1 week of p83

[toilofday]

Today started my 1 week exploration into the effects of p83.

I applied 5mcg to my wrists and rubbed some on my face. For a few seconds I had a buzz. The buzz wasn’t a typical buzz. It was like taking that last shot that puts you over the edge. A little overwhelming, but still good.

After 5 minutes the personal effects started kicking in. My posture straightened, and I continued getting ready for class. It had an effect on my thought processes as I began thinking about analyzing pheromone effects. I was then very detail oriented and tried to plan a couple moves ahead. During the 1 hour drive to campus I had the radio on and was deep in though about general life issues (things to accomplish, people to talk to, situations to take care of).

I park my car and walk out into this horrific freezing weather, and make my way to a computer lab to finish up some neglected homework for the upcoming class. It was a case study. I read a business situation regarding hotel management and explain what the manager should do to fix the problem. I was completely engrossed in the story. I could create stronger environmental images, and better feel the moods of the characters. I typed up the answers and headed off to class. We had an exam that I hadn’t studied for (I know, I’m a bad student, but I pull grades). I glanced though the book reading the captions but at this point (2hrs 30min after application) I couldn’t dive into any section in detail so I was rather scattered in my studying. Once more people arrived, discussions began and I found it almost impossible to concentrate. The exam started and I was about as focused as normal. I was a little bit more scattered in thought.

It seems that if given information that stimulates imagination p83 works very well, but can be a distractant from dull information.

As far as effects on other people I did not see anything noticeably caused by p83. After I finished the exam several of my class mates were gathered outside the room and a few more showed up (the others stayed in the room). We talked about how horrible the cold weather was, how none of the buses for the fort wayne school district started, ect… I did tease this cute freshman girl that’s transferring to IUPUI next semester (as am I). I introduced myself on the first day of class, and this is the only other time we’ve talked. I broke the awkward distance between us, but I think it was a coincidence.

More testing tomorow.

[toilofday]

Today was kind of a bust, because I didn’t get to test out p83 by its self.

I had to deal with an insurace problem because this kid backed 3 feet up my hood with his jacked up truck on new years. He ruined my hood and it’s going to cost 1000 bucks to fix. He didn’t have insurance at the time and him being in a close social circle I gave him the benifit of the doubt to take care of the situation.

I put on 1 drop A314 and 2 sprays mx211. I headed out to take give him the estimate and see about payment. Things seemed ok then he called later on and he acted like he wasn’t going to pay the full amount (good thing I have witnesses, full coverage, and an unkle that runs central dispatching for the county.)

I get home and put on 10mcg of p83 and one spray of shine to the face to ward off a little bit of a funk I was in. (an hour after aplication of other phero’s). I went to get coffee, and when I walked in there was this guy waiting in line who gave me direct eye contact. I nodded and he said hi in a very shy stunned have choked manor. He seemed to not be able to divert his attention. He kept talking to me about random things. I asked him about the logo on his shirt “Awana” He told me it was a youth group that he worked with and I told him that it sounded like a great program. He asked me what I do and I told him I was a hospitality and tourism managent student at IPFW and was planning on transfering to IUPUI in Indy. We chatted about the industry for a bit, and then he told me he was a recruiter for RJM Global Marketing, and they work with fortune 500 companies. (From the way he was talking about it, I am a little about the legitimacy of the work. I was rather confused actualy)

He invited me to an information meeting tomarow at 7:00pm. It seems scetchy (his business card was obviously made on a home printer) but i’ll see what he has to say.

I’ve never seen any results like this the p83 had a decent effect. I feel it made his attention lock and increased the positives of the mx 211 (androstenol Taa), shine, and A314. This guy seemed amazed by my presence in the room.

[toilofday]

I have to go wash this stuff off. I’m getting irritated and want to relax. The caffeine from the coffee, plus the insurance deal (as I may get screwed), and the phero’s are really driving my mood to aggravation. I do get aggravated easily so this is most likely not entirely because of the pheromones, but definately increased by the p83. A314 hasn’t had this effect on me prior. It has been reported that p83 is edgy. So far this seems to fit, but it’s not a bad thing. It has a “really? you’re gonna be like that?” kind of feel to it’s edginess. It’s frustration, disappointment, and acceptance. More frustration and acceptance than disappointment. There is also a little “I should have know” in there.

This explenation of the edginess is kind of odd. Its a bunch of situation statements and feelings combined, but it’s better than edgy. Edgy is so vague.

[toilofday]

So I’m still battling this insurance deal. I went to talk to my insurance company and put on the same mix as last night to see if I could command the same respect and attention as in the coffee shop.

