I want to make a fallout mix

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Yes, I’ve got the case of the one-itis. I can’t help it. Ok maybe I can, but I really don’t want to and I really should. But since I want this I want some help from you guys.

Here’s the situation. I’ve met this lovely Caucasian woman aged 27. She’s bubbly and as bright as can be. I’m Asian and 24 years old. We met at a dance 2 months or so ago. I’ve been doing it for the last 4-5 months while she’s been at it for the last 5 years!

Anyway after new years she tells me she has broke up with her long distance boyfriend for 2-3 years or so. That’s great news for me. I ended up asking her out about a week later wearing the following:

2x sprays of ammo regular
2x IO
1x IH
1x IS double strength

I’m sweating, like freaking out as those words come out of my mouth. She tells me she’s seeing someone new. At this point I kind of was thinking to myself ok I’m going to move on but sometimes when you meet someone you just have to have them. This is both fortunately and unfortunately the case for me. She has been seeing this new guy for just about a month (I asked her out a month ago).

The above isn’t my fallout mix. It’s just the mix I use during these Friday night dances that are hosted weekly that we both attend. I find that this mix for me is the perfect balance of social - attractiveness that makes people charmed when they meet me, and to some degree it works extremely well on her.

Here’s what I have to work with: ammo, a314, IS, IO, IH, IG, p74, p75, p83, p96, p103, TAC, A1.

Anyway moving on, we are both massage therapists. I’ve recently traded with her and then we grabbed a bite to eat. I was doing a little flirting with her and she responded positively, once telling me to “stop it” in a playful way and once she even managed to playfully kick me. I was wearing:

2 drops of a314
1 spray of 25mcg p96

Now I respect her decision to be with her boyfriend, so I will NOT do any slandering of any sort. Fall out is my goal, as commander kotov puts it

Help me out friends! What can I add or do. I want to try not using ammo during this more 1 on 1 time we hang out due to the cologne strength scent (I want to keep scents to a minimum).

New to pheromones. Could use advice and product suggestions
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You have all the main components for a good range of primary mixes in there, so take you pick!

The products/combos that leap out at me are:

Standalones:
A314.
A1.
Possibly P96

Combos:
A314/A1
A314/IH
A314/IS
A314/IH/P74 - Keep P74 low in the mix, unless you have significant sexual steering.
IH/P74 - Again keep P74 low
IH/IS

Although its too early to say that much about the role of P96 in fallout mixes, it seems to do no harm at all and is very usable with most of these 25mcg is my sweet spot.

Useful secondaries to steer/complement your primaries in different situations:
P75
P83
TAC

And rather than Ammo, I’d suggest you get a more overt sexual for when you need to tune/step-up your primary, TUTH or some other overt none product, as there is already good moderation in your primary.

Oh and don’t do a bucket mix of all potential fallout pheros in one mix, as you will never find what she responds to or your mix will have so much moderating power it will never turn sexual, chose one combo, run with it for a while with different doses, steering etc, then move to something else/step it to a more romantic mix if needed.

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Hmm… So those possible combos you have are other alternatives that I can try.

I need slight clarification on what you mean by “more overt sexual for when i need to tune/step up my primary”.

First, what does my primary mean? Just my base of a314? My mix which so far has worked of just a314 + p96?

Seems like my plan is that I will test out an a314 + a1 combo. I will add p96 back into this mix to see if it will enhance it after i get some testing with a314 + a1. I actually cannot wear a1 to these social dances due to the fact I will end up sweating a lot so my a1 testing with her will be limited.

When do I know that I need to step it up to being more sexual in the mix? Both of us being massage therapists means that on occasion we will trade, but I find it inappropriate to add that in. I don’t really imagine I have a chance of adding tuth in the mix (that, and I have never owned/tested tuth).

I tend to be an over thinker, so bear with me a little.

Should I be wearing a314 just about every time I see her? Like I said I use that mix above to my social dances where she sometimes shows up. Should I be using a314 instead?

How about a314 + a1 + IH? Just inquiring since I noticed you didn’t list it up there.

Thanks mobo for helping out

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Rolland, we’re a similar age and have similar goals with regards our pheromone mixes. Mobo’s replies in my thread here may be of interest to you: A314 Rev.32

I, too, have dropped the Ammo in favour of A314. Over repeated exposures, the A314 should be less fickle than the Ammo and more deeply penetrating psychologically. I can’t tell you what it is about A314 girls our age find attractive, but they definitely like it. p96 is fantastic too. It’s been a long time since I last wore A1, but Instant Honesty seems to me like a better choice.

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Your primary is just that - The core fallout-promoting mix, which could have several components but is the one you will be basing all your interactions on..

The secondary products are the ones you use to steer/support your fallout mix in different ways, and in different situations. eg P83 for disinhibition in more social times, P75 to increase masculine presence, IS to add a social/feelgood layer, TUTH to add a sharper sexual edge, again in an appropriate situation.

Yes, go for TUTH over ammo - the thing with most of your primary mixes is that they are fairly well balanced and will moderate a sexual quite effectively. Ammo is not so good because it is already balanced and its Rone content will not really add anything to the mix (esp if you have A314) and its Alphanol is IME positively detrimental to fallout. So rather than damage your mix, IME it is better to use a small amount of TUTH for sexual tuning instead. You could use plain Androstenone as well but nothing in TUTH seems to damage fallout, so all is good. :slight_smile:

If you have problems with A1, consider the A314/IH/P74 combo instead - It is probably the closest to A1 in effect, with far fewer potential negatives - I successfully ditched A1 in favour of it for a very long time. Another boon is that A314/IH/P74 is a superb and well balanced workplace/formal/social/status mix, so you can wear it just about anywhere and sexualise it very easily with just a little TUTH, NPA or similar.

