Turning long time friend into booty call and turning a booty call into girlfriend?

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Hello,

My name is Priam, I’m new to the forums but not new to phermones, I started using them in 2011. I’m 27, Asian male, living in Canada.

On that note, I have a question, do phermones expire? They have been sitting in a box, bubble wrapped for the past 4 years. I actively used them in 2011/2012 to get what I wanted (Career/Sex) then I stopped because I didn’t seem to need them anymore.

I have about half a bottle of each left:
A314 (oil)
IS (1x)
IG (1x)
TUTH (2.5mcg)
AMMO (1x)

Scenario #1: Turning my long time friend into a booty call
(Edit: Girl#1 is Indian)

Sept 2007: It was first week of university, by some fluke, I met this girl who eventually became my BFF. I say fluke because had I not met her that week, we would’ve never bumped into each other afterwards.

In hindsight, I’m fairly positive I got friend zoned a few months after meeting her, which is fine considering my game was shit back then. For the better part of the following 3 years, we were inseparable, she became one of my closest friends at the time.

Sept 2010: She disappears, falls off the radar without a trace to the point that I couldn’t even reach her parents to find out what happened.

Summer 2014: She calls me out of the blue, explains what happens, we try to coordinate meeting up. Nothing, she disappears again.

October 2016: She calls me, apologizing for what happened. She’s opened up a business now (I went and saw her there recently) and that’s where we’re at.

I would consider myself more social and experienced now, so I’d like to try turning her into a booty call if possible.

She knows that I’ve been on track from day one whereas she’s just restarting her life now. So I don’t think A314 will help much here, might even scare her off.

I’m figuring a mix of IG/IS to start then IS/AMMO then IS/TUTH?

The big question is, can phermones help push me out of the friend zone?

Scenario #2: Turning a booty call into a girlfriend
(Edit: Girl#2 is Latina)

I met her summer 2013 through a friend, we kind of hit it off but neither of us were looking for anything serious at the time so it was just a booty call, which lasted 2 years.

Depending on time of month (her period) or work, we probably saw each other 2-3 times a week for 3-5 hours of sex each time. I have to assume the sex was good for her as it was for me, women fake orgasms and the whole bit so I’m pretty sure she over-exaggerated the number of orgasms I gave her (10-20+ per session).

We clicked on multiple levels, we had similar ambitions in life, she was very attractive and I started falling for her. Around Feb 2014, I wanted to get serious and start a relationship with her but she wasn’t into it.

It’s normal for things to get awkward at that point but given our (sexual) needs, we kept the booty call thing going. However, towards the end of 2014, her life and my work started conflicting so we started seeing each other less. Went from 2-3 times a week to 2-3 times a month.

I gave her a magic wand (sex toy) for Christmas 2014 just so she had something to use when we weren’t seeing each other. In 2015, we started seeing each other more frequently again (1-2 times a week) until summer 2015, when she fell off the grid.

i don’t understand my luck with women, things are great for a few years then they just fucking disappear… She moved, changed her phone number, email, just gone.

Yesterday (Oct 16), I get a text from her, saying hi. We had a brief call, I wished her happy belated, she was surprised I remembered. She starts reminiscing about the past, saying our time together was great and that she cherishes the memories, feelings and experiences together.

She tells me she’s been using the magic wand that I gave her twice a day for the past year and a half. She wants to meet up sometime and I mentioned my birthday was coming up, so we’re probably going to spend that day together.

Taking a step back and looking at this, I’m getting mixed signals from her, I’m not sure if she wants to restart the booty call relationship or if she’s ready for a serious relationship.

Can phermones steer/change her intentions? I’m conflicted with what to use…

If I can’t get a relationship going, I’ll settle for sex but I don’t want to overpower one over the other. What to do…

Hopefully you guys can provide some insight into my dilemma’s?

Thanks in advance,
Priam

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Well you can certainly influence them in the direction you want but I don’t think pheromones will ‘change their mind’. Of course you need to wear a certain mix around them repeatedly until it settles in. I think your ambitions will take more than just pheromones given you don’t already have a mix ready to use. If you had a full proof mix it might be a different story.

As for 4 years, I mean I’ve heard they can probably last that long according to storage conditions but I wouldn’t rely on old mones. You can probably test to see if they work??

