P83 as a way of further increasing A314's potential gains in Personal Power

[capone]

@Socrates

Hey Capone

So the person who is exposed to your Beta-Androstenol + A314 + P83 combo could end up doing you favours to compensate for the ‘effect’. Just curious, have you actually had any extra ‘favours’ (from guys or girls) in the time you added P83 to your mix? Do you think adding the P83 seems to lessen the ‘respect’ aspect of the mix a little – every time I add anything that is a friendly pheromone to A314 it seems to downplay some of the ‘power’/’admiration’ aspect of A314.

I think it complements very well, IMO p83 is more emphatetic than purely social so it does not lessen the admiration effect of A314 (though Instant Honesty does but they talk too much, and that’s more power for you in certain cases). I have had extra cordiality and some more friendliness but with respect, it seems like if I was a great man mixing with the normal people and I have chosen you for talking so you must try to make me happy (respect like with A314 alone but without shyness and unnaccesible effect but definitely with full admiration, it’s like if I highered his level not like if I lowered mine).

@Socrates

So you mean that P83 could be used for adding empathy and convincing people that they think the same as you? So it could be some kind of connecting agent like TaoistBiker said (see pasted posts below). I am not sure what line of work you are in Cap but how do you think this could be best exploited in a work environment – I am thinking it might be useful in Sales, when trying to convince people of ideas in meetings/presentations, and for example when trying to hype people up (and keep them hyped) to be at their best in achieving a goal. Also perhaps team building. What do you think? Does P83 do something that other empathy-promoting molecules (like P74 and Estratetraenol) and other comfort builders (like P93 and Beta-Androstenol) don’t?

I think it would be useful in certain enviroments where people must feel a connection between you and them and they do things for you because they want to mantain and not lose that connection and being happy with you. Though no phero is going to make nobody to spent a million dollars in a house if it is not needed, this could possibly make a difference.

In meetings/presentations, for example, I think people would do an applause because they don’t want to break the connection they think they have with you but, if the decision were to be made with a secret vote system (they can say anything without fear to lose empathism with you) it would not be too much advantage because people will know that there is no risk of getting you upset personally.

I like to imagine it like if you had some long years ago friend and you don’t want to dissapoint him doing something bad, or like if you had just met a beautiful girl and you feel a special connection that you don’t want to fuck (the connection, not the girl ) saying nonsenses, and you are worried about what you should do or say. It’s that kind or effect.

P83 is better in this effect than p74 because IMO p74 tames a lot the respect thing in A314 with that cool vibe (i only tested it three days and didn’t like how it combined with A314, at least for working).
I do not have any EST for testing, sorry .

The betanol part of the equation in my test is important, at least for me, to tame the shyness of talking to you because of the big-respect thing in A314, if they don’t talk a lot, they don’t really feel that “special connection” between us, so I use Instant Honesty so they can blabla a little about things they should not have said with our real friendship level so they can imagine helped by p83 there’s a connection betweet us because we share some personal or secret thingies .

I must say I have noticed this bondness effect only with men, women seem to be affected normally by A314+Instant Honesty but not from “connection-83”, and if they are, they confuse things and feel that connection IMO with -none and your high vibe, like if there is special love or something. It only happened once, enough (it was a partner’s girlfriend), so I can’t say it’s a fact. Maybe using with -Androsterone alone or +p93 or androstadienone women take off their guards and could be more affected by bondness-83?? We should try it a little .

@Socrates

Okay so that would be a problem for everyday use in a work environment. Then again P83 is a more ‘socially acceptable’ pheromone to wear out in public from my own experience than AndrosteNone. At medium dosages (25 mcg) I don’t think there is much aggression either with it whereas with Androstenone even at very low dosages it can set someone sensitive and impulsive off. Also I don’t know if ‘occasional’ sexual hits are that bad in a work environment. Unless you are saying that even at 12.5-25 mcg of P83 it can come across that the wearer (in this case you) is too sexually aggressive?

@Socrates

For me it was a big problem in a work environment but, we should try the effect without -none inside the mix and try to explain that girl that we both have a strange friendship connection, nothing sexual, but special and see if p83 could be used for friendliness with women (I think it can, i blame -none in mix but I may be wrong, just a theory).

@Socrates

Yes I would like to try that idea! Perhaps when I next get P83 I will pair it with Instant Gentleman (which is mostly AndrosteRone without any AndrosteNone at all) and see what it does in the office. Another idea is to have the MHarris/Jasmin replace all the minute amounts of AndrosteNone in A314 with P83 - and perhaps much larger amounts of P83 would be needed to avoid the following effect as described by MHarris…

It would be a very interesting experiment, if Mharris/Jasmin could read this to make a new experimental mix with all other pheros in A314 but with p83 and without any traces of -none (or a smaller quantity). Maybe new A314 already has p83 in it? Don’t think so because of the distancing effect of A314 but we do not really know… Anyway I am almost sure -none in A314
is needed for complementing that intimidation factor and other facts of A314, so maybe we could try to find an equilibrium?

@Socrates

So you weren’t wearing massive doses of P83. Perhaps if you want to take a ‘chance’ sometime you could try going higher (say 60 mcg of P83) with your regular 3 drops of A314. I also found that P83 diffused quite quickly so don’t expect any ‘hits’ that are not within 2 hours of applying the P83.

Anyway thanks again for trying this (reps to you) and let us know if you continue with this experiment.

-Visionary

I had a to go of mx158 (if i remember well) so it was 12,5mcg per spray and never used more than 25 mcg because i was experimenting at work and I try to be sure and start from above, after a week more or less and using two sprays I had this female problem and I stopped using it (ain’t testing anymore there with p83, at least in that mix, ). It was not the other part of the mix because I have tested it for months there.

I always sprayed the mix half an hour before needed so I must say those big effects and girl hit were in the 2hours barrier, in fact into the first hour.

I don’t have any p83 left, because I used it with much success in a disco-sexual-mix but I would surely try a little more at the office next time I buy in Androtics store and continue this experiment (i will buy p83 for sure, but I have found it more useful in attraction mixes, maybe an opinion ).

Has anyone had problem at work with p83? Visionary?

Thank you for your recopilations, by the way, IMO they have really boosted the putative investigation in this forum.