Tater does not suggest compositing oils (e.g. A314) and alcohol-based products.
Tisha does not suggest compositing consumer products which have already been balanced to perfection especially if your new to this. This is what experimones are for.
They are made to composite with colognes or other experimones. If the issue is the smell of neroli then I wouldnt suggest mixing a product that has a neroli cover scent with a cologne. Not saying it would not work in many cases they will work fabulously but you are changeing the composition and ratio of the molocules not just the scent. If you want to mix your own or add to colognes then buy the raw product. I do however suggest diluting when a product such as Turn Up The Heat, is to strong for you.
Oh and if you do composite them and it dosnt work to your advantage this dosnt qualify for a refund under the 200% guarantee unless the product didnt work for you as a stand alone after extensive testing.
Just to clear this up as well, If you decide you want to test advanced products ( putatives and Test MX’s) you must test them out extensivly first as a stand alone. This needs to be said especially with the new releases coming soon. This is a big part of what Androtics is looking for in feedback.
Before anyone gets there boxers in a bunch read this…
I have a great deal of admiration and respect for Tater and his mixes and observations and I am not in any way knocking that. I just want new people to realize that he also has experience and a natural affinity with making amazing mixes as well as being highly observant and intuitive. Its those attributes that make his mixes such a success. So if you jump in head first without learning to swim first dont blame Androtics, Jasmin myself or Tater for that matter. I bring this up because over the last two weeks I have gotten a great deal of PM questions about Taters mixes, and why they do or do not work. Also about the guarantee. Oh and just to keep the record straight, no I didnt unstick Taters post. He requested that. So no more nasty PMs Thank you.
Tisha
Sorry Tisha. It’s not about Tater. It’s just when I look at your avatars and read your posts I can’t help sending nasty PMs.
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Hey Tisha,
Can you give some info about the upcoming products???
Just curious
Helius
Hey everyone. Tater asked to be unstuck because not as many people were visiting his thread while it was a sticky. I appreciate anyone who is being protective of Tater, but Tisha didnt have anything to do with it.
Tater agrees that you should try the products without any compositing or mixing until you know whats going on, and i understand thats part of Androtics money-back guarantee.
Once you have things figured out, though, Tater does believe commercial fragrances composited with pheros are very effective. But Tater is just a customer who tests on himself and his friends. I cant refund anything and i cant make Androtics do anything if youre unhappy either. Tater cant even get on the front of the phero-shipping list or he wouldnt be back to using Athena.
If youre using something Tater recommended, please let Tater know along with your results, application areas and all that. Its good information.
Oh, and no nasty PMs to Tisha unless she asks for them. ![]()
Good point. Tater recommends heavier fragrances, especially ones that give an air of musk, spice or baby powder since theyre very effective both at masking phero scents and at countering Neroli and the assortment of Androtics fragrances.
I understand Tishas point about getting raw pheros instead of trying to counteract Neroli, but… (a) that doesnt help much if you already have pheros hanging around and (b) the delay for custom products has always been longer than for standard products. Ideally it would be just as quick to get unscented products, but since its not, you work with what you have.
Another point or two:
Tater isnt always right about this stuff. I dont even know what the real phero content is for some of the things i recommend. Im not sure even MHarris and Jasmin know every detail about the pheros they ship. Theres always potential for surprises and new discoveries. Thats where the excitement lies.
Im fortunate that 9 times out of 10, when Tater posts something, the other testers on this forum see a common thread and confirm Taters theories. However, Tater has evolved his own thinking on several pheros, like the whole androstenone with Asians thing. Tater has since realized that women who have ancestry from older cultures (most Asians and Africans) are much more scent-sensitive, which makes them respond more harshly, whether its dislike of an odor, or a positive effect when its the right time of the month. For example, Tater suspects that androstadienone has a much greater calming effect on Asian and African women during menstruation, but is also much more likely to get a “you stink” response when they are not. Androstenone, meanwhile, seems to have a more positive effect on Asian/African women who are open to dating Caucasian men, have dated Caucasian men or have Caucasian family history/members.
As we learn more, we get closer to the truth, but we arent there yet. Please dont take anything Tater says as an absolute truth. Its like evolution…nice theory, and it makes sense, but it isnt (and cant be) proven. It just happens to be close to what we know so far. Ditto with string theory. Or, look at Newton’s theories, which are a close approximation of the truth, and good enough to predict lots of useful things, but we now know that theyre wrong. That still didnt keep us from putting a man on the moon and bringing him back. But you cant hold on to the Law of Gravity so tightly that you wont accept the general theory of relativity. There is no such thing as gravity, but its a much easier thing to understand than whats really keeping your feet on the ground.
One of the fundamental and most useful concepts Tater ever learned is that “Most of what we think is true isnt. Its just close enough that we dont spend much time on it.”
