Special Orders Not Accepted...

[Jasmin]

Until further notice for any customers who’ve been with us for less than 1 year, unless otherwise authorized by me. Aside from private and academic researchers, only those enthusiasts positing explicit, helpful feedback with dosage based mix details will be authorized.

There has been an excessive amount of custom orders lately from newbies, and it’s starting to create an undesirable backlog that prohibits serious researchers and enthusiasts who depend on us. It only inhibits our own R&D. It takes time to create custom and advanced products correctly, and we’re not going to sacrifice quality for quantity.

Anyone who does not understand the time, effort and expense required to customize products or create cutting edge molecules is not authorized to order from the Advanced Category, or request customization.

**We have ample easy to use and quick to ship consumer products in the Men’s and Women’s categories to service those with an average or “normal” interest in pheromones. Please start with these, until you’re serious about moving to the next level (and sharing your results).

Please remember, we’re currently focused on R&D more than we are high volume sales. We’re on a mission here to develop pheromone technology. The cart comes after the horse here. Our current business model is not geared toward creating custom products for those new to pheromones, nor does it serve them.

Please understand that customization, putative pheromones and advanced product is not a profit center for us, but is intended as learning center. Since our inception it has been our goal to further the art and science of pheromoning to an actual technology. The Advanced Category services and products were never meant to be offered to the novice marketplace.

Again, please understand – Our current forum and the “Advanced” part store is geared exclusively to the serious enthusiastic segment of the marketplace, not the consumer with an interest in easy to use product that ships quick.

We do not want to discourage those who are serious from joining us in this learning adventure, but, please... New and curious pheromone users should concentrate on consumer products first and foremost to get a feel for how pheromones work, before moving onto advanced formulation.

Those who are serious quickly gain advanced user status with a little dedication and effort, but it doesn’t happen instantly and effortlessly. It’s a LOT easier to run after you learn how to walk!

Thank you for understanding.

Warmest regards,
Jasmin

[tisha23]

Bump (should be a sticky)

[Jasmin]

Custom orders include anything under the “Advanced” section of the store.

Modified consumer products also apply.

[idle]

This large amounts are mainly from the forum posts.
A first time customer comes and what does he sees?:
“I got a great hit from MX1000” (for example)
and he orders it without knowing what it does actually.

Suggestion:
I would suggest to make a new private forum(something like A314 Insider’s Club)
where people with exp. will post there about the putatives and custom mixes.
This way the new ones wont read the results from them.

[tisha23]

Its true Idle alot of people still suggest advanced products to the new people. There will be 2 sections of the store soon which will solve that problem. This way they can read about them and learn about mones but the wont be able to just order them without experience. Jasmin has posted 1 year with androtics but I am not sure if they will stick to that or not. It may go on a case by case basis for the forum members.

An “express store” with stock only items is being built, so normal consumer orders (and perhaps in-stock MX) orders will never be affected by the custom order queue. This is a big one in many ways. For example, new customers rarely understand just how long it takes to build custom products, and really need to start with simple, tested consumer products to get their feet wet. A new, streamlined store will better help to keep things separate. The Androtics still will remain the exclusive store of more advanced users.

Tisha

[bubblebob]

But having the newbies read about all these cool putatives and experimental mixes without them being able to order them for a year - wouldn’t that be a case of unnecessary cruelty? I mean seriously - had I come here without any knowledge about pheros, had read about all these cool products that promise great results and I would have to read ‘No bb, you can’t have them!’, I’d go ‘WTF!’…

[mockingbird]

I ordered a bottle of default TAA (2.5mcg no scent) last week since the thread haven’t been posted yet.
Is it more work for Jasmin to change a order (receiving + changing + verifying…) or to make that TAA?
thx

[SteveO]

@NancysBoy

I looked at both the ToGo size and the 30 ml sizes of AMMO in the store, and I cannot see a “v 1.5” in the store.

Can you explain a little more of what you ordered, please?

V1.5 can be ordered by including that you want V1.5 in the order comments when ordering Ammo. The only difference between Ammo V1 and V1.5 is V1.5 has Ishine built into the product and no this is not a custom or advanced order. You will be fine ordering it.

