which putatives (not mixes) should any self-respecting phero-researcher have in his or her arsenal? i have P74, P79, P83 and P88. P80, P86, P87, P90, P93, P95 and P96 are planned purchases. what else should i consider, what dosages?
My suggestion is to try just a few at a time. It takes me some time to fully understand whats going on with each putative, given their experimental nature and the lack of supporting documentation. Even if you see results with them right away, its hard to associate the effects to the pheromones conclusively without seeing a pattern of consistency yourself.
Spend some time with P74, 79, and 83 for now. It gets overwhelming when you have too many putatives on your hands and you don’t really know what to do with them mix-wise…I still have quite a few on the backburner waiting to try out.
sigma, im not doing any heavy mixing. all blind studies. look at my other posts. until i record what happened, i dont know what im wearing. no preconceptions.
Frankly I think you should learn to use the MX’s first. It takes quite a bit of experience to recognize the patterns with pheromones. Even the experienced have a hard time with it. I am not saying your not quilified to do it but I always feel its best to start at the beginning. In the advanced section that would be the “experimental test mixes”. Then move on to the " experimones" Then lastly the puratives. I am not sure if Jas will let you buy from the advanced section. She did post you have to be using the consumer products and mixes for a year and posting results to get them but I am not sure they are inforcing that. Seems some people are still getting the puratives so its worth a shot I guess.
I hardly mess with the puratives even though I have most of them. But if you really feel the need to jump into the water before you learn to swim then do as Sigma suggested and just start with a few at a time. No sense making it harder then it already is by over doing it.
What dosage to use and what to mix with (which you shouldnt at first ) is all part of the testing process. You have to decide that and record your results. Generally when I do decide to test a purative or Mix I will take a big wiff out of the bottle and see if it effects me. Then start with one spray and work up. I will use the whole bottle (To-go) by itself with no other product. Then if I see results of some kind with it I will get a second bottle and try mixing it with other things and record those results. I have only fully tested one purative and that was P79 although I have tried a few others with little success. I am still learning to swim and using the MX’S.
Good luck with your testing. Looking forward to hearing your results.
Tisha
Ah I don’t know. MX’s are a pain because even if you discover exactly what they do for you many a times they will be out of stock and custom orders will cost you a lot. Many putatives on the other hand have been shown to be definite pheromones like P74, P79, P83, P93 etc.
For someone who is doing research like Pepe is doing it will be much more helpful for him to experiment with raw molecules and over a period of time he will have much greater knowledge of what works for him and be able to create a mix which is much more suitable for him and tailored to his personality and signature.
tisha, i think i add more to the community by blind testing single pheremones than mixes. i dont see many visitors doing anything as a real study. if you know what youre wearing, you will skew your observations. i spent much time reading nearly every post here before making my list of things to try, pages and pages of notes. as nbully says we dont know much about most MX and most are out of stock.
i also have different motives. i dont want to seduce, just uplift and motivate. read my other posts.
Since you are into it, you could also try P75, P80, P93 and P98 (supposedly good in asian company).
I think many of the seasoned users tested and discussed the hell outta all the known molecules, found what works for them and moved on in life. The excitement of discovery has passed and pheromones are simply woven into their daily lives. How long can you stay excited about a new cellphone or car? Not very long as you soon take it for granted and get on with living your life. Notice seasoned users don’t post here or at LS very often? Sure everyone tries something new once in a while, but it ain’t one’s job to share every nuance with the world. Besides, individual results vary considerably from zip to raining women.
I think the “G man” is spot on as far as the “excitement” dieing down after a while resulting in less posting of “results”. After all, what was once amazing is now an every day situation.
I am sure you have alot to add to the community and I have read all your posts as well as every post ever written in this forum. You wont be the first to blind test these products. There alot of seasoned people who have already done so. Some post and some report right back to Androtics. Although sex is talked about alot in this forum we have all tested in all aspects of how certain pheromones work. There are reports all over this forum.
Experimental Test mixes are closer to becoming consumer products and this is when they need serious testers to really try a product out because they wont release it as a product until the results are fairly consistant. So it may seem boring to try the products out that have already been tried and posted about but its important to Androtics.
I dont agree that alot is not known about these mixes. Once you have experience you can tell what some of the pheromones are in the mix just from smelling it. Alot of the experienced users do it and have reported what they know is in the product.
The “experimone series” are the single pheromones not the Puratives.
Puratives on the other hand may not even be pheromones. They are just suspected to be and as Jasmin has already posted ( Special Orders Not Accepted... ) they dont want new people messing with them until they have tried all the consumer products and Mixes and reported detail results on them.
I have a feeling after the expansion and meetings are over we will see this reflected in the web site more clearly.
As I said before to you I am not saying your not qualified to test or that you dont have alot to contribute to the forum but as Jasmin stated best in the post link above learn to walk before you run. Also remember there are alot of very smart men and women here who have blind tested. To imply that they havnt or that they dont know how to blind test is really an insult to all the testing they have done. Alot of these guys have spent alot of time and money testing in different enviroments with different races and dosages and have made fantastic discoveries.
I am sure as time go’s on and you decide what it is you want to test you will be one of the discovers as well.
Tisha
May runs to hide her precious P74 stash
Mind you that’s not a even a putative any more - it got promoted didn’t it? Please tell me it did!
