I gave myself a spritz and a half (new bottle and first pumps are weak) Saturday morning of P83. This is my first exposure to its effects but they were clear enough for me to feel confident sharing.
About 30 minutes after exposure, I picked out some CDs to serve as traveling music in my car. Of the songs, the one that I REALLY related to and played over and over was a rocker by George Theroughgood and the Destroyers called “Bad to the Bone.” It’s a song extolling aggressive bad boy behavior. Sure, I “nurture” that side of myself all the time but in my 50s, one would think I’d be mature enough not to blast down the freeway, stereo blasting so loud that I over-revved my new car (stick shift) more than once.
Later that day, I read a thread on this forum of some guy hitting on underage cheerleaders, at their school, using pheromones, and I go ballistic on him (as in “9 mm”). Of course, I am a protective father to a 16 y/o cheerleader myself, but I used language that was far rougher and more aggressive than I would have normally used or thought effective.
I had few public interactions with other people until many hours afterward my self-exposure.
To summarize my first experiences with P83, I’d say that it definitely heightened my masculine aggression and protectiveness. I’ll have to be careful how i use it. It reminds me a little of the effects of methyltestosterone as in “roid rage.” I have some “aphrodisiac” pills from Germany with a few milligrams of methyl test in them and they certainly induce aggressive sex from me. I can see adding P83 to sex mixtures but how do women respond to it?
I’m just about in love with p83 after my (admittedly limited) experience with it) The recieved wisdom is that it works to disinhibit and this is something that I can say with confidence I’ve found is evident in my own usage. Of course what it disinhibits comes down to other influences so if you’re wearing Ammo or TUTH then it might work to sexually disinhit yourself and others. What you seem to havementioned is that in both cases you mention there were things that made you feel aggresive (The music and the thread.) The way I’m reading it the P83 has just facillitated you going with the feelings you are having. It might be worth trying it out in other situations or with other products in order to check this out.
My answer to any potential problem there would be to stop watching Oprah. It’s the thin edge of the wedge that leads on to reality t.v. Oprah is, in fact, a gateway program.
P-83 has a different effect on me. I am very sensitive to unbuffered androstenone… 2 mcg unbuffered at a time is my limit if I don’t want to rage and spend all day in a black cloud of nastiness.
P-83 seems to bring out a certain flavor of aggression, but not the nasty negative aggression. It makes me more active, aggressive in a “do, act and go forth” plus a masculine way. It makes my “masculine-o-meter” ramp up in good ways.
Then again… I don’t know how much you were using. I have never used more than 25 mcg of P-83.
P83 made me angry for the first 10 or so times I wore it. I’d put it on (>5mcg to 30 mcg) and be angry for about an hour or two. Eventually I became adjusted and this no longer happened.
I ordered a bottle of 5mcg/spray P83 yesterday, I will be testing it soon. I hope I don’t feel any rage, because that can be really dangerous for someone like me. I ride a motorcycle as my MMoT and the first few times I wore alpha314 I was definitely being stupidly aggressive while riding. I had to make sure never to wear mones while riding because I would do stupid, stupid things that I would normally think “Wow that guy is a major douche” if I saw someone do it.
I’ve written pretty extensively about using P83 in my sensuality mixes. What I found was that it had a frustration factor with it, where if anything that is normally experienced as even mildly frustrating, the P83 ramped the aggressive response way up. Tish was very quick to point out that this molecule is very well studied and that it has disinhibiting with “pea-cocking” attributes. I never saw those in myself or my husband. The only disinhibition I saw was of aggressiveness in response to any amount or any kind of frustration.
Both of us are used to getting our ways, but we are also both usually patient and we are good with each other. P83 for us was impatient and aggressive and nasty - kind of -none-like, but more pissy, less masculine.
I used it with Meo-Est, Est, TAF, beta-androstenol, and either P102 or P103. None of the other molecules have this attribute, so I concluded after testing various mixes/ratios with P83 that the P83 was the factor in question.
The funny thing is when I use P83 alone or with TAF, I just get a very deeply rooted masculine self-effect, with none of the aggression, impatience or pissiness I get with the sensuality mix. It is a mystery to me.
I like P80 much better. It adds a very strong masculine excitement and more positive aggression to my mixes without the nasty aggression and feelings of entitlement of P83.
Both my husband and myself are 48, and I’m thinking that age may be a factor with this molecule, along with basic brain chemistry of the user. For both of us, P80 feels vigorous and youthful. P83 feels tired and angry, like we’ve both just had enough.
