So some A1, IH, IS and 1X Ammo would be fine for fallout?
Oh and 1X tuth or 2X tuth?
A1, IH and to a far less degree IS have a track record in bonding/fallout. AMMO and TUTH are both useful but not really bonding mones. The IG/P96 idea reflects an absence of the commanding steering mones in 314 or the -eNone. The very same women upon whom I’ve tested every manner of P74, A314 and TUTH, while showing IOI, seem very meek, although these are not meek females. My experiments are very much longitudinal in a unique, social science sense. These very same were completely and fairly effortlessly attracted to IG, TAA and (preliminarily P96). While pulling off an attraction mix with today’s 314 is not impossible, it requires substantial, determined effort. Otherwise, there would be no consumers for the other roughly dozen men’s oils.
It amazes me how many men do actually own all dozen…or have. Apparently, none are universally ideal.
See post 2.
Alphanol and a small number of other pheros are highly detrimental to fallout effects - Its often not practical or possible to avoid using them altogether (eg IH contains some Alphanol) but overall you do best by keeping it to as low as you can in the mix.
A1, and the IH/IS combo are the primary fallout-promoting pheros here, Ammo, TUTH, P83 etc are all secondary/steering components.
At 21, I’d stick to the 1x TUTH and dose up or down carefully to suit the situation.
Try A314/P96/IJ - I’ve been having great fun and devastatingly good responses with that around a female lawyer recently, she’s also surprisingly young for such a mix - a little too early to say if full-on fallut is setting-in but all the initial signs are good. She’s also a tax specialist, which could be useful! 
IMO, oils are much more susceptible to personality influence and for a lot of guys, the less immediate effects don’t help. Personally, I find oils have it over sprays in a great many situations but then I’m a fly-fisher! 
I did read post #2. It states:
Still doesn’t explain ‘why’ a-nol causes the fallout-killer. I was reading the description stuff from some phero sites:
http://pheros.net/discussion/28/alpha-androstenol-anol-or-alphanol
http://www.wingmanpheromones.com/what-are-pheromones/
Hmm, i’m just baffled that a-nol is not good for creating fallout. I understand too much a-nol would cause the user to lose status, but is there more to it?
I don’t think fallout or the action of the various molecules and products that promote it is well enough understood to even begin to answer that!
Nor is fallout just one thing/effect - It does take-on quite substantially varying characteristics depending on the phero or combinations you use to promote it - along with time and the behaviour you adopt as well of course.
About the only thing I’d suggest is that Alphanol’s lightweight/easy sociability is too superficial/short term/short acting to help stimulate the “memory” effect that seems integral to any kind of fallout response.
And TBH, most pheros have little or no value for fallout, although many do have a useful secondary/steering role to help shape or drive the fallout part of your mix in the right direction.
However, repeatedly over time, mixes and products with any substantial proportion of two pheros - Alphanol and DHEAS have never demonstrated any significant fallout properties, even when they are humdingers without it.
Apart from A1 of course - It is far less affected by Alphanol, if at all but that may also be because A1’s particular effects make it stand a little apart from the other fallout pheros/combos.
Betanol however, yes integral to many fallout mixes - maybe because it promotes the sort of deeper, connecting/conspiring/sharing/engagement responses that lodge in the mind and are more difficult to shake-off. Although MMD has some more detailed ideas here, which I broadly agree with about it being Betanol in concert with certain other pheros that really strengthen the response - In fact I’ve long been convinced that it is partly the synergy between several molecules (some known, some currently unknown) that is the key to fallout - which would also explain the differences in response/effects over a range of combinations.
I would consider 2 sprays each of IG, Shine and IH viable, adding additional BNOL or TAA experimentally. I think the 2 sprays each IH and Shine offer enough steering. I think the synergy of BNOL / TAA has been validated. I see IG as virtually exactly 314 minus -eNone and steering. I would prefer Androtics test this concept via MX by hybrid of Shine/IH or Shine/IH/IG. I don’t think such a mix needs ANOL. It should be a simple mix of maybe only five molecules. P74 adds something but really functions best in a male-free environment.
