I have returned, my loyal subjects. lol Unfortunately, no news to my ears as yet.
To be honest, I had predicted this would be the case many moons ago, because you see the planets are currently placed in a very disharmonious way in the sky as they interact with my birth chart. I new three years ago that my girlfriend and I would split up during this time, and I knew that PS would be delayed inexplicably because of it as well. I have been trying to be patient, and I tried to get the PS test pack 2 out, but it did not happen in time, I suppose. If indeed this delay is being influenced by how the current planet locations are interacting with my birth chart, then this delay will continue for another 1-2 months. If I am wrong, then it could be five minutes, and it could be forever. I cannot be absolutely certain what is causing the delay, but it does correlate nicely with what I predicted using the planetary transits about 6 months ago. This particular transit, by the way, is making my whole life a living hell, and this is going to be the worst point in my life for about the next 7 years. I’ll be lucky if my mother makes it through this alive.
Anyway, gentlemen, I could not change what is going on to delay things right now if I wanted to, so I and you all must be patient. I apologize, and I would do something if I could, but these things are out of my hands for the time being. However, once the second test pack gets out, I’ll definitely know which particular sub-formula I want to offer for sale, and it is either going to be surprisingly inexpensive to manufacture, or expensive as hell. Choose well, my friends.
And as I explained in 2 PMs before posting this, I neither have the lab to be able to properly make this mix myself, nor have the pheromones by their actual chemistry. Just androtics’ code numbers. Chemists and labs don’t work well with “TAA” and “P75” as chemicals to use. So, as I stated… we must all be patient. I suspect couple months, and things will be getting back to normal.
So thank you all for your interest… and again, please don’t go by what you read elsewhere when you test these. You have no idea what’s in the second test pack. Could all be one single mix, might be all placebos, might be the same as before, could be all new formulations, or something else entirely! I’m keeping it secret to allow me to get as unbiased a result as possible, and end up selling the best possible stuff.
As for pre-ordering, I don’t now what androtics can do about that… but I will not take pre-orders when I don’t know when or even if I’ll be able to deliver.
And thanks for the offers of investment, but this is not the time to be considering that. Let me get to where I know I have a solid product and can get a steady supply, get it bottled and labeled and shipped, and all the rest. Then I’ll know what cost to me will be, and whether I even need investors.
In the mean time, try this on for size:
2.5 mcg A-Nol
7.5 mcg b-nol
12.5 mcg TAA
17.5 mcg androstenone
2.5 mcg androsterone
2.5 mcg P75
7.5 mcg P79
35 mcg P83
12.5 mcg P86
7.5 mcg P74
2.5 mcg P93
5 mcg TAC
7.5 mcg P103
7.5 mcg P80
and no, that’s not Panty Scorcher. Panty Scorcher makes that look like chump change. But I suspect you’ll find it interesting nonetheless. If you can make it. snicker By the way, that mix is for one application. Oh, and… don’t drive with it on until you now how it affects you.
not to mess with your planet mojo but self-fulfilling prophecy mcuh? if you go around thinking your life is gonna be terrible it’s gonna be pretty damn terrible. pessimism is very good at being right.
think positive!
Self fulfilling prophecies are the result of a belief that generates the appropriate actions to cause the “prophecy” to happen. I have learned the hard way that when it comes to hard aspects from transits of the planet Saturn, you get a consistent and repeatable effect which typically includes delays and catch-22 situations that you can’t avoid no matter what. Quite ingenious how they end up being so beautifully set up, really. It’s like playing Chess with someone a million times more intelligent than you are.
As someone who makes and sells subliminals for a living, you’re preaching to the choir on the positive thinking. There are things, however, that are simply not within our ability to avoid or control in life. I just happen to be able to see when they will happen, and have some idea what will be affected.
Interesting insight there. So you are saying that the self fulfilling prophecies happen but with the caveat that delays and catch 22 situations do happen - setup in a beautifully coincidental way. I guess the key is to just be ready but not deterred from real challenges.
As much as I respect Catlord’s knowledge of mones, discussing astrology in relation to science is, at best, questionable. I have seen Catlord’s mixes in action, and I can attest to their potency, but he completely loses me when he begins to talk about astrology in any form (might as well be talking about witchcraft). Just because a method is complex, does not make it valid. I think that Catlord is just seeing what he wants to see, but I have to consider the possibility that he use both valid and junk science equally to a certain degree of success. Derren Brown stated on his first “Investigates” show, that many people may receive comfort from methods not based on science, but on faith.
I believe that this represents a fear that most people have when trying mones : is this truly just the Placebo effect? The NLP community has been getting away with that for decades. I saw Bandler on a BBC show not too long ago, and he presents no actual proof that he can practice what he preaches. In the end, it’s all just smoke and mirrors. The validity of Bandler’s early work, is not represented in his later incarnations of NLP. Very similar to Ross Jeffries in that respect.