As for Indian women and booty calls, well I wouldn’t know, never been with an Indian girl nor have I used -mones on them, except maybe Dihl in public places. Sorry can’t really help you there.

As for trying to turn a booty call into a relationship with the Latina. I find Latinas always want relationships with me. Honestly I feel like Latinas are the easiest to have relationships with anyways.

But I feel I must ask a question or two. You said you were Asian.
I’m curious as to what combos you used to wear and how did they work on the ladies and in what order racially ?

Without that info I’d say..
TUTH + Ammo for booty call 3:1 ratio
TUTH + Ammo for relationship 1:1 ratio

You should really have a buffer though.

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Base Application (4): Back of neck, chest, left wrist, right wrist
Add On’s (2): Left wrist and right wrist.

For people that I didn’t know, I used A314 as my base.
For people that I did know, I used IG as my base.

I’ve always started off with IS as the add on just to establish the baseline of “look at me”. After establishing the baseline, I switched to AMMO when we went out. Then switched to TUTH when the time was right.

A314 (4) / TUTH (2): Mainly Caucasian girls and some European
IG (4) / TUTH (2): Mix of Latina and Ebony girls
All of the above led to sex, I wasn’t looking for a relationship.

Occasionally AMMO and TUTH did mix based on where the night was going but either I misread the situation or it just doesn’t work for me, I’ve never had success with AMMO/TUTH together.

I think one of the reasons why AMMO/TUTH don’t work together for me is because my body language doesn’t back it up. I’m not the loud one in the room, I’m a shark or a snake (whatever metaphor floats your boat), I sit back and wait to make my move. I don’t talk a lot but when I do, it makes an impact and people listen.

Something to keep in mind, I didn’t use pheromones with either girls, I bought and used pheromones in 2011/12. The Indian girl disappeared in 2010 and I met the Latina in 2013. So it’s almost as if I’m playing with a blank slate in a way… I presume pheromones will overpower whatever preconceptions they have/had of me in the past.

e.g., Indian girl knows me from school, a time when I wasn’t confident yet but still had some success in business. Normally, I’d wear IG, should I wear A314 to throw her off?

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Ah I see, well looks like some killer mixes for sure.
But when you wore them you were like 22 right? Your sig should have changed by now.
Not sure how it would hit today.

If those mixes sealed the deal for you, I’d say just buffer them a little better. Perhaps a little less TUTH and something soft like a P.

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I don’t really know how to advice you on the booty call thing. I’m terrible with that, it’s either ONS or relationship with me, for some reason. I have had very positive feedback from TUTH + TAC as the TAC seems to moderate the none of TUTH very well so more can be snuck in under radar, so maybe that’s worth a try?

But to make the latina your gf, A314 oil is the magic sauce. 2 drops is best, 3 can be too stand-offish, IME.

You can safely add a spray of either IG or Ishine to that, but to really get under her skin you should do a search for the term ‘fallout’ in this forum and read everything about it.

There are a number of solid fallout combos that will get her crushing hard on you if you get enough exposures in and back it up with attractive behavior (no neediness, push-pull, scarcity and abundance mentality).

A314 + P96 seems a really good base for fallout mixes and A314 with straight androstadienone hits very hard, but androstadienone or A1 as it is also called can trigger some depressive effects in some males, females love it though.

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So just an update, I’ve been texting the Latina and I’m fairly positive she just wants to fuck. In light of this, will A314 do anything or should I skip it altogether and go straight for TUTH?

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A314/TUTH is an excellent mature sexual mix, with a lot of the properties you seek, esp reminding her of why she might have missed you - but if she’s turned-on by status but just DTF, then it will do just as well in that role too.

By texting, do you mean you have been discussing a potential relationship with her, then stop NOW! That can be a real passion killer.

For now, keep it sexual and wait to see if her signals become clearer - either way. That’s your best guide.

If you just want a straightforward feelgood sexual, the TUTH/IS is great too.

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By texting, I mean she’s been sending me suggestive messages and pictures… I’ve been playing along in the form of sexting, no mention of relationship at all.

You guys are suggesting A314 but I’ve never had much success or notice any difference using it with people that know me. I already give off the alpha vibe to people who know me, to the point that people are very careful with what they say or do around me. Which is why I prefer IG, which makes them relax a bit but still respectful.

I guess I will have to experiment and see what happens, will most likely try A314/TUTH with both girls and see what happens.