1 drop A314
2 sprays mx211
1 spray shine
10 mcg p83

When I was waiting in the lobby an older gentleman walked in who as I found out from listening to conversations was retired from this company and was there to have lunch with former co-workers.

I had been sitting in the lobby for a good 15 minutes prior to his arrival so there was a cloud of pheromones around me.

The older gentleman must have picked up on the phero cloud because he kept looking at me, and holding his gaze. It was almost a little uncomfortable. This kept going on for about 5 minutes. He even was looking when he was in conversation.

Everything went well with the insurance company who is prepared to go after this kid if he doesn’t cooperate with me forcing me to make a claim.

No agression or edge today. I think i’m getting used to the effects. I am still noticing very creative influences.

So far I have noticed no effect on females.

Nobody has responded, but many people have viewed this thread. I’ll take that as a sign i’m thoroughly explain my results. I hope my reports are helping to explain this putatives effects.

[MarkL]

Comparing tacitus’ notes on P83 … at one point he mentions P83 supporting “hearing people”, and P88 letting one “see people”.

I guess I am a little skeptical about the validity of this experiment in terms of isolating P83’s contribution. If you wore A314, MX211 and shine every day for a couple of weeks, and then add 10mcg of P83, then I think you are in position to notice something “different” and attribute it to the P83.

When I read your field reports, I thought “good detail” and “good self-awareness” at several points. Kudos, for sure.

But I am still doubtful about whether the effects you’re seeing are P83 driven … I would guess that the mix above would have A314 as the “driver” – so while I think you’re noticing well, I’m not ready to come to the conclusions that you are voicing.

[toilofday]

My daily mix is
1 drop A314
2 mx 207-212
1 spray shine.

I may vary it a little and use more shine while just applying androstenol instead of mx207-212 (androstenol and taa)

It evens out for the most part.

I never recieve results like this.

I intend to test P83 by it’s self, but I couldn’t risk testing p83 on such a delicate and complex situation.

I am also in a very different social area than tacitus. Things are very conservative, and people tend to hide their reaction to no end. People are acting very out of the normal social standard with p83 applied.

Thanks for responding MarkL

[Socrates]

toilofday,
thanks for the feedback on P83. I wish more people would test putatives and post results! I mean I don’t like seeing the same old stuff about Instant Honesty, Instant Openness, A314, IS, Instant Female Magic, etc. It gets tiring. They are all useful but we should be experimenting/looking for new ‘add ons’ to enhance things.The various MXs are fun to play with too but we never really know all the contents of the mixes, and if we find something that might work for us, it may be unavailable in the future or only available in a ToGo bottle. Playing around with one putative molecule like this is better IMHO. We need to learn all the properties of all the putatives in all their dosage levels.

I agree with Mark about being doubtful whether the effects you’re seeing are P83 driven. I have been playing around with P83 too and noticed at higher doses (25 mcg and over) it definitely made me quite aggressive and angry (even when coupled with ‘lighter’ pheromones like Alpha Androstenol). It also seems to create distance from people at high doses similarly to things like -None. However P83 seems to diffuse pretty quickly as compared to -None so the effect goes away within a few hours.

Perhaps you could try low doses of P83 under the nose. Jasmin said that she thought even 5 mcg might be too much and she was going to explore lower doses. And additionally you could try high doses (like 50-60 mcg) to see what that does - SwingerMD and Tacitus had good results with higher doses. If you do try the high doses probably combine it with something ‘light and happy’ like Shine. Combining high doses of P83 and -None turns me into an aggressive, angry, beast. It’s like ‘Instant Fight’ for me lol.

Anyway keep us updated of your experiments and please try low and high doses.

Visionary

[toilofday]

Thanks.

I will test a wider range of doses in the near future. My week long test just doesn’t seem to work. I don’t have enought available situations to test.

The agressiveness is definately there, and feel that the best results may be in extremely small doses as Jasmin has said.

All three times I have worn p83 I have notice an increase in what would be best explained as right brain activity.

I will test further when situation allow. I’d say somtime next week.

[toilofday]

I needed to go to sleep early, and I have general problems falling asleep to begin with. I decided to test out p83 due to the creative side i’ve experienced. I put my finger over the mouth of the bottle and turned it over and applied 1 dab to my neck and chin. I could instant feel a buzz from it. At such a low dose (I have 5mcg spray) I was suprised even though Jasmin had touched on the possible use of minute quantities. I began to feel a touch more agressive. p83 seems to realy bring that out in me. I fell asleep a little quicker. As I was lying there I began to think about my life for a few minutes then quickly tired to dispel that thought process as i’d never fall asleep. I started thinking about TV shows which helps creat a plot for my dreams. Once I was asleep my mind followed and I was creating entire episodes for my dreams. I normaly have very vivid dreams with a lot of crazy happenings. This had a higher level of order.