@bubblebob

But having the newbies read about all these cool putatives and experimental mixes without them being able to order them for a year - wouldn’t that be a case of unnecessary cruelty? I mean seriously - had I come here without any knowledge about pheros, had read about all these cool products that promise great results and I would have to read ‘No bb, you can’t have them!’, I’d go ‘WTF!’…

To some extent I understand what you are saying as I myself have been a member for less than one year. I believe in the spirit of research you either post extensively about the products you have and the compounding you have done or you have to wait a year.

I’m pretty certain that what will come out of this though is after an order or two, Jasmosis will throw in a test vial of an MX. If the user posts then maybe another couple of testers to try and post. Then MX will open up to that user.

Next thing you get is a tester of P?? and then the process begins with the P series. If no posts of value then you wait a year. Androtics is doing us a favor by selling at a big loss and they could just say OK your all qualified to buy, but instead of $40 it’s $300 and BTW there are no refunds because no one has tested this and we are not even sure it will work.

Personally I’d rather have some frustrated new users posting like mad to get the respect of the elders on the forum. Respect is earned and that eliminates the fear of nonsensical posts. Hey PXX did this for me when really it does nothing for no one. Bang-you’re a miscreant!

@mockingbird

I ordered a bottle of default TAA (2.5mcg no scent) last week since the thread haven’t been posted yet.
Is it more work for Jasmin to change a order (receiving + changing + verifying…) or to make that TAA?
thx

I’m not certain how these new rules will affect those orders already in place. I will try and contact Jasercize about this for you and post back when I have a clear answer.

[bubblebob]

That procedure would definitely make sense, Steveo! There’s just one tiny little problem with this: Users could start writing imaginary reviews (oriented on other people’s reviews for this product) just to gain the right to order advanced products. That could bring a lot of trouble while evaluating the effects, right? And there’s no possibility to make sure the review is trustworthy…

[SteveO]

@bubblebob

That procedure would definitely make sense, Steveo! There’s just one tiny little problem with this: Users could start writing imaginary reviews (oriented on other people’s reviews for this product) just to gain the right to order advanced products. That could bring a lot of trouble while evaluating the effects, right? And there’s no possibility to make sure the review is trustworthy…

Good point BubbleBob, but in my vision of the world you send off something like a tester MXAAA instead of MX103. Now the researcher to be has no idea what MX series he/she has. They have to post based solely on their own experience.

Anyway this is just a vision I have shared with Jasmin, but who knows how she will impliment it.

[Elevation]

@bubblebob

That procedure would definitely make sense, Steveo! There’s just one tiny little problem with this: Users could start writing imaginary reviews (oriented on other people’s reviews for this product) just to gain the right to order advanced products. That could bring a lot of trouble while evaluating the effects, right? And there’s no possibility to make sure the review is trustworthy…

Not only that, but I think the board will be flooded with repetitive threads.

I’m probably in the minority, but the only reason I don’t post results more often than I do is because my testing has been largely relegated to the Instant line, and the results of those products are already pretty well documented. I always feel like I would be just reiterating what has already been posted many times before–Shine makes people happy, Instant Openness makes people chatty, etc. I feel that way every time I see an “Ammo makes the girls horny!” thread. I have trouble getting through threads like that sometimes because my ADD brain is going “I know that already”.

I appreciate what Androtics is saying with re: to posting results on the forum about under-researched molecules, and they want to make sure that they send these bottles to people who will help them further their research. And the only way they’ll know you’re one of those people is to post and post…but personally I would be more inclined to post about the putatives since we don’t know as much about them and I would feel like I was “contributing” more. I don’t know, maybe I just need more clarification as to what you’re looking for. Just my $.02. I love you all and everything you do.

[Jasmin]

For right now, all custom stuff is disabled in the store. Ever since the registration buttons were fixed, things got a whole lot busier!

[SteveO]

@Elevation

Not only that, but I think the board will be flooded with repetitive threads.

