong in a social clique.

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What’s wrong with revenge? It’s not burning, it’s cold. In the fridge if you will, like a good marinade. I think you’re right though, I shouldn’t bother wasting my time.

I’m not losing sleep dude, I just feel that people who intentionally disrespect me, and my time for that matter should at some point come to the realization of their blunder. Fueled by ambition, I’ll go confidently towards my goals, and when I have conquered there will be time to clean out the fridge, that’s all I’m saying. By succeeding, those who wished my downfall suffer just by the nature of my success

Respect though - You’ve got a novel and refreshing way of looking at things man.

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If you have power there is little need for revenge. Tater expressed this eloquently in his way. Revenge is directed by the actions of others. If one’s thoughts are occupied by revenge then they are controlled by others.

Tater’s post bears very careful study. There is wisdom hidden there.

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Excellant post GW and Tater.

I agree, The true alpha male dosnt need revenge. He is the one with the power.

Your best revenge would be no revenge at all. Be the Alpha.

To me these 2 seem to have self esteem issues which automatically DLV. By getting revenge your stooping to there lower value. Nope you dont need to go there because your the man in charge. The attitude to have is much the same as the ones you learn from studing your PUA gurus. Human nature is the same for men and women. Once they see it dosnt effect you and you really have no need for them suddenly they will be calling you.

This is what Tater means by “be the Party”

Tisha

Great reports Special K Love your journal :wink: reps

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Okay, everybody has already said most of this, but I’ll have another try here. Focus on this wisdom from the Tot-man for a moment, please:

I see the whole revenge thing as Karma. What goes around comes around. Live by the sword, die by the sword. That kind of stuff.

As others have urged, I want to be above the fray, above the petty games, and live my own life the best I can. My own decisions are the real stuff of my life - the rest is just a movie I may have once seen.:roll_eyes:

By even thinking about revenge (and storing it up for later), you lower yourself to their level. What they did, or even what they do, is of no matter to an alpha male. It’s only about you. You’ll get the best Karmic result (for your own soul) by staying out of their games.

Fact is, I honestly think “watching” the comeupence that just happens to others, especially those who attempt to damage me, WITHOUT MY INVOLVEMENT in any response, is most times the cruelest thing I can do.

If I’ve forgiven them immediately, and moved on, and THEN they get a Karmic sword, I don’t have any guilt. If they get whacked before I’ve forgiven them, then the sword hurts me, too. :frowning:

So, releasing the pain is my focus, and forgiving is my first tool preference, for the long run. When, ten years from now, you think back on what’s going on now, and where each of the current players are with their lives in ten years, you’ll see they each got exactly what they chose.

We’re just trying to help you to choose wisely, if you are ready for it.

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Thanks for the advice guys, I’ll definitely take what your saying under consideration. I know there’s wisdom in what you’re saying. :slight_smile:

I’m worried that perhaps you guys took what I was saying about revenge a little to literal. I believe that succeeding is the best revenge. By that I guess I almost mean what you’re telling me? By succeeding no thought needs to be given to the person who wronged you, you can forget all about them. All you need to do is succeed and it comes back to bite them on the ass - they wished your downfall and now they have received the opposite. Satisfaction is to be had in this is it not? One can entirely let the incident go, wish the man well on his journeys, and go on to succeed. The man who wronged knowing ‘I have wished this guy’s downfall, would it not be great to see this guy fail’ can receive only strife when one succeeds in accomplishing one’s goals.

That’s all I meant

On a side note, is anyone here actually a Buddhist? Gone with the Wind your sig seems somewhat familiar. Anyway, I keep hearing this word Karma. In the long long term (if you’re spiritual) I see the benefit in the western interpretation of this. But by past experience, I’ve come to see that it largely just allows people to walk all over you - Especially in the competitive world of business which is my future field of vocation. The eastern interpretation (from whence the term came) however, is worth a good look in.

I spent roughly a year studying eastern religion, specifically Buddhism. I came to see that the actual meaning of ‘kamma/karma’ (pali/sanskrit) is not so entirely fatalistic as we are led to believe in the west, simply the law states as it was told that every action has a consequence. They teach that if you plant the seed of anger, you will grow an anger tree. But it is also said that not every seed that’s planted comes to fruition. :wink: Let me illustrate my interpretation as such through a fictional example:

Let’s say I’m a manager of this MN firm - Johnny Smith has been falling behind in his productivity of late, in comparison to his efficiency and work output when he first began. Upon probing for any underlying emotional issues (family problems, marital, death, whatever) nothing is dug up. I then hound Johnny Smith up a bit for having what essentially seems to be a bit of a slack work ethic.

Does Johnny a: Realise the error of his ways, pick his guts up and work to the same level of his fellow employees?

Or b: Take what I’ve have told him impartially, as a personal attack, bottle up his anger and maraude off back to his office to let his disgruntled mood progress?

Truth be told, it would probably largely depend on how I handled the situation. But also it would probably have a lot to do with the kind of person Johnny Smith is. Up until that point I might have little understanding of the inner tickings of J. Smith, all I’m seeing is a lack in productivity without any suitable explanation.

When applied to the western interpretation of Karma, one would have to say telling off Johnny would come back to bite me on the ass. But what if Johnny took on board the message of what I was saying to him? What if he improved his work ethic and productivity and began pulling his weight as a consequence. Then again he might not, he might be caught slapping the thigh of a co-worker just next week, munching on an excessive amount of donuts, and losing that report I asked him to file.

Life just isn’t that fatalistic in my opinion. Every action is influenced by the consequences of a previous action, and every action taken has an effect - Who are we to say whether it will be good or bad? That is a matter of circumstance.

Kamma, every action has a consequence, cause and effect.
I’m gonna go slap on some A314

Regards & Respect
J

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Hey, anybody that’s a fan of the 48 Laws of Power is cool with me. Good journal m8.

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Not a Buddhist or any other religous label. I’ll take wisdom where I can find it, even the Maha Prajna Paramita Hridaya Sutra.

How’s this for a different take on karma? If you smack Joe on the nose, and Joe and you are the same guy, then the pain you administered is EXACTLY equal to the pain you felt.

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Interconnectedness? Maybe I’ll re-examine the idea in a few years. Mr. Wind I have to confess, I’m prone to the idea nowadays that reality is subjective, circumstantial.

I admire someone who peruses the shelves rather than signs up immediatly to a subscription though _b

It’s funny life, I think it may just be largely swimming in circles. We sit here, all we’re trying to do is understand it a little better, progress a little further, do it all a little better. For some people they’re content to just have a solid income and a family, for them that’s worth more than the lifestyle of a millionaire (not to say they don’t indulge the idea in a weekly lottery ticket). For others, they will not be stopped untill we have achieved what we set out to do right to the very top they climb. For a demographic there’s nothing to do except collect the welfare cheque every Thursday. Ambition, focus, goals. I think they may really in the end just be a distraction. But it’s a distraction that I’m comfortable to oblige for now, unfortunatly much of it is direct contradiction to much of what I once thought of as law.

Regards man
J