High-dose P83 – a different kind of ‘respect’ signal?

Tried high-dose P83 (70 mcg+) with Alpha Androstenol, Beta-Androstenol and WAGG three to four times now in different situations.
Alpha-Nol and Beta-Nol are the ultimate ‘friendship’ molecules. WAGG is the intimidation reducer which is particularly useful for lone wolves like me (WAGG sounds very similar to Androtics’ Instant Gentleman which I have yet to try). I need to use the three molecules together I feel but the problem is the only things that are capable of preventing a weakish, lightweight aura when these ‘comfort’ pheromones are used in combination are –None or high-dose A314, both of which I find too socially distancing.
High-dose P83 (70 mcg+) with Alpha-Nol, Beta-Nol andWAGG creates a ‘heavy’, reasonably serious vibe though not as ‘dark’ as with –None; heavier vibe though than with Alpha-Nol, Beta-Nol and WAGG on their own which is a good thing IMHO as those three pheromones together on their own can definitely make the wearer seem ‘weak’. High-dose P83 does seem to make me a little subdued at times and not particularly social or talkative.
This mix has less ‘distance’ than A314 or –None combined with Alpha-Nol, Beta-Nol and WAGG (a good thing IMHO).
Slightly less respect though than with A314 or –None combined with Alpha-Nol, Beta-Nol and WAGG.
P83 does increase aggressive behaviour at times but not necessarily towards the wearer as much as with –None. I kind of like this effect – it is rare for a pheromone (other than –None) to cause edginess and its kind of refreshing when combined with things that have the opposite effect (like WAGG). Plus who said that skirmishes aren’t sexy – there is a reason why make up sex happens and is well-appreciated. P83 can ‘stir things up a bit’ without the hassles of wearing –None (although it definitely doesn’t hit the ‘sexual’ nail on the head with regard to ovulating women like -None does!).
Other people don’t seem to approach much when I add high-dose P83 to the mix as when Alpha-Nol, Beta-Nol and WAGG are used on their own. People are generally friendly once the approach is made when high-dose P83 is added to the mix but the wearer has to do the approaching. Rather similar to A314 in that away although less distancing (but not as good as A314 for DHV, accessing ‘high-end people’, and showing competence at work).
Tacitus, MarkL and Toilofday have mentioned the auditory-‘enhancing’ qualities of P83. Indeed, I must say that people seem to listen to me ‘better’ (including stubborn relatives) when I tried the high-dose P83 with Alpha-Nol, Beta-Nol and WAGG. Alpha-Nol, Beta-Nol and WAGG on their own results in me barely getting a word in among a group of people – I am seen as too ‘weak’/lightweightish to be an ‘authority’ on anything – but high-dose P83 definitely combats this in a different, less socially abrasive way than adding –None or A314.
The P83 is short lasting – 2-3 hours is all that the effect lasts for on my skin before the Alpha-Nol, Beta-Nol and WAGG overwhelm the mix. So then I become more ‘approachable’, my mood lifts, the mix feels less ‘heavy’, but I am seen as a ‘lightweight’ again.
There is some sort of ‘activation’ with the P83. Carrie and SwingerMD have mentioned something similar in the following thread:
P83... a nice little empathogen.
If you stumble on a topic of conversation say that you have a strong interest in, the P83 will take things one thing further and you may put on some sort of show. And people will definitely ‘listen’ to you – perhaps that is a strong part of the effect. Its hard to describe but it might activate connections or intensify the moment by ‘activating’ both parties (perhaps that is why Tacitus has mentioned that he finds P83 somewhat ‘erotic’: P79 + P83 with bright shiny mones in the background (P79 + P83 with bright shiny mones in the background)) .

Some more threads and posts dealing with P83 are listed below

Phoenix (February 16, 2007):
“I found p83 (Experimental Pheromone P83 - Alpha A314) to have a quieting effect, or “puts you focused on me” mode, when used with 2 drops mutant A314… more authority, it boosted my A314 for sure.”
I’ll be using it again in future.."

My P83 experience is somewhat dose dependent.

I would describe it as a “vibe sensitivity” substance. In small amounts, it makes me sensitive to the energy present, and in high doses “sucks you in” to the energy. If things are social, it tracks the social energy. Likewise, it seems to have a similar response to anti-social and sexual energies. Very cool and empathetic in a way.

I’m wondering if the P83 is playing off your natural energies.

Adding something like P79 or TAF modify the intensity while playing with either identification or disassociation of the subjective experience.