I’m probably in the minority, but the only reason I don’t post results more often than I do is because my testing has been largely relegated to the Instant line, and the results of those products are already pretty well documented. I always feel like I would be just reiterating what has already been posted many times before–Shine makes people happy, Instant Openness makes people chatty, etc. I feel that way every time I see an “Ammo makes the girls horny!” thread. I have trouble getting through threads like that sometimes because my ADD brain is going “I know that already”.

I appreciate what Androtics is saying with re: to posting results on the forum about under-researched molecules, and they want to make sure that they send these bottles to people who will help them further their research. And the only way they’ll know you’re one of those people is to post and post…but personally I would be more inclined to post about the putatives since we don’t know as much about them and I would feel like I was “contributing” more. I don’t know, maybe I just need more clarification as to what you’re looking for. Just my $.02. I love you all and everything you do.

Nice post and rep points for it.

My idea was only an idea. There are a lot of flaws in it, and the more I think about it the more I realize it wont actually work.

I think Jasmosis has it all figured out anyway already. She’s smart you know!

[Elevation]

@steveo

Nice post and rep points for it.

My idea was only an idea. There are a lot of flaws in it, and the more I think about it the more I realize it wont actually work.

I think Jasmosis has it all figured out anyway already. She’s smart you know!

I actually kind of liked your idea. It would encourage feedback and teach us HOW to give good feedback at the same time (since we don’t know what we’re getting we’ll have to really pay attention to reactions). But, no worries, I have faith Jasmine will figure it all out.

[Phoenix]

I wanted to order some EST, TAH/TAL and standard a314 today..

Can I order them or is it absolutely out of the question (besides the a314 of course).. If I can’t get them I’ll wait before I order my standard a314, as I still have my mutant..

[chadwick]

Yeah jasmin, your recent bombardment is partly due too the p2p/torrent file sharing sites…competitors have taken over that market with ad’s and banners. that might explain the world-wide/youth market i am seeming to encounter here. But then again who know’s

[chadwick]

anyway goodluck, you go girl…Portland does have a different tax scheme-plus i heard it barely rains there, Gotta love that jet stream. and yes steveo- your thoughts above have huge holes in it.

[Kitten]

I’m a little worried. I like using certain of the MX and putative products the same way I use the commercial products–for me first. (I’m fine with helping out with testing and furthering pheromone science and research, but it is not my primary motivation.) Hearing that they are not cost effective and are just for testing makes me afraid that they will suddenly go poof and I won’t be able to get any MX134 or P74 when I want it.

Thoughts?

Best,
Kitten

[sigma]

So thats where everything went. I stopped by the site to restock my aresenal (and to try out some P98) and couldn’t find what I wanted. Ah well.

From a business standpoint I can understand where they’re coming from. They’re selling the advanced stuff at cost to the company for the purposes of R&D, not to generate profits. With more inexperienced or non-participating members buying these products, the cost of R&D increases, while the quality of R&D decreases. There’s certainly a diminishing cost-benefit to AD as more and more inexperienced/non-participating members purchase these molecules. Not to mention the fact that high volumes of custom orders jam up their operations and delay order processing…significantly disrupting the efficiency of the company…probably disrupting the ‘research’ oriented parts of the company when they’re forced to divert so much of their resources to processing orders.

Anyway thats my thoughts on it. I hope I’m still given access despite my recent MIA from the forum!

[SteveO]

@sigma

So thats where everything went. I stopped by the site to restock my aresenal (and to try out some P98) and couldn’t find what I wanted. Ah well.

From a business standpoint I can understand where they’re coming from. They’re selling the advanced stuff at cost to the company for the purposes of R&D, not to generate profits. With more inexperienced or non-participating members buying these products, the cost of R&D increases, while the quality of R&D decreases. There’s certainly a diminishing cost-benefit to AD as more and more inexperienced/non-participating members purchase these molecules. Not to mention the fact that high volumes of custom orders jam up their operations and delay order processing…significantly disrupting the efficiency of the company…probably disrupting the ‘research’ oriented parts of the company when they’re forced to divert so much of their resources to processing orders.

Anyway thats my thoughts on it. I hope I’m still given access despite my recent MIA from the forum!

Are you serious sigma. Half my knowledge came from your posts. If there’s no sigma (and where the heck have been young man?) then SteveO is leaving.