Tried high-dose P83 (70 mcg+) with Alpha Androstenol, Beta-Androstenol and WAGG three to four times now in different situations.
Alpha-Nol and Beta-Nol are the ultimate ‘friendship’ molecules. WAGG is the intimidation reducer which is particularly useful for lone wolves like me (WAGG sounds very similar to Androtics’ Instant Gentleman which I have yet to try). I need to use the three molecules together I feel but the problem is the only things that are capable of preventing a weakish, lightweight aura when these ‘comfort’ pheromones are used in combination are –None or high-dose A314, both of which I find too socially distancing.
High-dose P83 (70 mcg+) with Alpha-Nol, Beta-Nol andWAGG creates a ‘heavy’, reasonably serious vibe though not as ‘dark’ as with –None; heavier vibe though than with Alpha-Nol, Beta-Nol and WAGG on their own which is a good thing IMHO as those three pheromones together on their own can definitely make the wearer seem ‘weak’. High-dose P83 does seem to make me a little subdued at times and not particularly social or talkative.
This mix has less ‘distance’ than A314 or –None combined with Alpha-Nol, Beta-Nol and WAGG (a good thing IMHO).
Slightly less respect though than with A314 or –None combined with Alpha-Nol, Beta-Nol and WAGG.
P83 does increase aggressive behaviour at times but not necessarily towards the wearer as much as with –None. I kind of like this effect – it is rare for a pheromone (other than –None) to cause edginess and its kind of refreshing when combined with things that have the opposite effect (like WAGG). Plus who said that skirmishes aren’t sexy – there is a reason why make up sex happens and is well-appreciated. P83 can ‘stir things up a bit’ without the hassles of wearing –None (although it definitely doesn’t hit the ‘sexual’ nail on the head with regard to ovulating women like -None does!).
Other people don’t seem to approach much when I add high-dose P83 to the mix as when Alpha-Nol, Beta-Nol and WAGG are used on their own. People are generally friendly once the approach is made when high-dose P83 is added to the mix but the wearer has to do the approaching. Rather similar to A314 in that away although less distancing (but not as good as A314 for DHV, accessing ‘high-end people’, and showing competence at work).
Tacitus, MarkL and Toilofday have mentioned the auditory-‘enhancing’ qualities of P83. Indeed, I must say that people seem to listen to me ‘better’ (including stubborn relatives) when I tried the high-dose P83 with Alpha-Nol, Beta-Nol and WAGG. Alpha-Nol, Beta-Nol and WAGG on their own results in me barely getting a word in among a group of people – I am seen as too ‘weak’/lightweightish to be an ‘authority’ on anything – but high-dose P83 definitely combats this in a different, less socially abrasive way than adding –None or A314.
The P83 is short lasting – 2-3 hours is all that the effect lasts for on my skin before the Alpha-Nol, Beta-Nol and WAGG overwhelm the mix. So then I become more ‘approachable’, my mood lifts, the mix feels less ‘heavy’, but I am seen as a ‘lightweight’ again.
There is some sort of ‘activation’ with the P83. Carrie and SwingerMD have mentioned something similar in the following thread:
P83... a nice little empathogen.
If you stumble on a topic of conversation say that you have a strong interest in, the P83 will take things one thing further and you may put on some sort of show. And people will definitely ‘listen’ to you – perhaps that is a strong part of the effect. Its hard to describe but it might activate connections or intensify the moment by ‘activating’ both parties (perhaps that is why Tacitus has mentioned that he finds P83 somewhat ‘erotic’: P79 + P83 with bright shiny mones in the background (P79 + P83 with bright shiny mones in the background)) .
Some more threads and posts dealing with P83 are listed below
Phoenix (February 16, 2007):
“I found p83 (Experimental Pheromone P83 - Alpha A314) to have a quieting effect, or “puts you focused on me” mode, when used with 2 drops mutant A314… more authority, it boosted my A314 for sure.”
I’ll be using it again in future.."