I’m not eager to have what I might write form the basis of the next IBF to XS beta release. This isn’t their board. So, being public, I maybe post 50-75% of my notes. I find minimal similarity in androsterone and IG. I’d be interested in having someone post their two-part formula of erone 10 mcg and something else. I will go ahead and test it with TAK, TAC, TAH or whatever. I’ve just never seen one that people rave about. Without that simple concept, a simple primary base, there is no fallout formula. The steering in 314 is a minimal %. If someone else sold their own IG – rone/epirone or whatever on the label, I could better evaluate their fallout concept. I don’t hear “just go buy ________ spray for $39.99.” The concept is not thoroughly developed, or else we wouldn’t have the perennial fallout-seeking threads. I think there is a core secret to fallout. It’s not androsterone, not steering, not BNOL, not IH, not Shine. However, IG and 314 do have it. The current iteration makes the oil harder to perform, but not the spray. The 314 spray is the best one-product fallout to my mind for the price. I cannot reconcile the inconsistency between oil and spray. I just give it as feedback for product development.
314B spray, IMHO, needs neroli and other fragrance options. Were it me, I concentrate my marketing efforts on the B spray and revive the MX series to enhance it. One spray is often a sweet spot beyond the oil. Offering it in 30 mL, the A spray is a bit superfluous. Sell the B spray 30 mL at a discount to 314 oil, that’s my choice for fallout. You don’t strictly need anything else or wallet-buggering socials. You just have to dose every 4-6 hours.
I also want 314 spray in 30ml.the spray hit harder than oil,much stronger attraction almost instantly.because it’s so strong,it seem unnatural sometime.like a hammer on their heads.but if you prefer fast seduction,the spray is the way to go.i prefer the oil at work,and use the spray for fast seduction.love em both and once again we want 314 in 30ml spray
Add 2X-4X of IH molecules minus alpha nol, I think you’ve covered all the bases. It’s also a cold-climate formula within reach of more users. Especially with 3-4 fragrances. It’s a hybrid of two proven Instants. It should work?
Ok, round 2. This time I will be using:
3X IS
3X IH
4X P83
1X Tuth
1X Ammo (for scent)
1x Crush (on right side of neck where she sits)
Will report back in a few hours!
Well she pretty much acted the same as usual. She was literally telling me everything about her ex fiance though, how she’s so glad to have left him and how much money he owes her, etc. She was also telling me how stressed she was about all the work she has to do and having to move house next week.
She’s insanely attractive, 10/10 IMO and I’m very picky!
Could anyone give me some insight into this? Is this normal for a fallout mix?
Yes - This is absolutely normal for a fallout mix. The developing comfort/emotional engagement expresses itself by a desire to lose themselves in you and tell you absolutely everything - well past the point of TMI and is one of the most critical signs of its beginning to work well.
However it is a double edged sword and her spilling her guts about the ex is not good at all.
This is where you must work to steer the conversation into territory that gives her that frisson of pleasure/slight terror or you will end-up as an emotional pillow and firmly in the friendzone. If you can’t steer the convo right away from him and she must go that way, try to get her on to the things that give her a thrill or slight scare - how she might get her “revenge” on him, what fantasies he failed to tickle and how she could get them tickled (nothing like planting an idea or three - hey! 
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The work stuff is good and gives you a clear sight at ways you can break the stresses - but again, you take the lead here, have her de-stress along with you, don’t just be the accommodating “best friend.”
And never, never, never let her feel or know that she is that attractive/important to you - if she’s that hot, she will have no shortage of experiences of fawning/pandering men and they won’t mean a thing to her attraction-wise. You need to stand-out by being the man who challenges her and whose attention/interest she has to work for
Fantastic advice!
I have no trouble steering a conversation, but I just had no idea where to steer it to. I always have trouble deciding when I’m crossing the “sexual line” or if I’m being too friend’ish.