Thats probably true for the molecules that have been around for a while (though note for example how eg tacitus will now and then return to his roots and play with a basic rone-heavy mix). Thing is there are so many new compounds coming out that I don’t think anyone really yet has a good sense for the nuances of each one and the combinatorics of mixes, let alone some of the context-dependent behaviour.
P83,P93,P90 are all really quite useful and interesting notes yet I don’t think anyone properly understands them as yet. The number of experienced users and longtime forum participants with developed perceptions and insight is really quite small and so when people go quiet now and then due to involvement in other projects, it has a real impact on the speed at which one learns about new molecules.
Personally I am still quite excited about the new releases - just wish I could get hold of some of them more quickly. (Jasmin - are you listening 
Actually, all of the putative series pheromones were released without any prior information as to what they do, or if these compounds have any characteristics of a pheromone at all. Androtics is purposely very tight lipped about the putatives when they’re initially released, to eliminate the possibility of expectations skewing the process of finding reliable results.
In actuality, users who arbitrarily picked up putative pheromones when the batches were first released (when no info on them was available) were the first to really blind test these molecules, though they may not have utilized formalized testing methods. What little we know about the putatives now available is a product of feedback from users testing these molecules, many times blindly.
If your goal is to truly blind test these molecules without any prior bias, I personally think the very act of asking which putatives, in which specific doses are worthwhile can greatly skew how you perceive their effects. I’m not doubting the worth of your contributions to the community (looking forward to it actually), but we should give credit to those out there who did take the time and money to test these pheromones out…and contributed to the information we have available here.
What, the thrill is gone and everything is old hat? Seasoned users have to live their life and stick to what works for them most of the time? Or we like to try something new every once in a while but have better things to do than post a blow by blow description?
I didn’t say I wasn’t interested in trying new products. I am and in fact do as previously stated. It’s just that pheromones are not my life, an obsession nor important enough in the main scheme of things to diddle away daily life testing and writing up every new product. Most of us have better things to do and in fact spend most of the day actually working and rushing around like a crazy person!
With all that said, my dresser top and cupboard are covered with chemset and premixed products of every shape, size and description. I’ve spent thousands of greenbacks on these little stinky bottles of artificial BO 'n piss, many of which I haven’t had the time to actually test. And many of which have proved to yield zero benefit for my persona and body chemistry no matter what dose is used. It takes months of trial and error to really get a handle on something new. I have far more duds than hits, wasting time, money and opportunities. Perhaps 1 out of 5 products has proven truly useful, 2 out of mildly useful and the remainder are totally useless. I certainly feel no no urgency to buy 'n try every dad burn P series as I have dozens of tried 'n true mixes that work just fine for me.
Wow Gegogi you got that right! Now that you got the job and married the girl things settle down a bit. I have found the mixes that generally work for me and that gets me by. Not to say I don’t occasionally putz around with the other 20-odd bottles of goodies, mixes, and scents, but it’s not so “gee whiz” any more. I do wish I could re-ignite that initial excitement tho…
thanks tisha, its good to know this is an exclusive club, where newcomers are invited to sit down and shutup because everything has already been discovered, so dont bother. i feel so welcomed. thanks for saving me the time of sharing my research and planning to be an active participant here. grateful for all ive learned, but ill be a Mystery Boy 's uncle before i try to contribute where im not wanted.
yes, i do have several of the putatives, and a unique and valuable view on things, and resources that few have access to. plus, i know how to treat people well, having the social graces to do quite well without pheremones rather than feel threatened and snotty right off the bat. ive held my tongue but every response youve made to me has the tone of a bratty child who gets upset if any eye wanders from her.
i wish jasmin and MHarris all the best, as well as capone, visionary and a few other polite visitors ive met. on my way out the door, i hold my nose, look discerningly at tisha and say “Girl, you stinky!”
(admit it, it is funny…)
Perhaps you misread Tisha’s discourse? Methinks she was giving Pepe-San darn tootin,’ sincere and heartfelt advice. There was nothing snotty or unwelcoming in her words or tone. Perhaps your ego is so delicate that advice is perceived as an attack? Or must everyone agree with your point of view to feel welcome? I know about this because as a young upstart my ego was so huge it got stuck in the door. Moreover I often misread the best advice and intentions of others as a putdown. However, that was my problem–not theirs–and I eventually learned to ignore the little devil on my shoulder.
Well Pepe I am sorry you feel that way and it was never my intention to make you feel unwelcome or like you should shut up, I was just giving you my opinion
. Its not an exclusive club and you are of course welcome. I am a pretty straight forward person and if that was what I wanted I would have just told you to shut up.
I would just like to add that never once did I insult you and believe me I am not in the least threatened by you or your presence in the forum. You are entitled to your opinion so if you think I am a snotty bratty stinky child (snort) that is your preogative.
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By all means carry on with your research and post about it and I will refrain from bothering you over here in the mens section.
I still wish you the best of luck in your testing.
Tisha
Take it easy ya!
It’s just a “small misunderstanding” It sometimes happen even in a family… we are a big ‘family’ here, so, I hope you enjoy being here. Anyway, I have a bigger problem to think of…The Middle East Peace Talks!! They sure need some good Putatives, I guess!
Plz apply it. . .