A314 plus a big bike is a bad move, especially when you catch your wife flirting with an old boyfriend. In my case it resulted in 5 weeks off and a smashed bike. Not so much aggression as over confidence coupled with a bad mood
P83 doesn’t make me aggressive, it makes me far more confident than normal (pretty high anyway) and more likely to take risks. If I had worn P83 this past weekend, I would now be living out of a suitcase
V interesting (and welcome back!) It seems others have found P83 to increase indecisiveness, the opposite of what you noted above. I’m still finding my way with this one.
I think I will avoid P83 at work. I have a leadership position in a very conservative industry that is strongly adverse to risk-taking and is highly consensual. Every detail is throughly scrutinized, considered, and documented. There is no room for impulse.
I remember that my driving experience had an element of “get the f**k outta da way!” I would not advise driving under the influence of P83.
Unlike CatLoad, I love A-none and have a high self-tolerance. NPA has long been my favorite for after-hours with WAGG-N for the office when I have meetings. I think I’ll like TUTH too but have yet to try it.
I’m still going to try it in the bedroom, both on me and on my regal partner, as part of a mix. She is tall and self-confident (mostly), a Capricorn Queen. P83 and IS/A might be a bit much - some TAH might be more fun for me.
I wore 2xA314, 50mcg P74 and 50mcg P83 two weeks ago when driving to and from town and I turned into a major asshole. Swearing at everybody (they couldn’t hear me!), overtaking and generally being far too aggressive.
I recognised straight away that I had too much P83 on, pulled over and got a grip.
But I wouldn’t wear that much P83 again in that context. It was like a none OD but different - diane puts it very well when she says pissy rather than masculine.
In other contexts (other than my sensuality mixes) I love P83. I still have half a To Go! at 25.0 mcg, and I’m planning on getting more. I want to test this one a lot more to see what is going on with it. With TAC and TAF and P83 I get such a deeply rooted, wonderfully physical feeling, I really want to explore more. I’m sure what the frustration factor is with my mixes… it is a total mystery. More testing, more testing…<sigh>.
I should have mentioned that the P83 was the 12.5 mcg/spray concentration.
The Capricorn Queen and I used one spray of P83 last night on top of IS/A for her and TUTH for me. We both had a spray of Shine too. I left off my usual NPA.
It seemed to bring out a bit of head butting between us. Or at least she brought up some issues we have in our situations that we haven’t fully resolved, and at times I thought were we should have concentrated on other activities.
Based on this experience with Capricorn Queen last night, I called and switched my next order from TAF to TAH. She has this Marilyn Monroe vibe under her executive exterior that I 'd love to see more of. I think the TAH would bring out. TAF can wait.
I will say that the second dose of IS/A (without P83) turned my 47 y/o lady executive into a 21 y/o Daisy Mae in my arms. Maybe Swedish bikini team captain - the blue eyes, blond hair, and glowing smile help.
I’m still interested in P83 but haven’t found the right venue nor application yet. I could see P83 for a one night stand but I’m not in that market since I met CQ.
I am liking wearing P83 over wearing AndrostEnone in most social situations. This is simply because P83 , while it definitely causes aggression at times in me and others, it doesn’t ‘cut people off’ and ‘ruin friendships’ as AndrostEnone has done. People can lose control with their temper on P83 but it doesn’t lead to grudges or anything too serious after the event - with AndrostEnone on the other hand it feels like more grudges are made…
At times P83 does seem indecisive and it also seems to interfere with my verbal abilities. At other times I have been feeling aggressively flirty with it on.
It seems to definitely lower women’s ASDs which is really cool as well. Just be careful with too high a dose (say 60 mcg ) as people wont necessarily want to keep hanging around. Also there’s no denying that P83 does make people a bit more horny…
I would be careful about wearing it around people with poor self control and/or aggression issues as a momentary aggression and generally ‘weird behaviour’ is a side effect for this one for sure…
Finally P83 does seem to make people dance better… more passion, more instinct perhaps, and less logical brain thinking?
I also like the way it seems to make people get excited about ideas and new things you tell them. I would love to see high doses of this one tried perhaps in Sales presentations or something like that - those presentations would go off(!) I bet as people would be captured in the ‘excitement of the moment’…
The box gives a different list of ingredients than does the website. Of course, they may have changed the formula. I still like 'em.
I tried P83 during a recent assignation and had a strong sense of frustration even though the mechanics worked OK. I’ll only use it in tiny amounts in the future.
