Fallout mix without A1 and A314

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Hey guys, I have a question. I have the beginners kit and at the time it didn’t come with a314 (and of course no A1). I’m in the process of ordering more stuff, some Ps and a314 but I really need to create some sort of fallout bomb.

So my question is, is it possible to create a fallout mix with IG and some combination of ammo, tuth, IS, IH whatever or am I just kidding myself? Is it possible to ever achieve fallout effect without A1? AD doesn’t sell it and it’s out of stock in LS… I hear IG is like a little brother of the a314 for younger people (I’m 29 and she’s younger), can I work with it somehow while the a314 doesn’t arrive and still create some fallout effect?

The thing is, I need to shift the outlook of someone I used to date (until a few weeks ago, we kind of broke up due to the shift in roles in the relationship and lack of pro activity on my part, which led to loss of spark) who “only knows how to go with the flow/primal feeling and relies solely on intuition” and who I’m 90% certain is now trying to get closer to me hoping to feel that “thing” that will allow her to feel whatever she believes she needs to feel in order for us to get back together… If the “beginning-of-relationship spark” doesn’t occur in the near future, I will have to cut her lose and I really really don’t want to…

Since we’re talking about someone who values hugely the primal feelings, those you don’t control etc, what better way to achieve them than mones (and character on my part)! I used Ammo the previous time we “talked” and last time I used ammo and I’m pretty sure IG. Didn’t use any mones during the relationship, only in the very beginning (ammo I think). Both of these times it made her reach out to me afterwards, both times quite fiercely and admit to having rushing things etc etc. She’s stuck with the “if I feel I know, otherwise I’m lost” and needs to be sure. I need to create that assurance :slight_smile:

Given all this, knowing right now I only have the basic kit, what should I do?

I will order a314 stealth oil Monday and am thinking of ordering p130 (so I can be cool and collected and not anxious), p96 (for the long term fallout) and maybe p103 (same reason as p130), p83 (for the removal of space and inhibition effect) and p75 (for the primal instinct part). The reasons for each one are from searching around in the forum, please correct me if I’m wrong and if you think another P will be more effective!

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Ammo and TUTH - no, no part in fallout other than sexual steering and the Alphanol in Ammo is highly detrimental to non-A1 fallout mixes, so its minimal dose only.

IH/IS is an entry-level fallout mix and there are a range of fallout mixes based on IH - both P74 and P96 are valuable secondaries here.

Personally I’m not convinced about P130 in fallout mixes but TAC will work with your sexual steering when its time to take things sexual again.

There are other companies that sell A1.

Remember that your exposure/withdrawal cycles are critical when reintroducing with a fallout mix. So don’t be too determined about creating reliability and reassurance as this:

Sounds like a woman who more used to heat of the moment/wild passion instead. Keep her slightly on edge instead and always leave her wanting more. That helps compound the phero effects no-end.

Also, always be ready to walk. Taking back your self control is one of the more attractive things you can do.

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I didn’t know that about Ammo! I see I’ll have to limit it’s usage for now then! The last times I had the reactions I mentioned above (after using ammo around her), but I see now it might not have been the ammo doing that…

For now I don’t have those Ps (I’m waiting for AD to reply to me to order) and don’t think they’ll get here in time, so do you think I will be able to work something out with just IG and IS+IH and still create some fallout effect?

Can you advise me on any reputable A1 seller? LS has it out of stock atm…

That’s great advice! Cycling through exposure/withdrawal! Will definitely do that as you’re 100% right, you gotta work harder “manipulating” the primal part of the feelings of someone who trusts them and instinct above all else… And you’re right again, the most powerful thing I can do is to always be ready to walk, taking back self-control, both are things I’m already implementing!

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If I am using Ammo around any fallout mix, I tend to use it more like a cover scent - and just one spray. Remember that fallout base mixes tend to be pretty good on moderation, so you can use a fairly overt sexual like TUTH alongside them (within reason) and still retain a balanced and widely usable signature.

The Of the two other A1 sellers I’d use, one has payment processing issues just now, which is a right PITA but neither are really ok for discussion here, which is a shame IMO but I understand why AD had to enforce the rule. :frowning: The other is run by an ex-staffer from here, so if you google “SteveO” and pheromones, you should find him very high in the results.

I tend not to think of it as manipulation - more, like the use of pheros, its promoting the growth of natural/instinctive feelings that underline attraction. Any choices she makes as a result are naturally respected. :slight_smile:

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Awesome, thank you v much!!! I have A1 on the way (will def not get here in time, but hey, will get here!). Will thread carefully with it!

Waiting to place an order on AD to complete my lineup with A314, p130 (not for the attraction part, but for my own self-centering which, from what I could gather, is it’s main effect) and p96, and am still considering p103, p83 and p75.

For now if the situation arises, and probably will soon, I’m gonna use what I already have and employ IG+IS+IH. Hope that’s an ok combination! Maybe TUTH will be too over the top on this path of “figuring out” right? Won’t it counter the IG’s objective?