It didn’t seem to work as a sleep aid, but the dreams were alright.

[tacitus]

Pure pheromeoes and balanced mixes can be drastically different

I think this is because pheromones and para-pheromones must appear in nature in complex bundles, like green tea has caffeine AND theanine which synergize to form a third effect… I’m constantly studying how “softeners” like P74, Estratatraenol, Alpha-nol and Alpha-Rone, (and to my mind P86, others may prefer TAK) and my old fave response modifier, IsoE-Super, will allow something like P83 to emerge as a “note” instead of an overload… many pure putatives have been to much of unbalanced intensity, like the straaaange but captivating P87, or “talk show” P84… man, P84 can do the most outlandish things, you really do feel like you’re, live, on the air… Oprah Spray I tells ya… so I’ve “noted” a sexmix with P84 and had… errrrr… very very talky sex… like fuckafuckafuckafuck… then sit upright in a couple of chairs an talkatalkatalkatalk… then back to… P83, IN moderation, “buried deep in the mix”… can put a focused, attentive, totally in the moment quality… so it might be great for performers too, say if you wanted a band to practice hard and get their gig super tight you might balance P83 for precision and Estratetraenol for groove…

[toilofday]

Thanks for the info tacitus. Do you feel that p83 has a creative side to it as I have noticed. Your comment on using it for a band practice seems perfect for this one. (Heavy rock/metal)

[Phoenix]

I found p83 to have a quieting effect, or “puts you focused on me” mode, when used with 2 drops mutant a314… more authority, it boosted my a314 for sure.
I’ll be using it again in future..

[Socrates]

@Phoenix

I found p83 to have a quieting effect, or “puts you focused on me” mode, when used with 2 drops mutant A314… more authority, it boosted my A314 for sure.
I’ll be using it again in future..

Phoenix, how much (in mcg) P83 were you using for this effect and what were your application spots?

Thanks
Visionary

[Phoenix]

Application spots for this effect for both were my neck (front) and the dosage of P83 was 12.5mcg (one spray).

[MarkL]

2.5 mu P83

I applied to chin and inhaled during the spray. Just one spray over a mostly depleted base of A314 mutant and Instant Shine.

After about ten minutes, I started making the small muscular adjustments that remind me of trying to clear my sinuses and nasal passages when taking off in an airplane.

Except I was flexing and extending my temporoparietal muscles, the auriculares .. and some of the jaw and throat muscles as well: clearing my ears.

The next few hours riding around the city on buses and trains I was attuned to the sounds around me. Perhaps it was a shift in attention, or perhaps a real ratchet in auditory capacity – I was able to get a sense of the tone of people around me who were conversing, even when they spoke at a murmur (or I felt I did!) I seemed to have an empathetic understanding of their … “vocal intent”, if that makes any sense.

I repeated the P83 application about 8 hours later – one spray – and felt comfortable in my local bar sitting back and listening to the buzz around me. I felt I got some of the nuances of the music (videos) playing in the bar – more than I would ordinarily have picked up on – and could suss out the quality of laughter of various people there. I was able to rapidly shift my attention to tune into a short utterance from across the room, then jump back to two or three other conversations.

While I could hear words if I wanted to, I wasn’t eavesdropping – I ignored the words, for the most part, and tried to just listen to tone and rhythm.

I wondered if I’d shift into non-semantic audition (when listening to a quality of a person’s voice and you shift into a mode where although you hear the words, you only hear the words as if they were nonsense sounds; you can pick a word and repeat it until it begins to lose it’s meaning-carrying value, until it’s just a sound).

I didn’t, but I’ll make a conscious intention to go there if I can when I try P83 next.

In summary: high auditory alertness, flexibility, and perhaps even enhanced sensitivity, preceded by face and throat “gestures” or “exercises” related to “opening ears”.

[PheroQuirk]

@MarkL

I applied to chin and inhaled during the spray. Just one spray over a mostly depleted base of A314 mutant and Instant Shine.

After about ten minutes, I started making the small muscular adjustments that remind me of trying to clear my sinuses and nasal passages when taking off in an airplane.

Except I was flexing and extending my temporoparietal muscles, the auriculares .. and some of the jaw and throat muscles as well: clearing my ears.

