High-dose A314 (say 6-10 drops) with a quality Copulins product (such as Essence of a Woman aka EW) – interested in how this would compare to the classic sexually arousing/jerky effect of Androstenone-Copulins combo products like Instant Jerk and Dirty.
Head to head comparison of P76 with AndrostEnone. Differences and similarities. What can P76 do that AndrostEnone can’t and vice versa.
Head to head comparison of P90 with Beta-Androstenol. Differences and similarities. What can P90 do that Beta-Androstenol can’t and vice versa.
P85’s exact role in social mixes – what can this useful social putative add as compared to established pheromones like Alpha-Androstenol, Beta-Androstenol, TAA, Estratetraenol, etc.
An almost zero-AndrostEnone ‘sexual’ mix – I am thinking Twilight Alchemy Labs’ Caliph’s Beloved (high in ‘sensual’ Cinnamon) for the cover scent, Instant Gentleman or A314 (for the AndrosteRone warm masculine presence), a little TAF, TAL, P83, P79, a quality Copulins product (such as Essence of a Woman aka EW), and possibly other additions like Meo-Est, P75, P76, P90 and P93.
MX105/P74 with added Alpha-Androstenol mixes (the ‘Younger man’s A314’/’Cool guy vibe’ combo). Could it help people gain an advantage and confidence in social situations, especially say younger guys, in the same way A314 does in workplaces?
Tacitus’ beloved P86/P96 (possibly with added P74) social combo as an alternative to the established pheromones like Beta-Androstenol. I am thinking less compulsive ‘sharing’ of what’s on the mind while keeping Beta-Nol’s rapport gains was what tacitus was trying to achieve.
Monster doses of putatives. People experimenting with say 300 mcg of added individual putatives in social situations like parties, work lunches, and also in intimate encounters.
Ahhh this is a cool ideal, we should have one weekly experiment that members can opt into if they have the required products to do it and then all report back to the thread after we do the tests.
Maybe we can do one test for the females to do and one for the males and then have weeks where its unisex.
Hmm interesting… We can get some cool reports going then.
Great ideal Visionary reps to you. Pm me if your interested in organizing something like this. I would help and I am sure steveO to if you need it. We can post the experiments in the therorys or studies sections and do our own lttle studies.
Hey thanks for the support Tisha!
I am pretty busy at the moment (though you wouldn’t know it with all the long posts I’m making ) but let me know if you or someone else want to drive something like this - I would definitely help out.
I am sure MHarris and Jasmin (and SteveO now too) do their own little experiments all the time as well. That is why certain ingredients are put together into MXs after all.
But yea it would be fun to actually have a purpose behind tests with the putatives especially (and the purpose not just being to help to getting laid more)!
Now a couple of other ideas to make it 10:
9) nbully’s idea in a thread a few months back of putting different skin bacteria and combining these with Androtics Pheromones. Would this result in better and more hits as the bacteria may convert the pheromones in really ‘natural’ ways.
10) putting a mix say of every single one of the 40 known pheromones (including putatives). Say 0.1 mcg of each one per spray (or per drop of oil). I wonder whether this would mimic more ‘natural’ reactions that people might get from their own pheromones.
Good ideals, I will give steveO a call later and get his input on what they would like to see tested and maybe some of the more experienced guys and gals can kick in there ideals as well as what different putatives and mixes to test and we will give it a go in the Therory section. I can make them stickies or something just to keep it more organized. I think we should start slow with a few basic mixes of putative and stuff then work up to mixing 40 putatives LOL, although I can do that now cause I have them all.
We want people to have what we are testing and we could post upcoming tests to give people time to get products needed if they want to join in.
Experienced and not so experienced members let me know what mixes you would like to see tested and if any of you are interested in participating in something like this?? I know Tater mentioned something simular so he should have some good ideals as well.
This could be fun. I haven’t touched a putative nor very many of the mxs so I would be happy with a mx or putative of the week with a shared results thread.
Count me in. How about 1 man and 1 woman each apply a heavy sexual mix and ride a crowded elevator for a while? I would LOVE to see what happens with that.
Also, some different self-effects experiments. Different mixes, same situation like purchasing something where there is alot of sales one-on-one. Obviously job interviews. Just when you need a general boost. For ex: if I dont feel like working out, I just add more MX135 -a few minutes later I am energized. Stuff llike that!
