Tater highly recommends that everyone who is serious about pheros learn to composite and which fragrances are appropriate for which uses. Fragrance + pheros to hair is an amazing thing.
Hanging out with 20-year old women? CTTM:Le Male 4:1 on clean hair, preferably with the scent of fresh conditioner. Magical.
Very interesting MadisonTate! The ingredients of Athena have never been revealed but are not a secret either. She has identified the pheromone compounds in her patent available freely online. Her formula focusses on armpit secretions which does not contain Est and I am not sure contains even Meo-Est in any significant amount. Something else in her formula might be producing these very attractive reactions. The reactions you describe are exactly what I expect from a pheromone product and exactly how naturally attractive men are perceived in social situations.
For those of your friends who didn’t have great results with MX101, I am curious if they have tried PI or Raw Power or TE/NPA.
I would suggest decanting in a very small output spray and using maybe 1/3 rd of a regular spray, i.e. a total of 0.05 ml, or alternatively use drops. Another thing which might help is mixing it in monolaurin gel and then spreading it around the chest or upper body. If monolaurin gel is not available then try diluting MX101 in water and spread it around on the body, wrists, neck, chest the usual spots. Also if using it in daytime it need some more buffer for which A314 is great. For nightime it works great by itself but works even better with added 10-12 mcg of P79 and 1/2-1 spray of MX102. Just some things to try out before totally giving up on this mix.
For those of your friends who didn’t have great results with MX101, I am curious if they have tried Primal Instinct or Raw Power or The Edge/NPA.
I would suggest decanting in a very small output spray and using maybe 1/3 rd of a regular spray, i.e. a total of 0.05 ml, or alternatively use drops. Another thing which might help is mixing it in monolaurin gel and then spreading it around the chest or upper body. If monolaurin gel is not available then try diluting MX101 in water and spread it around on the body, wrists, neck, chest the usual spots. Also if using it in daytime it needs extra buffers for which A314 is great. For nightime it works great by itself but works even better with added 10-12 mcg of P79 and 1/2-1 spray of MX102. Just some things to try out before totally giving up on this mix.
The other thing interesting about Athena is the ramp-up time. I havent tried DHEA, but thats rumored to be the phero-content. Tater wonders if she figured out that one phero can cause the production of other pheros naturally. Tater suspects that Androtics products do the same.
Tater is very focused on the Androtics line, and this is the first exposure for his friends.
I doubt it would be just DHEA. The current information in her website is that the men’s version contains the ratios of pheromones emitted by a virile young man in his 20s. DHEA might be one of the ingredients. Many pheromone makers are now using DHEA to control diffusion. She is not using any -none but definitely some other interesting chemicals.
Tater would be thrilled if all these wonderful contributors would start a journal and name it after their nick. Pretty please with Tisha honey on it???
Tater thinks there are several simple composites that are very useful. IFM at 1:4, IH at 8:1, IO at 10:1. If youve tried all the basics, you should still go back and try them after compositing.
Spray them again…for the first time.
TAC is the most underrated putative. I cant believe theres so little talk about it. If youre able to order some when the advanced stuff comes back online, you need to get some.
I didnt have enough to complete my testing, but TAL/TAH is like P86/P83. Better together. If you havent tried them in tandem, you need to. They are very complementary.
Tater does not recommend using P79 or MEO-EST on their own. Some of the pheros MEO-EST amplifies are not nice pheros. You can have a very bad response, and its just not predictable.
Really?
I wore MX149 with lots of different pheromones and by itself and had some OK results, but for me, my best results were 2 A314 and 3 MX149. I just absolutely had solid noticeable hits with it.
Most of the hits I get I really have pay attention and notice body language, voice inflections, proximity alerts and just be aware and yet the MAX463 (that’s my little SteveO Journal name) really just shines as a pheromone hit. I could be deaf, dumb, and blind like Tommy and I’d still notice hits galore.
Of course everyone is different but I’d be interested to hear a bit more about the experiences with and without the A314.
TAF and MEO-EST amplify different pheros. I havent figured out the list yet but mix + TAF is definitely not the same as mix + MEO-EST.
Tater has described MEO-EST as a way to add oomph to a mix, but mentioned that it adds crudeness, like MSG on food. I think thats because it only amplifies certain pheros, and possibly only certain resultant pheros that your own body generates. Its a spin-factor kind of phero. TAF seems to be similar but theres only a little overlap in what exactly it does. TAF seems to have a consistent scattering effect, even across multiple people.
Tater gets very flirty, playful hits just wearing MX149. MX149 + MX102 gets me pats on the butt, women sitting/laying across my lap playfully, teasing kisses, lots of touching. MX149 + A314 doesnt get me the same outgoing sexual/senual edge. Its back to the same high-intensity flirting, but i dont get the spontaneous touching. I dont know if MX149 + A314 would work better if i were to initiate touching though.
Instant Shine = Gaydar by Magnetism. I think ive proven that you can -out- people by wearing this stuff.
TAC is in all my newest batches of Groove Lover. Tater you are so right when you say it’s underrated! By all things Pink and Squishy, its like the Jester of pheromones and just when you think wow that’s funny, BANG, you’re a turnip. It’s that soothing bitch-slap that brings the -none down to reality all the while stroking your thigh. The loving caress of Jasmin’s voice while she’s strapping you into the electric chair. Smile, it wont hurt.
Hell when it comes right down to it MHarris had a test-tube baby inserted into a vial of TAC and created TACitus.
No need for tear gas or pepper spray. Hit them with a does of TAC, brilliant and yet appealing to all.
Would you please post your ratios on the P83 / P86 for me. On your wise word, dear sir, I bought a big giant bottle of P86 deliberately to test with my P83 and I just can’t seem to get it right. A little Tater love my way would be nice.
Start at 12.5 mcg P86 to 2.5 mcg P83. I archived some of my notes and need to double-check that, though. Im sure i have the ratio somewhere here.