Yup -TAA and P130 are the extras in Summer Ammo but I don’t know the dose or proportion relative to the none, rone and nol, which is the same as the other Ammo versions.
So if you are using IS with Summer Ammo, you probably won’t need as much as with other versions as the IS steering will carry the TAA in the mix already. 
day gamed yesterday
10mcg p130 2 ammo 1 a314 1 IG 10mcg p83
Not a good mix, I was getting frowned at? didn’t get one IoI After 4 hours I added 1 more a314 and 2 spray IS after this, I could finally talk to girls again with out them looking at me like “wtf what do you what” and self effects were really good. stronger than normal. and got some good numbers from a few Asian girls again 25+. Assuming by that time in the sun the only mones left would be a A314 none from ammo, and some fresh IS.
Is p130 confusing people? does it not go well with a314?
It reminded me of a p83 OD, does p130 have or increase the wet factor girls get with p83 that could make them act weird, they finding it hard to talk normaly?
Im not sure if im making a amateur mistake, but is applying all mones to the same area (my neck) so there mixing together bad?
The A314 steering will be obliterating the much lighter IG steering and turning its rone (and the rone in Ammo) into something much more serious - I can see that as a bad thing . It also might be conflicting with the IS/P130 lightness to some extent, although P130 is usable around A314, I’d usually use it in less complex mixes (you have a lot of steering mones in there, not all known).
The thing about P130 that I always marvel at is whilst it is not hugely sexual on its own, P130 has a remarkable ability to make surprisingly large doses of none very tasty to younger women - It could also be that you have driven the none in Ammo so far back in the mix that it has become virtually useless?
Between the Ammo, IG and A314, Androsterone is by far the most prominent phero in that mix and its not not always the best one for younger women - and your interest from mid-20s Asians does kind of bear that out IMO, as they often do better with high-rone mixes compared to other races.
Why not try the same mix with just the A314 or IG and see which gets the best attention? Then try the best one with or without the P83 and P130. Personally, I find P83 less useful in daytime/situations where I’m not going to be easily able to get physical.
My mind-set is yes any-ware in the daytime you can make things physical.
I know, sometimes p83 can close the gap sometimes, but can make girls to weirded out from a cold approach in the day more often, I should really stop using it, until dates. Its just fun when it works.
That’s interesting, because I was finding it hard to be attracted to girls this day, and girls weren’t giving me that butterfly feeling that I want to feel before approaching. So maybe it did buffer the none, and my natural none to much. is the amount of p130 in ammo summer a lot lower?
I’ve no idea what amount of P130 or TAA is in Summer Ammo - Maybe John could enlighten us? Its not like the basic formula isn’t already known.
I still think that if you reduced the rone considerably and increased the none slightly, you would see this mix take-on a much more useful charachter.
OK so I had only 30min in town i know but I thought I would get a quick feel for mx297. (i had a spray ammo/ih on 4 hours prior) I was in the worst, most tired mood ever. I sprayed 2 sprays, wow I like this smell, im feeling pretty good now ,maybe just a buzz from the first time using a phero.
It didn’t make me want to talk like instant openness, but I feel a alpha comfortable feeling i have never felt before. very care free. don’t give a fuck. I Walk in bar and Wow! haven’t seen a whole room be hit like this, at first I notice, p83 like hits people dancing heaps more/ and more sensual. everyone’s having a lot of fun. But the way people look at me wow its like i own the place. I’m a little surprised from this so im silent and also bymyself and feeling like im not wearing a im a loner mix right now haha. The 2 hottest girls in the place dance with me (grind on me) wow i was thinking that was a quick hit that never normally happens. I grabbed one, and she backed away(ok that sometimes happens haha) so i let go turn around, to find her grinding on me again. I almost feel like i can push girls away from me and it will make them come back. But when i tried to chase it surprised her? I decided to add 1 spray tuth heat to see what happens, and 2 50yo came and hit on me haha. Danm how do i wipe that shit of me. Hopefully ill get time in the weekend to give xz297 a better test.
(Side note i tried tuth with a girl i have already slept with the night before, and we had a really good time haha. The self effects i get from tuth Are really good, slightly better than p75. ammo has no self effects expect sometimes makes me a bit dozy.