Well I dont know if I can pull that one off with out the help of my scientist brother, Plus how we gonna know what skin bacteria we are working with. There are hundreds of them. Plus I am a girl and refuse to believe I have any bacteria on my diva bath body
I kinda like this one, Lets see who has every single mone and MX just about??? SteveO, Tater, myself, probably nbully
I think the first tests should be with A314 like you mention above and Maybe various doses of P83 and P79 These all all popular.
For the ladies they can use MX103 or MX134 and P83 and P79
I am still thinking on it. I need some people to get the new putatives though. MX123 124 125 really need testing and P106 (has that been released yet ???) nope LOL scrape that one..
After I talk to steveO I will post the for april and the mixes and see who is going to participate.
Hey Visionary, great ideas. Too bad I can’t rep you just yet.
Tisha made some great suggestions about how this can be conducted so if you can come up with a plan for testing and if I have the required pheros I will be on it.
Thanks for the reps people but sorry I would prefer seeing something new tried not just experimenting with Shine and Androstenone for example. Those things have been done to death on the forum in the last couple of years even at high dosages.
With super strength Shine you will get people acting happy and expressive, surrounding the wearer.
With Androstenone you will get people acting more aggressive, flirty, some getting horny, but tense probably depending on a lot of variables at the time they are exposed to it.
I would much prefer testing of putatives and not just random testing at that. “Can we get something better or new and unique if we tried this molecule instead of this one” for example.
I want people to go where no man or woman has gone before pheromone wise.
Perhaps the high dose A314 (6-10 drops) with added Copulins mix could be tried as a first experiment by people who have such combinations. Maybe they could add some social pheromones to it if they like (say Alpha-Androstenol) but no added AndrostEnone product. We want to find out here the difference between the high dose A314-Copulins combo and AndrostEnone-Copulins combos like Instant Jerk and Dirty.
The kind of insights I would like to see from experiments are like those from posts pasted in below.Not just random experimenting but actually trying to find ways of using putative pheromones/MXs to do things we cannot do at the moment with our current mixes.
For example Tacitus said: “I have even imagined that P88 (https://pheromonelabs.com/) might be useful in therpeutic settings where those with low social awareness could be trained to read subtle shifts in emotional states and learn appropriate responses.”
Another example of a great insight resulting in ‘progress’ is the following from Capone: "I think [P83 when added to a high A314 with added Instant Honesty mix] would be useful in certain enviroments where people must feel a connection between you and them and they do things for you because they want to mantain and not lose that connection and being happy with you. Though no phero is going to make nobody to spent a million dollars in a house if it is not needed, this could possibly make a difference.
In meetings/presentations, for example, I think people would do an applause because they don’t want to break the connection they think they have with you but, if the decision were to be made with a secret vote system (they can say anything without fear to lose empathism with you) it would not be too much advantage because people will know that there is no risk of getting you upset personally.
I like to imagine it like if you had some long years ago friend and you don’t want to dissapoint him doing something bad, or like if you had just met a beautiful girl and you feel a special connection that you don’t want to fuck (the connection, not the girl ) saying nonsenses, and you are worried about what you should do or say. It’s that kind or effect."
The strangeness of P88 P88 is shaping up to be an odd but interesting one… after a morning of exposure to 30 mu my head is in a non-typical place, perceptionwise… I feel, well… not disoriented but somehow reoriented to information… for one thing I’m vastly more aware of facial information… not all information, especially not the global perceptual sharpening of TAH (https://pheromonelabs.com/)… specific awareness of facial expression… I’m reading faces in exquisite detail…
as it would turn out, the brain has a module for facial awareness, and P88 (https://pheromonelabs.com/) appears to activate that module…"
tacitus (August 31, 2006):
"…P88 (https://pheromonelabs.com/), do be advised, is a wholly different thing… it is a percepti-pheromone… it shifts what your mind is attuned to perceive… technically it is kind of “anti-autistic”… you will be more clearly attuned to facial expressions… that might be useful, that might be TMI, could even be romantic as all get out if you want to be absorbed by someones face… OTOH, if I were to be around less than enlightened beings who were radiating freaky or uncomfortable vibes, I might be grossed out minus my protective particle shield…"
tacitus (February 1, 2007):
“…P88 increases your “seeing”, in the sense that you have greater visual attunements to the micro-expressions (Paul Ekman has written extensively about micro-expression awareness) of those around you… this relates directly to a specific region in the brain called the Fusiform Gyrus which decodes facial expression and is obviously well developed in those with good social awareness… I have even imagined that P88 (https://pheromonelabs.com/) might be useful in therpeutic settings where those with low social awareness could be trained to read subtle shifts in emotional states and learn appropriate responses…”
P83 as a way of further increasing A314's potential gains in Personal Power - #2 by capone (P83 as a way of further increasing A314's potential gains in Personal Power)
Capone (December 17, 2007):
"When p83 (Experimental Pheromone P83 - Alpha A314) arrived home I started using it with A314 and maybe a little betanol for work. I usually notice some envy feelings from other man when using A314+Beta Androstenol and **mixing it with **p83 made the mix a little more social and people react more in the way “He’s an alpha man, but when I talk to him I am not frightened, he considers him almost a friend, an equal, and i am not an equal” so he cound end doing us a favor to compensate this, using A314 and betanol only it was more social in other way, more like “he’s an alpha but when I talk to him he’s much superior to me, he’s forgiving my life, why am I talking to him?”, and normally ended in some commentaries about how “high I am”.