I am also curios as to why I haven’t seen a great deal written about mones in the PUA community. Those two seem like a match made in heaven. You have tens of thousand of men studying the art of pickup, and not a peep about mones??? Strange.
If I hadn’t witnessed the power of mones myself, I would just write them off as junk science. But there is something very powerful in some of those bottles, and whatever helps Catlord create his magic mixes, keep it up!
So where do I sign up for those Karmic Busting Nones? Man! Saturn returns are really something, and no amount of Instant Shine is gonna save you from it. The good news is this.. All the planets are setting you up for something really, really big. Doing something about it NOW means that it wont come back and haunt you 22 years later . . Now pass me that joint
Self fulfilling prophecies are common with humans. As a group, we are quite prone to seeing what we want to see. But, I don’t use astrology as an excuse. I’m going based on almost 20 years of empirical observations. I actually started off learning it to specifically prove that it was bullshit, and expose it from the inside out. Obviously, that didn’t happen.
The key is not to take a transit as absolute, because no single transit is operating alone, and because there are a lot of factors that must be considered and blended to understand how it will show itself. The key is also not to have a fatalistic attitude. Use that knowledge to work with, instead of against, the “tide of probability”. There are few transits indeed that are difficult to work with once you understand what they do; Saturns are among those few. So your options are through, not over, under or around. Saturn seems to force change through difficulty.
You’re welcome to your opinion, of course, but you have to admit that after almost 20 years of study into the subject of astrology, I know what I am talking about, whereas you (based on what you say here) are only too willing to accept what others have told you as fact without investigation. I started my study of astrology with that exact same point of view, and I started it in order to prove it was bullshit from the inside out because I just could not believe people could thin it was possible that the planets have an effect on people like that. In fact, most of that time has been spent doing experiments with it, over an over, that have shown me beyond the shadow of a doubt that it works - but only if it is used intelligently and understood deeply enough. In fact I have come to rely on it for understanding how to communicate with people I have just met.
What always gets me is the logic that skeptical types use that either goes one of two ways:
“So-and-so said X. So and so is famous and important, so X must be true.”
or
“So and so said X. I do not see any way X could be possible, so X must not be true.”
The first one is simple laziness, masquerading as scientific thought, and the second one is faulty logic, because it is premised upon the idea that “I know everything there is to know.”
For that reason, I decided to learn astrology for myself, to prove it did not work.
Another interesting thing is, astrology, of all the metaphysical disciplines, is the one that requires the least amount of “faith” (none at all), and is quite heavily based in mathematics. Astronomy was invented to satisfy the needs of astrologers, and later split off to become a separate discipline because astrology fell out of favor, based on the faulty logic exemplified above.
Now, what we have is newspapers claiming that astrology is so simple as to be patently preposterous, and people like Randi spouting faulty logic that embarrasses others for them, especially when they claim to be associated with science.
I also find it fascinating that no matter how much study one does into the subject of astrology, it is considered meaningless to those who discount astrology out of hand, but in every other direction, a 2 year degree, a 4 year degree and an 8 year degree have major validity and impact. While there is no current accredited collegiate course of study in astrology (primarily because the colleges that offer courses cannot find someone sufficiently skilled in astrology on the accrediting bodies to enable accreditation), I have enough years of study under my belt to be a doctorate in any other direction. And yet I have people telling me that I am deluding myself, my statements are based on faith, or that I mix junk science with real science to some success.
Anyone who knows me, knows that I tend to be unusually successful in what I do, and that is because of two things: First, I am very cautious, and I don’t tread where I am not very confident that there is proverbial “solid ground” upon which to tread. Common sense: if you want to succeed, you do things in a logical progression which leads to certainty of success. Second, I am open minded. I understand that I don’t know everything there is to know, and instead of rejecting things simply because they sound preposterous (meaning I don’t currently understand how or why they could be true), I do experiments with no expectations. I let the empirical data guide me.
20, 30, 40, 50 years ago, if you told the average scientist that humans were affected by and produced pheromones, what would they have said? They’d have laughed you out of the room. They were absolutely certain that was absolutely wrong. And yet look at us now. Scientists are the ones saying the exact reverse.
Science’s job is to discover things. Discovery requires change - and part of that change is changing what we accept as being true. If that never happened, we’d still be insisting the earth was flat and that the sun went around the earth. The history of science is nothing if not filled with examples of resistance to the very change that science is seeking to discover.
If you really look at how the “debunkers” treat the subject, you’ll see that they apply a double standard. What they do to “debunk” astrology, they would never do to the science they hold so precious, because the same thing would happen: people would stop considering it valid!
So, theLaw, again, you are welcome to your opinion, but please remember the difference between your opinion and my equivalent of an advanced degree in the subject followed by more than a decade of further study and research. After all, you’d figure that if I use it every day to get the results I do, that eventually it would be obvious to me if it did not actually work. I might be strong willed, but a year or two of failure would get through even to me.
By the way, I don’t use astrology to make my mixes. My calculator has nothing to do with astrology.