We think buildings are “solid”, but if you know anything about atomic physics, you also know that a skyscraper isnt even .001% dense if you consider the atomic or quark-level spaces. If you could collapse the sub-atomic particles to rest on each other, a skyscraper would be too tiny to see. Remember that when you’re walking across the 40th floor on top of mostly nothing. It’s mind-boggling to think how many things in the universe need to be just perfect to allow your foot to strike the floor without collapsing the entire building! And thats exactly the thing: you most likely have studied physics, but youre not likely to spend any time thinking about how much has to work for a building, or even your own body, to stick together. Untold thousands of factors must be perfect even to hold a drop of water together.
When we theorize on pheros, remember that we’re trying to see patterns in, what may be, millionth-generation effects, but have no handle whatsoever on the causes and whats really happening.
Yeah…Taters eyes got all big and Sagan just now… Billions and BILLIONS of STARS!!! We think we know something, but we don’t even know that we know or how we know that we know, or if we know what we know. Everything weve ever conceived is hinged on this great precipice made of unfounded pride.
All Tater knows is…i need BISCUITS!
Bubblebob tells me that was Taters Deep Thought #1023. The boy cant count, but ill give him a rep anyhow…
Tater recommends that you have your game ready when you have your pheros on. Why? The second time you expose someone to your pheros, theres a diminished effect, unless you use a healthy dose of imprinting pheros (e.g. TAF, MEO-EST, P79, possibly TAC and a few others). You need to be careful with those too, because it takes more each time to overcome an imprint.
Tater believes that if you use imprint pheros, youll get better long-run effects on a particular target if you drop the imprints for future wearings. Think of the imprint pheros as sanding off a layer and putting down a new coat of paint. The first coat looks very fresh, but its weak. Normally you do a second and third coat. But you dont sand again unless youre changing color or texture because you can only sand so many times. I think imprint pheros are similar in nature.
Wear a good dose of them the first time youre with your target, then give them coat after coat without sanding. The effect of a controlled buld-up can be rather impressive.
Tater doesnt have any TAA to prove it with, but hes convinced its a real powerhouse. Thats from Taters journal and the posts here on the forum. It seems to be related to P83/P86 as an enhancer-type phero, but its also very potent. I wouldnt be surprised to find that (a) were often using 10x the amount of TAA we should be using and (b) like EST, a tiny bit of it is never a bad thing.
Tater is beginning to see categories of pheros. Some are accent pheros, like androstadienone, small doses of EST, possibly small doses of TAA. Some are imprint pheros, like TAF and MEO-EST. Some accent certain types of sensory perception, like P83, P86 and TAA in medium to large doses. Some advertise different types of social availability like P74, alpha-androstenol, TAH and P93. Some assert different types of social dominance, like androstenone, beta-androstenol and TAL.
Tater thinks its possible to break down the pheros based on type and particular effect within a type. One day, ill have the arsenal to prove it.
So, what exactly were TAB, TAD, TAE, TAG, TAI and TAJ? Did they ever exist?
Tater, maybe I’m in a contrarian mood today, but please explain what you mean here further.
I think I get better effects from most pheros the more often I wear them. Often the first time I wear something I get a very good result then the second and third time the target may be better able to use social shielding to not react but by the fourth and later times the target seems to accept the signal and react in ways similar to the first. Repeated exposure confirms the signal. It’s pavlovian. Just my take.![]()
While the principle of the wearer’s resistance to the self effects of pheros is evident I’ve yet to witness diminished effects to repeatedly exposed targets. This needs to be studied further.
Tater means that a HARD hit the first time around gives you the most opportunity. Theres still an effect afterward, but you can really take someone by storm the first time you wear artificial pheros around them, especially if youre wearing an imprint phero as part of the mix. The woman who says “WOW!” the first time you meet her isnt likely to respond as intensely or be caught off guard on the 10th time. So, if youre going to make a pass at someone or ask someone out, be READY the first time you wear pheros around them. Its your best shot most of the time.
Oh, and, thanks for the blotters, pheraoh. ![]()
Jasmin has smiled my way! Taters MX102, Instant Sexiness, TAA Oil, Dirty and MX113-116 have been shipped!
I think i just did the happy skippy Snoopy dance for a few seconds there. Very undignified. Must resume my A314-like stance.
We had two milliliters of TAA, seventy-
five drops of A314, five
milliliters of high powered 4x Instant
Shine, a salt shaker half full of
Ammo, a whole galaxy of multi-
colored Androstenone, Androstenols, putatives,
MXs… Also a togo of P79,
a togo of P93, a liquid sunshine testpack, a
pint of raw Androsterone and two dozen
milliliters of TUTH.
Not that we needed all that for the trip,
but once you get locked into
a serious pheromone collection, the
tendency is to push it as far as
you can.
The only thing that really worried
me was the spaceland. There is nothing
in the world more helpless and
irresponsible and depraved than a
man in the depths of a spaceland binge.
And I knew we’d get into that
rotten stuff pretty soon.
