Hey all, Bob here!
I just got reporting user status…so I of course want to buy some newly discounted Putative and Experimone pheromones, problem is I don’t have a clue what any of them are supposed to do!
Can anyone give me a quick briefing on what does what?
Thanks!
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Spaceland
Full size IS double strength
Ammo
(probably) Female Magic
P79
TAA
TAC
P102 (probably)
p83 is strange in that it blatantly does several very distinct things for me. It will increase touching BIG TIME. People will touch you, themselves or just fidget with objects but it will usually be you they touch. People who usually otherwise wouldn’t touch you because of nerves or something will also touch you. I don’t know why but some say it reduces inhibitions. So it doesn’t discriminate who touches you, shy people may touch you just as much as confident people.
The second thing p83 does for me is make people talk about sex. It seems to create sexual attraction and that is probably why it gives people the message to start talking very openly about sex. It does attract girls, for sure.
p74 is amazing. It’s makes people very connected and have a good time together. It causes lots of laughter and silly talking. Gives me a spring in my step. Not only gives of the vibe that the wearer is charismatic but makes him charismatic at the same time. I say him but it’s gender neutral by the looks of some of the reports round here. Having said that I have got some major hits of girls I’ve never met before whilst wearing just p74 and TAA. It isn’t to surprising after all as the molecule gives you a very attractive presence but not necessarily sexual. It will draw people into you.
TAA is for me a better Instant Shine. Instant Shine gives me a subtle fuzzyness of energy, like a warm glow coming of me. TAA does the same only the frequency of fuzzyness increases a little. It’s still subtle although when I add it to p74 at equal ratios the mix is anything but subtle.
Those are the only ones I have tested extensively. If you do a search there are loads of threads already.
Thanks Wildflower that was an awesome read. 
Wishlist?
Short answer? All of them.
Long answer? p79, p74, p83, p93 are putatives that a lot of people like. As for test molecules, TAF, and TAA are popular. TAC is getting some exposure too, TAK is weird, TAH and TAL are feminine.
There is plenty of detailed information in Visionary’s thread ‘the big four’ about p74, p79, p83 and p93. You can do searches on TAA and TAF, as well as the other test molecules.
But ultimately, the most helpful reports are the ones where you don’t know what each putative/test molecule is supposed to do, and just reporting your observations as objectively as possible.
So, give them a try and let us know what it does for you.
I am loving P93. The uplift feeling it gives! I have been using Tac, but not on it’s own like I should. I have been using it to help with the none from what I have read.
I have not had the right place to test it, been to busy at my job. But will do so I know just what it brings to a mix.
Since you’re asking for a wishlist, I’d like a return of PheromoneProof with Ammo scent. Pretty much was a frickin’ babe magnet for me (especially with a couple zaps of TAA). Might be too strong for college boys and 20-somethin’.
HAte to state the obvious, but that’s your job to find out as a “reporting user status” member. If Putative effects were nailed down they wouldn’t be Putatives now would they? In contrast, most Experimones are standard mones, but merely in raw and unmixed form, and as such have well established properties. You don’t have to google very far to find a shitload of scientific and anecdotal information about the likes of A1, androstenone, nol, rone, EST, etc. The basics for standard mones (experimones) are summarized at http://pherolibrary.com/
Obviously this very forum is overflowing with user reports on the Putatives. I suggest you search and study if you wanna bone up before ordering. Just realize results vary greatly with individuals–not to mention a huge gap in reporting skills–so you must read a lot of reports and kinda “average” them yourself.
Gegogi, is there a thread somewhere that outlines which standard pheromone is which test molecule? Like TAC is really EST, or something along those lines?
Otherwise, I have no idea what standard molecule TAC, TAK, TAA, etc are and the pherolibrary is useless with regard to finding that relevant information. Just curious.
