I’ve seen a lot of threads regarding the effectiveness of ammo, and the responses seem to mention age a lot.
I’m 23 years old, is two sprays too much do you think? Today I was only wearing two sprays, and I was at a restaurant, and one of the waitresses from the other section kept looking over at me and kept walking by me. I was also wearing IH and IO at the time, so it may not have been ammo, but I think it probably was.
So far, other than today, I just don’t feel like I’ve been really getting any hits with ammo. No one seems put off by it, but no one seems attracted by it either.
Where did you apply the sprays? Have you tried to found your sweet spot with AMMO? It could be some buildup - maybe 2sp is your sweet spot and if you didn’t wash it it became something like 2.5-3sp next day?
I found that for me it’s best to apply socials on wrists, -rone and -none products on neck and -none heavy products (IJ and TUTH) on chest to slow down the diffusion. It’s like: 1. Socials make a bigger cloud when i talk and articulate - more people smell the IO/IH/ISHINE . Then: 2. They start feeling comfortable and come closer - now they can smell the AMMO/IG/A314 or whatever I have on my neck. If the situation escalates and we start making out -> 3. They are really close and could smell the TUTH/IJ and the rest is… NC17. IMHO this is a pretty effective way to apply mones because you don’t hit them with the -none right away (although some women really like that).
Btw I had the exact same reaction in a restaurant with 2sp AMMO, 2sp IH and 1sp ISHINEx2. I was with a girl we were talking about random stuff and the waitress kept coming every ~10m to ask if everything’s ok and was always staring at me while passing near me.
You really need to do your sweet spot testing methodically for each and until you have, there is also the possibility that the IO/IH could be moderating the Ammo too little or too much.
What you describe does sound like a hit though but until you get an idea of what works with your body chemistry, it is difficult to tell what was affecting her most effectively.
Yeah, you’re probably right.. the only one that i’ve really tested is Instant Shine, which is magical for me. So socials can turn down ammo’s effect?? Damn, I didn’t realize that.
Wow, that’s great advice. So does that mean I should NOT apply two mones in the same place? Like if I am wearing ammo on my neck, wait 20 minutes for it to dry down, I should NOT apply socials to my neck, and vice versa? Also when you spray to your neck, do you rub it in/around or do you just let it sit like that?
IS actually complements Ammo superbly and comines to great effect but yes, other socials - particularly nols (IO/IH) and other molecules like TAC, A1 and a load more will moderate the none very effectively and will also take the edge of status/masculine pheros like rone. Ammo is already very well balanced, so yes you could be tipping it back too far.
Again, sweet spot testing is the way forward here, so you get an idea of how each phero works for you and hou you can combine them to best effect.
However, moderating none can be good in some situations, like:
Young guys who already produce plenty none.
Young girls who are most sensitive to none.
Asian women, again more sensitive at any age (very generally).
Social situations where a more overt sig is undesirable
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Where a deliberately higher dose is worn but to avoid OD in initial stages and build sexual effects over time as the nols break down to none.
You can layer any alcohol base phero over any other, no problem. Its only A314 oil that you need to keep apart from sprays/cover scents
Around the neck/upper chest, I’d tend to let them sit as they are. If I rub, its only lightly to distribute between wrists or forearms. Don’t rub them-in.
No it doesn’t mean this . I just like that type of applying - helps me to make a bigger cloud without filling the air with -none and I’m still able to wear -none heavy products that people closer to me could smell. As mobo said - you can try whatever you want - you may find a better solution for you. We are all different and what works on me may not be the best for you and vv .
I don’t know what the deal is with me either. I use one spray from the togo bottle on my wrist and spread it to my other wrist and neck with a spray of IS on each forearm and haven’t gotten a single hit, even the girls in my class that usually start conversations with me haven’t said a word since I have been wearing it but I do get hits from chikara which is suppose to be about the same, any suggestions?
How do they respond to Ammo on its own and IS on its own?
If you get hits from Ammo alone, then IS is softening the vibe too much but if you get hits from IS alone, could be that you are into OD with the Ammo - Which at 19, is a possibility as you are still liable to have a high natural none production.
Ive never done IS or AMMO alone but I got hits when I done chikara alone which is pretty much the same as AMMO. It uses androsteNONE, androsteNOL and androsteRONE, plus four more that they don’t tell about on the site but I get great hits with one spray of this on the neck.
Worth trying each on its own then - Remember that if you are around girls your age, they are also liable to (mostly) be at their most sensitive to none.
IS alone also does very well with younger women IME.
I also have IO, so I will try each alone. And they are seniors about to turn 18 so about 2 years younger since I will be turning 20. I will be getting some A1 and making my own mix at 50mcg per spray to test it out or maybe a little less.
Yes - Especially if you are getting into A1 - That is one of the most effective none moderators you can get. You need to know your sweet spot for none alone before you start using the A1 or you stand a good chance of it obliterating it altogether - which is not good as too much A1 will send you straight into the friendzone!
ETA - I know you have been into the A1 guide but have you searched-out the “A1 Mix Repository” thread? If not - go and do it now. There is a vast amount of info on using and mixing A1 effectively.
I’d still suggest you start lower - Not least until you determine if you suffer the bad effects or not.
Also because you could make a lower dose spray and build it up with 2 or 3 sprays rather than being stuck with a full 50mcg dose - which will need a fair amount of other pheros in proportion it. And A1 is far from cheap!
Personally I get excellent results and bonkers hits with A1 in the 25-37.5mcg range and at my age, I can use a great deal more none than you can probably get away with.
Well its about 80 bucks for full strength so do you think I could get buy spending about 50 on half strength and still get good results with 30ml and one spray? I’m assuming that I can.
Lately, “half” strength at LS has meant you getting a 5ml bottle at the the same strength as full. So I’d go for the full strength and dillute. Works out as far better value.
. I just like that type of applying - helps me to make a bigger cloud without filling the air with -none 
and I’m still able to wear -none heavy products that people closer to me could smell. As mobo said - you can try whatever you want - you may find a better solution for you. We are all different and what works on me may not be the best for you and vv