Anyway I stopped using it after a week because of a very sexual hit on a female coworker.
Visionary IMHO, p83 (Experimental Pheromone P83 - Alpha A314) can be used por empathism and that could convince people that they think the same as you, but used for men that’s ok. **The problem comes when used in women, the tiniest (very very tiny) sexual insinuation (let’s say a longer look) could end in sexual arousement in a work enviroment (I must say sometimes girls are only suddently hot but they don’t have to necessarily relate it to you and go search her husband). So it should be worn keeping this in mind if your targets are women.
Just an opinion, maybe it could be used without -none, let’s say only -Androsterone instead of A314 for avoiding this?
**PD: My dose was 12.5mcg and 25mcg **p83 (don’t remember how much i worn when sexual hits happened) + 3 x A314. Maybe using less we get more women emphatogen than sexual effects?"
https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p83-as-a-way-of-further-increasing-a314s-potential-gains-in-personal-power/7367/4
Capone (December 18, 2007):
"…I think it complements very well, IMO p83 (Experimental Pheromone P83 - Alpha A314) is more emphatetic than purely social so it does not lessen the admiration effect of A314 (though **Instant Honesty does but they talk too much, and that’s more power for you in certain cases). I have had extra cordiality and some more friendliness but with respect, it seems like if I was a great man mixing with the normal people and I have chosen you for talking so you must try to make me happy (respect like with A314 alone but without shyness and unnaccesible effect but definitely with full admiration, it’s like if I highered his level not like if I lowered mine).
I think [P83] would be useful in certain enviroments where people must feel a connection between you and them and they do things for you because they want to mantain and not lose that connection and being happy with you. Though no phero is going to make nobody to spent a million dollars in a house if it is not needed, this could possibly make a difference.
In meetings/presentations, for example, I think people would do an applause because they don’t want to break the connection they think they have with you but, if the decision were to be made with a secret vote system (they can say anything without fear to lose empathism with you) it would not be too much advantage because people will know that there is no risk of getting you upset personally.
I like to imagine it like if you had some long years ago friend and you don’t want to dissapoint him doing something bad, or like if you had just met a beautiful girl and you feel a special connection that you don’t want to fuck (the connection, not the girl ) saying nonsenses, and you are worried about what you should do or say. It’s that kind or effect.
P83 (Experimental Pheromone P83 - Alpha A314) is better in this effect than p74 because IMO p74 tames a lot the respect thing in A314 with that cool vibe (i only tested it three days and didn’t like how it combined with A314, at least for working).
I do not have any EST for testing, sorry.
The betanol part of the equation in my test is important, at least for me, to tame the shyness of talking to you because of the big-respect thing in A314, if they don’t talk a lot, they don’t really feel that “special connection” between us, so I use Instant Honesty so they can blabla a little about things they should not have said with our real friendship level so they can imagine helped byp83 there’s a connection betweet us because we share some personal or secret thingies.