The next few hours riding around the city on buses and trains I was attuned to the sounds around me. Perhaps it was a shift in attention, or perhaps a real ratchet in auditory capacity – I was able to get a sense of the tone of people around me who were conversing, even when they spoke at a murmur (or I felt I did!) I seemed to have an empathetic understanding of their … “vocal intent”, if that makes any sense.

I repeated the P83 application about 8 hours later – one spray – and felt comfortable in my local bar sitting back and listening to the buzz around me. I felt I got some of the nuances of the music (videos) playing in the bar – more than I would ordinarily have picked up on – and could suss out the quality of laughter of various people there. I was able to rapidly shift my attention to tune into a short utterance from across the room, then jump back to two or three other conversations.

While I could hear words if I wanted to, I wasn’t eavesdropping – I ignored the words, for the most part, and tried to just listen to tone and rhythm.

I wondered if I’d shift into non-semantic audition (when listening to a quality of a person’s voice and you shift into a mode where although you hear the words, you only hear the words as if they were nonsense sounds; you can pick a word and repeat it until it begins to lose it’s meaning-carrying value, until it’s just a sound).

I didn’t, but I’ll make a conscious intention to go there if I can when I try P83 next.

In summary: high auditory alertness, flexibility, and perhaps even enhanced sensitivity, preceded by face and throat “gestures” or “exercises” related to “opening ears”.

can’t give u any more rep, yet again. be curious to know how it synergizes with reptilian 87/88 combo.

[MarkL]

So, here it is next morning, and I’m waking up making those facial-cranial muscular gestures and my hearing still feels amped, tuned.

And now I am thinking of toilofday’s thread on making more or less permanent / structural changes in personality – which I think of as changes in behavior – based on learning with pheros. Changing perception could certainly be a key predecessor to changing behavior and personality and a “Just a few shots of P83 changed the way I listen to people forever” would be a classic example of toil’s proposed theory.

I mention this, because unless I am mistaken it sure feels like the P83 is dissipated, but the behavior change is one I’m liking and rehearsing – it’s a keeper.

PS: I had P83 / 2.5 mcg in a to-go with no additional scent. I get a hint of a rotting/aging meat aroma from P83, but I stop sensing it after a minute.

[toilofday]

@MarkL

So, here it is next morning, and I’m waking up making those facial-cranial muscular gestures and my hearing still feels amped, tuned.

And now I am thinking of toilofday’s thread on making more or less permanent / structural changes in personality – which I think of as changes in behavior – based on learning with pheros. Changing perception could certainly be a key predecessor to changing behavior and personality and a “Just a few shots of P83 changed the way I listen to people forever” would be a classic example of toil’s proposed theory.

I mention this, because unless I am mistaken it sure feels like the P83 is dissipated, but the behavior change is one I’m liking and rehearsing – it’s a keeper.

PS: I had P83 / 2.5 mcg in a to-go with no additional scent. I get a hint of a rotting/aging meat aroma from P83, but I stop sensing it after a minute.

I noticed p83 to be very sticky every time I use it. I notice how long it sticks because of the agression it creates with me. I talked to Jasmin about this anger and aggression. She thinks that p83 puts me into a headspace that doesn’t sit well with my personality.

From the way she was talking p83 has some indecisive properties, wishy washy, or a sedentary whatever type of vibe. I absolutely hate that, so it makes sence.

Anyway, If I apply at the beginning of the evening I notice some effects through morning.

I love how you noticed a difference in sound perception, voices, and music. Perhaps that’s the creative side I kept noticing.

[rade]

@MarkL

Changing perception could certainly be a key predecessor to changing behavior and personality and a “Just a few shots of P83 changed the way I listen to people forever” would be a classic example of toil’s proposed theory.

If this is true, how do feel about testing these putatives out? Is there a chance they can change your behaviour against your personal wants and desires, in a negative way?

Rade

[toilofday]

As far as I know i’m the only person so far to get negative effects from p83. As stated before I become agressive and pissed off.

To answer your question more directly, every person can experience a pheromone in different ways. It is entirely possible that one person could have strong postitive from any particular pheromone why another could have negative responces.

As an example the A1 in instant female magic can make some men severly depressed, mildly depresse, mellow, calm, or unaffected.

It’s all in your personal chemistry.

I wouldn’t say testing putatives is hazardous by any means, but if you notice a negative rection in your mood, then wash it off, or wear it off, and try not to make any important decisions during that time period. That’s only in an extreme situation mind you. Such a situation “plausible but highly unlikely” as mythbusters would say.

If you saw the mythbusters episode where they tested the backwards bullet, that is about the same probablity IMO.