Well, EST is Estratetraenol as indicated in the product description. It’s a fairly well known natural mone (women produce it–seems to relex men) and was long used in a commercial product (Realm). TAC, TAK and TAA are original creations of Androtics and thus are not standard mones and, of course, the chemical composition is a trade secret. Also, in contrast to Putatives, Experimones are not test mones and are used in many of AD’s commercial mixes like the Instant series. They’re merely offered in raw and unmixed form for folk that like to “roll their own.” As I wrote above, the pherolibrary is great for learning the basics of industry standard pheromones.
Sorry, I misunderstood your post. I thought you were saying the test molecules were renamed standard molecules. Completely forgot that they sell -none, -rone, etc there as well.
Pherophreak, I would encourage you to get at least one of the lesser tested putatives and do some thourough testing with it and report back. Yes, get some of the faves P74, P79, P83 are some that come first to mind and were the first three I got. They are still in need of reports on those I guess, but look also to adding to the general knowlege base by getting something like P75, P76 (two I’ve tried) P77, P78 (almost no reports on the board) ect.
TAA - Reduces personal distance/ here & now
TAC - Physical relaxation, especially lower body/Hilarity. Click for TAC vs. TAA
TAF - Perceptual dishabituation, focus
TAH - Feminine, kitten
TAL - Feminine A314
TAK - Dissociative, abstraction, STFU
EST - Baby, I love you/cuddly
MEO-EST - Sensual M.S.G. of pheros
P74 - Male cooperation
P75 - *(P75 - I'm a Man)
P76 - Smiling
P77 - Execute
P78 - female happy sauce
P79 - Masculine kinetic
P80 - Masculine impetus
P81 - Big picture energizing, sometimes arousing
P82 - calming, not sedating
P83 - Disinhibits
P84 - Phero caffeine
P85 - Be treated like an old friend?
P86 - Visual attraction (Gawd, you’re beautiful!)
P87 - Cold empathy
P88 - the urge to merge
P89 - solid, Capt. Sullenberger
P90 - Cognitive connection
P91 - Posh status
P92 -Nootropic
P93 - Caucasian magic
P96 - Good humor
P97 - promotes conversation
P98 - dreamland
P100 - Energy, motivation
P101 - DHV?
P102 - Enhances nonvisual (taste, auditory)?
P103 - Lifts burdens, awakens
P104 - Care free?
P106 - Worthy, helpful, task oriented
P123 - blunt
P124 - Balances TAC
P126 - the exhibitionist*
Are you saying TAC might cause me to shit myself..?
I haven’t had that effect, but some people think it makes a woman more orgasmic. And men, too, according to Diane.
When I go running, my muscles don’t get sore as easily.
I wanted to ask you about that a little bit, Warren - the lower body relaxation and exercise. I’m reordering TAC soon (I ran out), so I haven’t been able to test it out solo the way I want to, to pin it down better. But that’s coming.
If I remember correctly, TAC had some pretty specific effects for you, namely ease at regaining baseline relaxed state for the heart with cardio workout, and most likely for all the major muscles. Is that correct? And you also mention less likelihood of muscle injury during your workout. You equated that with a general relaxation of the muscles, correct?
I get a slightly different feel with TAC, but it may be the same effect in a different setting, or just me thinking about TAC differently.
TAC doesn’t interfere with your ability to do the workouts at all, right? Rather it enhanced your workout and made it less likely for you to become injured. I’m thinking that rather than overall lower body relaxation, it is more like there is no competing (neurotic) tension from muscles that shouldn’t be involved during your workout. I’m defining neurotic muscle tension as back, shoulder and other muscle tension that would interfere and possibly contribute to injury during workout.
If you took, for example, a muscle relaxant, you would get muscle relaxation - across the board - and that definitely would interfere with your workout (and cause sedation) and possibly contribute to injury. If you were overly anxious and tense, that also would interfere with your workout and could cause injury.
The effect I get from TAC when I use it in my sexy mixes, is of promoting correct tension while blocking the neurotic tension that would interfere with arousal and sensation during sex.