I think playing around with a P74/P83 combination could be fun.

That’s a great thought if I catch you right.

Are you suggesting that p83 can be used as an enhancing agent?

It definatley has it’s own properties though. I don’t test with it much. I doesn’t set well with me as i’ve posted before, and it packs a punch.

It feels more like a connecting agent rather than an enhancing agent. Subjectively it feels like an “experience”, “state” or “energy” bonding experience.

It’s different than beta-nol to me in that beta-nol is a more emotional/cerebral sort of connection and in me tends to be a “person bonding” experience.

Yea well said TB I have to agree for the most part. It is hard to descibe this effect, but definitely P83 (at 60 mcg+ especially IMHO) seems to create some kind of ‘energy connections’. I think the three posts I have pasted in below partially show this…

SwingerMD (September 5, 2006):
"Second day on using p83 here. The feeling that I get from this one and the vibe that I get from other people can be summed up by part of the lyrics from a song:

What you want.
Baby I got.
What you need.
Do you know I got it?
A’ll I’m askin’
Is for a little respect when you come home (just a little bit).

Yesturday, I wore about 60 mcg along with four drops of Pheros at a dance. Same thing today as I was running around doing errands. On Suday, I had a very long conversation with the ballroom cook on new laptop computers. She wanted my expert opinion on what new computers to get. Nothing noticable from any of the follows that I danced with yesturday, but I got approached by a few aspiring photographers (I’m a well known photographer on the swing dance scene.), wanting to know my opinion on equipment, techniques, etc . . . .

As for today, I went into the Bose store to ask for replacement ear pads for my Triports. The service rep began by telling me how I can go to the website to order new earpads. After telling me this he said, “You know, on second thought . . . it’s my last day here . . . we normally don’t do this, but I’ll just get you some new ones.”

Outside the mall I ran into a couple of swing dance follows that I knew and a local jazz saxaphonist (playing on the sidewalk). Within a few min, I found myself dancing with one of them amids the Labor Day traffic on the sidewalk. I was even asked if I teach dancing lessons (I don’t.). All in all, a very unusal day. I’ll try this out on my co-workers tomorrow.

-SwingerMD"

Carrie (November 18, 2006):
"…We were out dancing last night and I wore 50 mcg of P83 with Serge Lutens Fleurs d’Oranger; no other -pheromones. On the way there, W (my husband) was annoyed with the other drivers on the freeway and his own aggressive driving style (his usual M.O.) really bugged me - I felt more bothered by it than usual. I felt fairly unconnected with the crowd, observing them coolly and critically. They were mostly white folks in their 20s and weren’t feeling the band (10-piece soul/funk/R&B) the way we were so the giant dance floor was all ours until about 11 when it filled up (I suppose a lot of them won’t dance until their blood alcohol level reaches a certain point!)

The highlight of the evening came later on and can’t be attributed entirely to -pheromones of course, but they may have played some role, who knows? I really adore this band and was thrilled when late in the evening the leader (K) approached us and offered W a job in a new band he’s forming. We’ve talked to him once before so he knew W is getting out of his current band and looking for a new one. K talked about this new smaller group having a different focus, being all about “the beauty” and “leaving a lot of space” - he was speaking W’s language. They love the same material and K knows a lot of the guys W has played with before, but I think it’s kind of unusual to get offered this kind of gig without ever hearing W play a note!"

Carrie (November 19, 2006)
"…I do believe W was acted on by the P83. He is very permeable to environmental influence, sensitive and psychic, and he responds quite a bit to my vibe, whether it’s pheromonally amped or not. I think that he does have a naturally aggressive personality but it’s been damped down by circumstances and typically has only come out under pressure. For example, he was bullied as a kid, but morphed into a monster on the football field - all that adolescent rage found the perfect outlet!

On P83 testing night, he behaved dominantly and aggressively (not usual for him, except behind the wheel). His dancing was bold and sensual, which set him apart. The confidence he displayed garnered him more attention and respect than he gets when he’s his usual Minnesota-nice self. He seemed to get into a zone similar to where he goes when he’s onstage performing … on second thought, maybe he was auditioning for K!

P83 feels none-like to me; at least it makes me/us more dominant, edgy, impatient, uninhibited. I didn’t feel sexually aroused by wearing it alone (though I have before when wearing it with cops). W didn’t seem to be aroused by it either, though his morning-after erection was even more impressive than usual - no time to play, unfortunately!"