As for the pickup community, I suspect they don’t make more of pheromones because pheromones are too subtle for their tastes. The point of pickup seems to be to get a woman inseminated as quickly as possible, and pheromones may be helpful for that, but most of these guys can quite frankly do the job faster and better even without. So why bother?
I can’t speak on Bandler much, as I have not studied him or NLP specifically. However, what I can say is this. One of the reasons science has such a hard time with things like NLP, hypnosis, astrology, etc. (not that astrology is even remotely associated, mind you) is that the vocal ones in the science camp are guolty of yet another logical fallacy, and that is believing that everything that exists can be quantified, measured, examined and explained through their specific brand of analysis and study. Not all things will lend themselves to study in the same way, but you’ll never get the hard science people to understand that. It’s literally just about like trying to understand the beauty of a rose by studying it mathematically. It just can’t be done.
That, my friends, is why we have TWO brain hemispheres - so we can think in more than just logical or emotional themes. If you go too far into the emotional thinking, you get the religious people who believe whatever they are told as long as it makes them feel less afraid of the world around them that they don’t know or understand yet. (People like Pat Robertson fall into this group. Interestingly, they’re always antagonistic of the things they are trying to “debunk”, and have never spent any time really studying the subject unless it was looking for ammunition for their pre-determined conclusion.)
And when you go too far into the logical side, you get the reverse - scientific people who believe whatever it takes to make themselves feel less afraid of the world around them that they don’t know or understand yet. (People like James Randi fall into this category. Interestingly, they’re always antagonistic of the things they are trying to “debunk”, and have never spent any time really studying the subject unless it was looking for ammunition for their pre-determined conclusion.)
The problem is, there’s not a balance with these people. These extremists are always driven by fear and it makes them unbalanced because they seek extremes to deal with their fears. Those who consider things from the point of view of “I don’t know, I haven’t studied it yet” are the ones who usually make the most successful and excellent scientists, because they don’t start off with the answer their fears are insisting on in the first place! (In other words, they let the scientific method answer the question for them.)
So while I have no problems with people disagreeing with me on the subject of astrology, and I know that never will everyone agree about or understand it enough to speak knowledgeably about the subject, I also know that my hundreds and thousands of experiments have shown me a very clear pattern of correlations that form a straight and unmistakable line for me to conclude, with lots of data points, that it works. It’s not for everybody, and that’s fine. But to assume knowledge of the subject when you don’t have any is a poor way of learning new things, indeed. It also makes you sound foolish to those who really do know what they’re talking about.
Back on topic… I am confident that Panty Scorcher is going to be able to be released eventually. Just need to give it time for the current crop of crap to blow over. It seems to be that I’m not the only one who’s getting hit hard right now.
This is obviously a subject that is very close to you (thus the strong reaction).
**First of all, I must apologize; after reading many of your posts, I understood that astrology was a significant part of your “calculator”, otherwise I wouldn’t have even brought it up. Your posts seem to imply that you were creating mixes based on your “astrological” information of a particular situation. I suppose that you could also replace that “information” with psychological/behavioral profiles/info of men/women, compared with your own or the situation, but I would assume that the “astrological” info would eventually effect the psychological info with regards to the creation of the mix.
What exactly are the areas of knowledge that you use in your “calculator”, other than rough chemistry (as we don’t actually know the exact chemical formulas). This should be general enough as to not give away any of your secrets, and still help us to better understand your process, as I clearly have misunderstood it.
As for the PUA community looking for something less subtle; are you really going to tell me that products like A314 (the V in DHV)- Instant Jerk (Cocky Funny Anyone?) - or PS would not give someone a huge advantage in a pickup situation. With the PUA community considering everything about a social interaction, even down to sitting or standing, the missed opportunity of using mones seems to be a massive oversight. How exactly would you pickup a girl “better” and “faster” without using mones? That seems like saying that you can pickup women faster by not being wealthy. ???**
I’m sorry I’m gonna have to press you on these points.
““You said If you really look at how the “debunkers” treat the subject, you’ll see that they apply a double standard.””
What double standard exactly?
Secondly, you said
““What they do to “debunk” astrology, they would never do to the science they hold so precious, because the same thing would happen: people would stop considering it valid!””
What theory exactly out there are scientists trying not to debunk out of fear it will become invalid? By definition Science is always trying to disprove it self, called falsifiability.
I mean in the scientific method you get points for proving yourself wrong.
The fact that something is falsifiable makes it science. If it’s not falsifiable, it’s not by definition science.
If Catlord doesn’t use any astrological information to create the mixes, then you’re right, we’re off track on this thread. If, however, he is using astrology in any way to determine the mixes, then we are no longer using evidence-based reasoning, but belief.
It is also possible that both can be true: Catlord could be using a belief system for astrology, and yet, still be using experience to create magnificent mixes. Bottom line: his mixes are incredible, and I’m not prepared to throw the baby out with the bath water!