I’m not sure what normal sexual arousal feels like in the muscles for a guy, but I’m going to assume it is the same… namely, the long muscles elongate and build tension, while the other muscles relax. The amount of long muscle elongation and tension build-up contributes to overall body pleasure during sex and enhances orgasm (well, for me it does). I’m assuming it is the same for guys.
Okay, I’m not sure if that made sense or was clear. But the bottom line is I think we agree on what TAC does. If you remember anything else about your workout session, if your memory of that agrees or disagrees with what I’ve said here, I’d love to have that feedback.
Diane
Oh, my list:
P74 - cool, harmonious empathy
P79 - Wild-card intensifier
P80 - Masculine, Spartan! War-like, intense
P83 - Do me right now, Goddamnit! Or leave me alone.
P86 - My Gawd! You are so beautiful! Why didn’t I notice before?
P93 - Lets all get busy and get it done
P102 - Total yum factor, butterfly pleasure (with meo-est)
P103 - Body pleasure intensifier (with meo-est); stop the thinking, already!
P107, P108 - Out of Stock <sigh>
TAC - body, body, body
TAF - signal intensifier, pheromone dishabituator, social phobia eraser; a spritz will wake up your pheromones without needing to reapply
Meo-Est - sensual for women, relaxing for guys
Pheromones that I love:
Androstenone - a little goes a long way
Androstenol, Alpha and Beta - dose and ratio dependent reactions
Androsterone - Alpha Male High Value
Estratraenol - Peace Keeper, Cuddle Maker
Diane
The answer to all your questions is YES.
TAC seems to relieve neurotic tension – especially in the lower part of the body, for some reason.
P103 is different, but it makes me feel a weight has been lifted off my shoulders (i.e. neurotic tension held in my shoulders is relaxed).
Interesting that I (and others) should feel P103 in the shoulder area and TAC in the pelvis and legs. I don’t really know what to make of that. Steve described P103 as “careless”. So the burden of having to do something is lifted from my shoulders. Whereas the TAC might be more effective against sexual repression?
From whence comes the hollow feeling I experience with TAC… that P124 fills?
Warren, this is a very extended list and a top post.
Something like this list in a sticky for advanced users only would be a great idea.
Not sure… I haven’t tried P124… yet. But from what I’ve read of the few reports available, P123 and P124 are sort of differently directed verbal disinhibitors. So, both P123 and P124 probably make you more outwardly directed and less conscious of your body.
Do you get that hollow feeling using TAC when you are with someone, or only when you are alone and using TAC? Maybe that hollow feeling is how your body defines loneliness. maybe that hollowness might be related to body hunger for a partner. Don’t poets sometimes call a lover someone who fills the void?
There was a guy, Milton Erickson (a genius and great man, imo) who was a pretty famous psychologist who worked almost exclusively with subconscious processes in his patients. He was awesome. One thing I learned from studying his works is that our minds can always lie to us, and can (and do) justify and/or rationalize anything. But our bodies never lie… they aren’t capable of it. And the subconscious mind… that is our bodies’ non-verbal awareness. So, if you want to know the truth without the filters, learn to listen to your body.
Just a thought…
Diane
Gotta love these two. Turning a simple wishlist into an informational seminar. Keep up the good work! Constantly and productively expanding our knowledge base.
+reps.
I tried many of the molecules detailed above although most proved uneventful and have hence faded from my memory. However I use TAA almost daily and can’t bare to characterize it as “Reduces personal distance/ here & now.” That’s far too dry a description. As a standalone it does little for me. However, it really amps up a stiff dose of alpha androstenol into a mindless babble and frenzied feel-good fest. I also love it partnered with PheroProof and NPA as it tones down the edginess and opens up the female floodgates. My TAA report:
Okay, ain’t nuttin’ “Feminine, kitten” about TAH. I nearly got jacked off by my hygienist while wearing it. I’d characterize it as the lovin’ molecule in my report:
As for TAF, or Molecule F, here’s my report from a pro musician’s perspective:
My point is target responses to these molecules are greatly varied and a few descriptive words don’t really do them justice.