I’ve never met a girl like her. She studied at cambridge for few years and now she’s at the same university as me. She’s incredibly intelligent and very attractive. My ex was not intelligent in the slightest, so I’m not sure how to steer a conversation sexually with this kind of a girl.
How would you recommend I “steer the conversation into territory that gives her that frisson of pleasure/slight terror”? I have never done this before!
If the fallout is taking hold well enough, you won’t have any trouble blundering across the sexual line with a bulldozer TBH - and in the right kind of mood moment, she will just love it.
Light and playful is maybe the way I go most - at least if its not a “rip each others clothes-off, straight away” kind-of moment. Make it a bit of a sexy game - start with a joke or two about “special interests,” chat about sexy outfits - and how they feel (for you and her), of course I wouldn’t suggest you actually have something she might just want to slip in-to in reserve, oh no! And I cannot stress the value of the odd utterly inappropriate knob-gag/reference strongly enough - esp with a demure/classy woman. Often that breaks the ice completely as they are so-used to being put on pedestals/treated like ladies. Don’t make it constant smut though - Quality and timing over quantity is always best here!
One thing to remember is that intelligent, classy women are still women - with all the passion and issues that entails. Very often, once you have crossed that barrier, she will relax greatly and run with it herself.
I see!
I believe next week could be the last time I see her because Easter break starts, then we have exams and then it’s summer break. I might not see her until next Septemember.
What do you recommend I do?
So she added me on facebook a couple days ago, not sure if this means anything?
She then sent me some message about our work, not that it was neccesary. This is the first time she’s voluntarily contacted me outside uni. I just replied with a small witty remark, as if i didn’t really care.
Is this a good sign fallout is working?
Also, I’m thinking about asking her to do something outside of uni next week. What do you recommend I do? The atmosphere has been kinda professional all the time, with a hint of joking!
Facebook - I detest it! Wouldn’t know or care.
However, it does give you a chance to up your game around her - not by direct contact but if you can ensure she sees you are in contact with other women, it could help nicely.
Yes, a small amount of texting is useful and can help keep-up her interst - just do not get dragged into long-drawn-out text epics between you and on’t be in too much of a hurry to reply either. A bit of “missing you” helps fallout no-end.
Also, don’t overthink this - That will only serve to screw yourself-up to no good effect.
Take it that she wants a means of staying in touch with you till she sees you again - which is good. Just don’t overuse it. She could actually be asking herself more or less the same questions and its best you keep her guessing. I’ve just blanked one fallout for two months. Met her last night by chance and within 20 minutes she was all over me! Thankfully I had the “right” kind of mix-on and had not got as far as meeting another developing fallout - which was my original plan for the evening.
Yes that is probably the best thing you could do - but again, you take the lead here and make it count. Don’t just go and hang-out. Also don’t tell her too much in advance. Make her laugh, scream, feel out of her depth, excited, exerted or any other fairly extreme emotion or sensation - these are all your best friends now.
Well I don’t think facebook will help, I literally never use it. However, I’ve noticed girls are A LOT more comfortable talking over facebook that via sms/phone.
“Make her laugh, scream, feel out of her depth, excited, exerted or any other fairly extreme emotion or sensation - these are all your best friends now” - I’m not very good at this, but I’ll try my best! (Any tips?)
“just do not get dragged into long-drawn-out text epics between you and on’t be in too much of a hurry to reply either.” - I actually think the opposite will happen. I’m too afraid to reply because I feel like I’ll make the same mistakes as last time. Last time me and my Ex were texting all day and night. I also replied too fast. Now I literally take days to reply to this girl and they’re very short messages as I’m scared I’ll mess up. 
Yes - too comfortable. Friendzone comfortable!
You are the one who has been spending time with her - You must surely have some idea of what will thrill or challenge her It can’t all have been serious work! 
You, be economic with texts - but don’t be scared or overly tardy. Remember you are the busy one and your time/attention is valuable. So reply exactly when you feel like it - sometimes it might be straight away, other times when you can manage. Just don’t be overly consistent either way.