You’re right, I said “manipulating” as in shifting/promoting things the way they’re supposed to be! :slight_smile:

This kind of knowledge can be crucial to someone who, like me, only has the beginner kit to play with! And I thank you mobocaster for all the help you’re giving me!

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Don’t discount the attraction aspect of P130 - I find it is a very good/useful secondary that makes overt None much more tasty to a great many women.

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Order on the way, hopefully will be here by next week! And the serious experiments start then! And the P130 is among the Ps I ordered, so I will test as you said mobocaster!

Just one more question, I’ve been reading the forum for hours and hours and can’t seem to reach a conclusion! Right now I need to use a “mature-ish” and self-confident yet irresistible mone with the ones (instant line) I already have (the order won’t get here in time). I found out I also have MX297 and P125.

Is the MX297 better than the IG? I read it has some fallout abilities where IG does not, despite being a more social mone…

So…

MX297 on it’s own or with IS+IH? - too party-fun guy not enough sexual? Possible small fallout?
IG+IS+IH+TUTH? - mature, hint of sexual and fun, but too much?
IG+IS+IH? - I know the TUTH will add the sexual vibe, but I read it’s off-putting/too forward

I promise after this question I’ll start reporting and not asking!! The weekend is almost here and my D-day with this girl is upon me, so I’ll have to really get this spot-on fast and I’ll be able to report on it (don’t really have a chance to try this until I’m with her). She’s been quite open talking to me but I need to steer her into “crushing” on the “well-put-together” irresistible me!

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I’ve never found a hint of fallout with MX297. In fact it is IMO notable for its immediate/short term nature. Its a very “in the moment” phero and you are back to square one with people the next time you see them.

Nonetheless it is good if you can work it hard in a fun/social way - its immediate/social engagement properties are superb and add-in a sexual like TUTH when you are beginning to get IOIs and it makes for a great club/party mix. :slight_smile: I wouldn’t mix it with too many other products though as adding more products will IMO detract from its vibe significantly.

Don’t mix 297 with anything Rone (eg IG) though - they just confuse each other to no good effect.

Those other mixes are both quite viable - smart/pleasant and sociable - Not off-putting at all.

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Mx297 out of the table for this application then! You really know your stuff mobocaster! I really thank you for your relentless help!

I’m gonna go with IG+IS+IH then! IS behind the ears, IH on the hands and IG on my Adam’s apple and I think I’m gonna do 2x each (I have 1x conc). Seems like a fair distribution in my body and the amount is probably on the safe side right? Shame I won’t have time to test my ideal point before I really need it!

I’m also gonna add the scent she always saw me wearing, Armani Code, just for some “it’s me” effect! TUTH will be nearby, but I think it’s safest no to steer in that direction initially, just hope the IG IS IH mix is enough to get the ball rolling :slight_smile:

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Status update, used IG+IS+IH and it did have some effect! Quite a bit actually! But in the meantime I received a package with A314 oil, P75, P130, P83, P86, P96, TAC, P131 and if I’m not mistaken, P102. So I moved on to the major leagues!

First try, A314(2-3drops, neck hands)+P96 (2 sprays neck). Wow did I feel powerful and attractive! Had loads of attention from others! And I smelled incredible!

Second try, A314 (3drops neck)+P96 (2sprays neck)+AMMO (1xspray neck). I upped the A314 because I had to make a quick hit in a very short time and added Ammo because I was afraid it would be too much A314. I think this was the biggest hit on this same girl!

Third try, A314 (2drops shared on neck and wrists)+P96(2x) and decided to add a tiny bit of TUTH in the chest. The effect was more moderate this time, I think the TUTH might have worked against me as the objective is relationship building and might have confused her a bit.

4th try, A314 (same)+P96(2x, 1 neck, 1 hands) and decided to try a drop of Mol. C (TAC) in the chest and IS(1x hands). Didn’t feel as confident as the previous times but tbh I was exhausted and so was she that day. She shifted from being closer than usual to being scared and having a grim vision of the future possibilities. I say this last part was due to the tiredness.

Summing up,

A314+P96 made me feel like an attractive big-shot!
TUTH might have confused things and did not do anything positive
AMMO might have been the catalyst that one time
Mol. C (TAC) might have allowed for closeness.
IG+IH+IS is a good combo, it works in the background, looks like it’s not working but it appears to be!
P130 no conclusions, used once (1spray neck) solo b4 dinner (after using that morning the “2nd try mix”) and did not notice anything

So here is my first report. I’d love to hear your input to perfect this!

Btw, I have a dumb question! How do you apply the A314 oil? Do you get the flask and put your head back and the flask upside down on your neck until you feel a drop falling? Do you put it on your hands and then rub them on the neck?

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Btw, I have a dumb question! How do you apply the A314 oil? Do you get the flask and put your head back and the flask upside down on your neck until you feel a drop falling? Do you put it on your hands and then rub them on the neck?