Nice to see you getting results, silly! TUTH may be a bit heavy for women your age range, especially those you don’t already know. Add some P130 or TAC to TUTH for better results with your target range. Start at 5mcg for P130, 10mcg for TAC.
My two cents on this… Been wearing Ammo SE solo last couple of days as a variation to my usual daily A314 mixes.
I found I need to double the dosage of SE to get the same results I get with a regular Ammo/IS combo. Maybe during the day people are less likely to display IOI’s because their minds are busy with other things, but at low dosages Ammo SE barely does anything for me (except smell good).
I can easily wear 4 sprays SE to the office. Gives me some nice headturns, ups-and-downs, and a lot of smiles in general. 4 sprays regular Ammo + IS? Way too much - something I would wear to a club. When girls come close at this dosage it’s more like Instant Face Flush 
So either mobo is right and P130 is a very good androstenone buffer OR the other steering mones in Instant Shine ramp up the regular Ammo significantly. Anyone know what other steering mones are in Shine? Thanks.
No idea but without them, TAA alone is much more laid back/less bright and far shorter acting.
Trying a spray of IS with your Summer Ammo does change its impact/make it considerably more upbeat.
And at my age, I often found that Summer Ammo was made much more usable by adding a spray of TUTH or a drop of A7. Also 2.5-5mcg P75 will punch-up its game nicely around late teens early 20s.
And P130 for me has repeatedly helped very overt none mixes, mainly aimed at 30s and over women hit-home, hard and very very obviously with the sort of teenagers that could earn me a life sentence if I was so-inclined! 
so when you mean buffer, you mean make none acceptable, not cancel out none affects.
When I apply p74 I feel like I cancel none completely, not hide it or make accptable.
When I spray shine I feel like it makes ammo hit.
If I have a none od adding more shine makes it worse, it does not help. shine makes people notice me more so people notice the od, Shine stops ghosting instead gets negative reactions if there’s a none od, positive if good ratio.
This has made me realise why I top up on shine later at night, its to cancel ghosting.
Instead i should be trying p130.
Do you think adding 5mcg p102 over top of mx297 would help localise the scent or reactions to me more. I don’t want to risk introversion, but this mix is so social I don’t think that would be a problem. Self effects are a lot of fun ITs like a drug. will it make the social more focused on me/us to see if I can create the bubble effect again with (ih/p102) with mx297.
last night I had way better results with 5mcg of p102, 2.5 p75.(2sprays mx297) were the mix did get focused on me more, even though my mates still defiantly benefit form the mx297, it brings the vibe down to something I like a lot better. I had to be aware of my ability to choose what I focuses on with p102 and use it to my advantage, to socialise, not get in my head.
When I normally wear mones , lots of guys around me start gaming which makes it harder for me, maybe self effects hit them, maybe none gets girls turned on releasing there own pheromones naturally getting guys to hit on them heaps more. p102 stopped this to a extent, in a better way than p74 does.
Although a slight bit of aggressiveness is needed to hock them in the p102 bubble.
It lost its sexual edge that it had before even though it was a lot better mix good mood/social/fun.
I added tuth, up to 3 sprays
And had really solid IOI from a lot of young girls (finaly!!!)
So either p102 or p75 or both is what makes tuth work for me!
Wasn’t getting Bitch shields, girls were friendly, some kissed me, but after they got to turned on they ran away.
so I need to counter this, il try
last night I had way better results with 5mcg of p102, 2.5 p75.(2sprays mx297) were the mix did get focused on me more, even though my mates still defiantly benefit form the mx297, it brings the vibe down to something I like a lot better. I had to be aware of my ability to choose what I focuses on with p102 and use it to my advantage, to socialise, not get in my head.
When I normally wear mones , lots of guys around me start gaming which makes it harder for me, maybe self effects hit them, maybe none gets girls turned on releasing there own pheromones naturally getting guys to hit on them heaps more. p102 stopped this to a extent, in a better way than p74 does.
Although a slight bit of aggressiveness is needed to hock them in the p102 bubble.
It lost its sexual edge that it had before even though it was a lot better mix good mood/social/fun.
I added tuth, up to 3 sprays
And had really solid IOI from a lot of young girls (finaly!!!)
So either p102 or p75 or both is what makes tuth work for me!
Wasn’t getting Bitch shields, girls were friendly, some kissed me, but after they got to turned on they ran away.
so I need to counter this, il try