A314/A1/IH is quite viable but other than for extra moderation, the IH is pretty superfluous - IH/P74, A314/IH or IH/IS combos are the kickes for fallout. None do so well on their own, other than A314, which does have some Betanol in the steering and it has been postulated that there may be some P74 too.

Not so convinced about anything including A1/P96 - it may be slightly counterproductive but much more work is needed here. A1’s fallout/crushy properties do stand a bit apart from other pheros/combos - which is why it is often better to use it without too many extras. A314/A1 (+ a basic sexual where appropriate) has done me better than more complex mixes time and time again. Don’t drown it! :slight_smile:

Another thing with A1 is that it is less prone to damage from fallout killers like Alphanol, DHEA, DHEAS, so you can use Ammo and some other products more effectively alongside it - But leave the other primaries out as they will be wasted from a fallout POV.

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If P114 is back on sale, you can consider A314/P114 as another primary. Tested it in many combos but came back to just the two (plus sexual when needed) as most effective but P96 might steer its “commanding” nature nicely?

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Mobo, why do you feel A1 is better than the Instant Honesty / p74 combination?

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I didn’t say I did!

In fact for widest usability and strongest effects, I rate A314/IH/P74 more highly and then IH/P74. A1 has worked very well with some individuals/relationships and its a brilliant none-moderator/comfort/PMS-soothing and in social/sexual mixes but has never got me a little harem of adoring women dogging my every step like A314/IH/P74 has. I had to back-off with it at work because of this. It was getting embarrassing and noticed in all the wrong ways, although it is a superb combo for social/professional engagement at work and I still wear it for public events/conferences etc where I need to get potentially difficult characters on my side and project my “specialist” qualities.

A1 sits a bit apart from the other fallout pheros because of its very particular crushy/yearning properties. From that POV it is maybe the best.

However, its not as widely usable as many of the other combos and quite a number of guys have negative self-effects from it, so from the POV of getting a regular and most effective exposure, it is worth considering other combos. You may have to steer them with sexuals and more positively attractive behaviour traits to prevent the fallout becoming but that’s not actually too much of a challenge. :slight_smile:

Also, fallout is not just a single effect - It covers wide range of responses, but with the commonality of subjects wanting to become much more closely and actively involved with you, also age and situation play a big part, as well as the need to find the mix that suits the individuals concerned best - which is quite critical to the success of any fallout mix.

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From poll findings (I like polls for this reason vote more please and give us more data!) IH really does seem a critical fallout product. I’m less impressed with oil 314 fallout than spray. By impressed, I mean spray got me “I would like to F. you, now,” where oil does not. However, I’ve tested I H, TAF, ANOL and BNOL. The unsolved mystery is what in I H causes fallout. I haven’t tested P79 or TAA, BTW. Hint. Androtics should be testing a bottled Fallout MX spray with all due speed. It is the Holy Grail. The fact the the BF spray from XS is their top seller speaks for itself, yes? After routinely using TAF the last several months to attenuate the sedative tendencies of alcohol at social events, it is an effective booster for mixes, but I’m dubious of the fallout link. Again, this requires rigorous testing by the community of the molecules. In other words, there’s a real kick ass fallout molecule in the store somewhere. And I WANT IT. Cause I don’t think it’s ANOL or BNOL. Androtics should offer the third molecule in IH, unlabeled, to test this. The bit of A1 in Dial is all I can manage.

http://www.pheromonetalk.com/atomic-instant-honesty-fallout-poll-65743.html

Here’s something from my radioactive research library.

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Mind you, the return of 4xIH does go some way to redressing that balance.

For whatever reason, it did seem far better at “deep connection” than almost any other product. Even equivalent amounts of 2x and 1x! Still best with just a small amount of P74.

P79 or TAA - No, no contribution to fallout IME, although I’d use TAA as a secondary but not P79 as it can be so very fickle.

I’d go the other way with A314 - The very essence of fallout is that it develops subtly and quite slowly, often till despite everything, the subject concerned cannot explain or understand why they want to be everywhere/everything with you.

Faster acting/harder hitting products may develop connection and engagement fast but its more superficial and more easily broken, which is not what you want from a fallout mix at all.

And A314 oil was the first product here to be associated with fallout and it carries all the supporting qualities to help a developing fallout but it won’t be as good around younger women - which makes IH/P74 and A1 more viable for them.

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A quest should be undertaken to find this fallout molecule, whatever it may be. Best invention since beer in pull tab cans. I made a mix of androsterone, P83 and TUTH. I wanted a mutant AMMO with the steering in Heat as a kicker. Whatever the steering, it lit up that mix. I don’t think it was TAF. Crazy respect, almost fear, from guys and pretty solid hits all around from women.

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What is a small amount of p74? I have the 10mcg per spray. No more than 30? I’ve tested up to 25 thanks to androtics giving me a small 5mcg per spray togo and I found that just about 20 was good for me.

Is there such a thing as too much IH for fallout? You say 4x IH is pretty effective, I only have the 1x version and since you say equivalent sprays are slightly less effective than 4x version, I’m just wondering here if there’s an substantial difference.

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20mcg will be fine. Yes, I would do my utmost to keep below 30mcg in any mix, unless you have a honking sexual in there to avoid triggering P74’s best-friendly traits - 20mcg or below does sound much better. If its any help, I keep P74 in 7.5, 10 and 15mcg spray strengths.

IH - you can use silly doses and get excellent results. I’m afraid the whole hi-dose IH thing ground to a halt when the prices shot-up, so its not moved forwards in a couple of years but I’ve often worn socially - 4/5 sprays 4x, along with 2-4 drops A314, 15-30mcg P74 and a sexual and been treated amazingly. You can feel a bit beat from all the Nols after a while though.