I must say I have noticed this bondness effect only with men, women seem to be affected normally by A314 (A314 Classic Edition – Trust & Respect Pheromone for Men - Alpha A314)+Instant Honesty but not from “connection-83”, and if they are, they confuse things and feel that connection IMO with -none and your high vibe, like if there is special love or something. It only happened once, enough (it was a partner’s girlfriend), so I can’t say it’s a fact.Maybe using with -Androsterone alone or +p93 orMolecule A – Carefree Youthful Uplifting Pheromone - Pheromone Labs
Capone (December 20, 2007):
“…I must say p83 (Experimental Pheromone P83 - Alpha A314) has really surprised me, much more than ****p79, for example, or at least its effects seem more consistent…**”
I’m up for some fun with this! I volunteer to bathe in MX135 just as soon as Jas sends me the 55 gallon drum-full. Seriously, I haven’t ODd on this yet & don’t know if I could.
I have some of the other mixes & putatives you mentioned, Tisha. Let me know what y’all find up your sleeves. I’d love to have more people, especially women, try P103 - it sounds fun. Maybe the mad scientists could read over this post, take a look at what we’ve mentioned, some of the stuff we already have & have tried… they might have a monster mix or putative dosage they want to have tried??? Guinea pigs for hire out here, guys!!! Who knows, we could have another MX135 on our hands after all is said & done!! Wouldn’t that be awesome??
Well, now that I OD on Instant Honesty & the weird experience I had (post in womens section). My husband knows everythig and would like to experiment too. I guess I have a partner.
I agree with Visionary, What we can do is get some of the new Putatives. I talked to steveO and this is what they really need tested right now. Very few people have tried them and reported and they have been out a for a few months now.
P124 thru P126 Who has any of these and who is willing to add 1 or 2 of them into your next orders.
We can work with those individually and then use them with some of out regualr products and see what kind of reactions we get.
Whoa, Phernoob!!! Not necessarily " "! That could FUN!!!
I just got a Turn Up The Heat to-go the other day… just sprayed some on my upper lip to keep smelling it to see what the self affect would be… I can’t tell you how many times I’ve had to backspace & correct what I’m typing!!! My mind is buzzing and i SO WISH IT WAS SUNDAY NIGHT WHEN AN OLD FWB SHOULD BE STOPPING BY… !!! OMG!!!
My reasoning in combining these two was to combine two ‘reproductive signals’ without bothering with any of the social pheromones and leaving out AndrostEnone. Perhaps I was trying to project the high value man who was in a stable relationship (and getting plenty of sex hence the reasoning for plenty of Copulins as well).
So I tried something similar to the above experiment a few weeks back. I wore 4 drops of A314 and lots and lots of the only Copulins product I have which is called Amazon Passion Oil (results of this product are very similar for me to other Copulins products so I know it’s just Cops in the oily mixture in this product). This was covered by Jacomo de Jacomo Rouge Eau de Toilette.
Anyway results, as might be expected, were weird. In a meeting where I knew approximately half the group, one stranger (a married middle aged male who came there alone) stared at me quite a bit (must’ve been the Copulins as I’ve had these weird stares from men when I’ve worn them before).
The Copulins definitely seemed to liven up the A314 at least a bit. Normally with that much A314 on (and without plenty of comfort mones) conversations would be very serious. I actually managed a bit of joking around though with at least one lady though.
I don’t have that much experience with them, but I get the feeling that plenty of Copulins in the air make people act a bit crazy at times. Me and a woman were making some silly jokes (interspersed with serious conversation) while her partner looked on. She wasn’t particularly friendly after that moment though.
At the supermarket later, after I had reapplied the Copulins, I had a young Asian Indian looking woman momentarily say something friendly and personal almost (as if I was wearing Alpha-Nol and Beta-Nol) before she regained her composure and was in that familiar restrained serious A314 mode.
What I really noticed was my sense of confidence when I reapplied the Copulins. It felt like I was wearing a moderate dose of AndrostEnone almost - I just wanted to go for it and started chatting to some stranger lady outside. It must be the Testosterone boost from the Copulins. It’s a nice addition to the serious A314 vibe without making things too jovial.
Anyway in future I may try: Instant Gentleman + Copulins (am not sure IG will be ‘masculine’ enough to counter the female vibe that Copulins may be projecting but at least it will be far less ‘serious’ than A314)
A314 + Copulins + P83 (combining P83 with Copulins should cause some real moments of wild behaviour and ‘temporary brain lapses’ from people)
A314 + Raw Power + Copulins (something like an Instant Jerk/Dirty kind of effect with added A314 for projecting ‘higher status’ - a higher status jerk perhaps )
) but let me know if you or someone else want to drive something like this - I would definitely help out.
from men when I’ve worn them before).