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I apply A314 with a drop to the finger then put it where I want.
Sometimes I go direct to the wrist.

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I would define fallout at its most basic as a product that will make women come to you and ititiate physical contact.

IG will do this. It is often very beta and outright feminine. Women love it. Men have described the unscented odor as feminine to me.*

I don’t think the original A314 was driven by any special molecules. I do think a touch of andostenone is required. Perfect balance of the core molecules I think is at the heart here. 3 molecules were doing most of the work IMHO. Best guess.

These are my findings from several years of often tedious rone testing. Rone is one of the worst molecules there is on its own. I do think the company could make the best fallout-type product on the market.

I am not persuaded A314 is 80% alpha androsterone. I think it works because of the stereochemistry of the primary molecules.

  • I modify the diffusion and dose of IG to more closely match physiologic norms as originally reported in the Erox patents 20 years ago. Nanomolar amounts. Your mileage may vary.
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I have a question that is abit off topic but I don’t feel like making a while new thread.

So the A314A and A314B sprays come in the 5mL to go bottles.
The description tells us the one spray would be equivalent to one drop pf A314 for the B side and the A one is alittle more than one drop power for one spray…
Now historically a tester spray (to go) is said to be half a normal spray.
Is it a test spray that’s the strength of a drop or a regular spray.

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First, A to go spray volume actually is about 80% of that from a 30ml, such as comparing a togo spray of Ammo vs a 30ml spray of Ammo.

There is no current 30ml of A314 sprays, only togos. They are comparing the potency of 1 5ml togo spray vs a drop of the regular oil.

Keep in mind that the spray is alcohol based, and alcohol will always have slightly more impact due to the better diffusion. This may cause stronger self effects and more immediate impact on others with a greater range. It also starts working faster then the oil. The drawbacks are that it lasts for a shorter timeframe, such as 5-6 hours and so would need to be reapplied more often costing far more money overall if you are using it regularly. It also can hit too hard and in your face on others outside of say a club/bar. Oil can hit more realistically and naturally due to its slower diffusion, and will last longer. In this particular product, oil does very well.

1 spray of A314b actually has less actual pheromones then a drop of oil, but with the alcohol, they consider the potency to be about a drop of oil.

The a version has about the same amount of pheormones as a drop of oil, but with the alcohol its way more impact then a drop and may be too much for some. Higher impact isnt always better especially with heavy sexual or status mixes, it can be too intimidating, or harsh.

You should find about the same results but in actual testing may just need a bit more oil then the equivalent number of sprays they suggest in comparison. I just bought the latest rev of the oil and am back in the A314 insider’s club… Dancing on Fridays lol…

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latest rev as in rev32?

The purpose that I use the A314B spray kind of requires the intimidation.
I’m being extremely real when I say everytime I play in my poker tourneys wearing 2 sprays of it I get 1st or second place.
I’m currently ranked third in the league out of 161 people.
So..the intimidation works out for me. It also some kind of way make me sharper and quick wit.
I drive alittle faster, I stand alittle straiter… I mean the stuff is killer.
When I wear 6 drops of A314 young edition I don’t get any of that at all.
The spray is certainly a winner and I’m under the impression that 2 drops of A314 regular would serve me very well.

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Congrats on the success. Yes, R32.

You get good results with 2 sprays of the 5ml alcohol. If you dont need it for more then 5-6 hours for the tournaments, then its reasonable to just keep using spray for them since its proven effective. The self effects are going to be slightly stronger with the spray and a bit more in your face impact that you desire here. Some use alcohol for club/bar mixes for its further diffusion and slightly higher impact but oil for places like work or a date to lower instead of increase the intimidation, but both will work especially with adding steering molecules.

Dee just mentioned elsewhere btw that if you buy 6 togos of the spray, you can request in the comment you want it in a 30ml bottle if you prefer. If you dont think you’d like slightly more effects though keep to the togo size because a spray from 30ml is 20% more per spray. The a version also would be even higher impact, and it seems already you dont need any more impact or more spray with the larger bottle but just mentioning it if you wish to comparison experiment.

I would still try 7 and 8 drops of the A314YE then and report in your journal. There is a sticky at the top of the A314 insiders club section for some of the effects to look for, it may just be more subtle then you are expecting from using the alcohol since others reported similar hits to the full oil at about double dose of what they use for the full oil. You might need 3-4 of the full oil, 6-8 of the YE for example, 2 of the alcohol due to its better diffusion see more of an impact… You will only know from testing and of course might find 2 drops of oil works great and it was just that the YE didnt work for you… Also oil can take longer to start up, so when I test the first time I always also wait 2-4 hours before testing and thinking it wasnt working at that dose…

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I have regular A314 now and its awesome. 2 drops is good. 3 drops is extreme lol. I’m experiencing 3 drops today. I am long overdue in my journal but I will catch back up. I’ve been documenting things.