Warren's P83 TAC challenge

Field Reports & Anecdotal Experience Women's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports
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Hmm… I sense a challenge! I was going to have a phero free day today, but what the heck… I’ll try this and post back in about an hour. So, I call you and raise you one! :stuck_out_tongue:

Here goes nothing!

10:00 AM going to go shower and then apply the following:

10.0 mcg TAF
10.0 mcg P83
10.0 mcg TAC

After showering, I applied straight Hydrogen peroxide to the areas where I may still have some none from the Edge for Women gel packs. At 10:15 I sprayed on the above.

Self effects: Strangely I smell something akin to vanilla. I feel just slightly dizzy and flushed. This passes pretty quickly but there is definitely something that is beginning to affect my perceptions… a solid, grounding feel, probably the P83. I’m getting so heavy feeling, and tired. After just 6 minutes, I have a hard time holding my eyes open… they are heavy.

When I close my eyes I feel better, more awake. My perceptions are drawn inward with this mix. I definitely feel pleasurable sensations moving through my muscles, like the kind you feel when relaxing after a really good stretch. Very good relaxing combination for me with the exception of feeling eye strain when my eyes are open. The eye strain and heaviness passes after about 10 minutes. Now the relaxation continues even when my eyes are open.

I definitely feel in the moment with no desire to travel forward in time or place. Totally centering.

There is an almost automatic unconscious need to move. I want to reach for things, but it is unfocused. This is both the right side and the left side. It is OCD like in that it can be overridden, but is automatic. I could see where this might be interpreted as nervousness, but there are none of the internal jitteriness of adrenaline release. This is more dopamine-like movement. To be more specific, I am rubbing both right and left fingers with my thumbs in a repeating sweeping motion, extending and flexing my toes, moving my ankles in a circular motion back and forth and flexing and extending my feet. I don’t get this movement need in my trunk or larger areas of my limbs, or in my face, just hands and feet. This lets up after about 15 minutes, leaving my hands and feet feeling really well exercised and relaxed.

My phone rang and I startled very easily. While on the phone this mix lent itself to a very grounded and short conversation. It was my husband wanting me to try the dark chocolate fudge he made last night… okay. I walked into the kitchen. The walk seemed heavy, stately, slow. The fudge… zomg, the best fudge I ever tasted. . I don’t usually like fudge. I could almost taste every single individual ingredient. Taste is enhanced for sure, but at the same time the act of chewing feels cumbersome, not something I particularly want to do right now.

I’m very annoyed by noise. Someone left the TV on a news channel in the living room. I’m loathing the sound of the news-people’s voices. When I turned it off, I felt a ton of relief.

At 30 minutes it is starting to get a little analytical – but not much, and its buried pretty quickly and efficiently by deeper relaxation. There is some upper body tension, lower body relaxation.

I’m going to add 10 more mcg TAF to amp up the signal. With the addition of more TAF the relaxed sensations in my lower body become pleasurable, and there is an added desire to stretch the long muscles of my legs to their fullest.

I think the TAC and P83 are different, and maybe a little polar to each other. TAC makes me want to move. The P83 makes me want to become quiet and perfectly still, like a deep-rooted tree.This might be a really good combination for a long yoga session.

TAC is interesting. It promotes stretching movements that lead to relaxation. This is probably what I like about it so much in my sensuality mixes… that need to stretch is very sensual.

Okay, so my hour is almost up. My conclusions: No psychosis or major mental agitation or effects other than an increase in startle response (without concomittent adrenaline release), and general annoyance at distracting noises.

Both TAC and P83 are physical molecules. TAC promotes movement, P83 promotes stillness. One of these molecules does have a pleasure response attached, but it might be both. It is hard to differentiate which is which with this kind of test.

Diane

TAC vs TAA: what's the difference, and can they be combined with P74?
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Geez Diane … deep much ?

I really enjoyed that.

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I started getting interested in TAC last week concerning muscle relaxation… I don’t think it would be so interesting to have a new thread open just for that but…

in the case of a paraplegia from the upper stomach to the feet, the legs tend to shake sometimes, more often when no medication is taken. Which is excessively annoying.
Do you think that TAC could soften this leg shaking ? or P83 ?
And maybe induce general relaxation as well ?

Thanks

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MagicJ, it’d be great for you to start a new thread on TAC. IMO, much more constructive than the multitude of ‘how do I get laid with Ammo, etc..’ threads. :slight_smile:

Warren might be able to add some comments regarding the TAC, since he reported relaxing effects in the lower body.

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I don’t know. I’d try the TAC rather than P83, but I think that is well beyond my medical knowledge.

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I’ve never really felt that TAC had a physical side to it. It seems to take the shock out of surprises. A surprise is no less fun or frightening but there is no hesitant flight or fright response if there is enough TAC in the air. It’s great for push/pull because it softens the hesitant shocked reponse. I would think it plays well with the disinhibiting P83.

It’s odd now that I think about it that SteveO’s ICM mixes played TAC against -none but not against P83. I think I’ll bump the old “smells like” thread and see if he’ll grace us with some thoughts on those two.

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LOL, that is the way all my journal entries go when I’m exploring self-effects. I have a long journal. :stuck_out_tongue:

Diane

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First, we don’t know what these molecules are. We don’t know how they work. We don’t know what receptors they target or what pathways they activate or inhibit. Sure, we can make guesses, as I did with the movements I experienced with this mix… but, they are just guesses. Even Mike Harris, who knows the chemical structure of these, is just guessing they have pheromone characteristics. That is why he’s made them available for testing.

Second, if I’m reading your post correctly, you are experiencing lower body muscle spasticity following spinal cord injury? If that is the case, the cause is that the nerve cells are no longer connected to the brain and are not being inhibited from firing in the normal fashion. If pheromones target neurotransmitter and other brain systems, it probably wouldn’t affect your leg shaking at all. After all, it is the disconnect from the brain that is at the root of spinal cord injury spasticity.

I know almost nothing about spinal cord injury, but I had the honor of having a neurosurgeon as a mentor years ago. Having worked with him, I suggest that rather than trying unknown molecules, you talk with your neurologist to see if there is some medication that can inhibit this nerve firing. Botox injections are used in some cases of familial spasticity and might be a way to go. But again, I urge you to follow up with your neurologist, who has all the information that you need, without guessing.

Diane

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Renny, I think we define physical differently. Something that inhibits unpleasant effects, like fight or flight responses, while allowing all the other pleasant physical responses through, like feeling surprise – to me that is physical.

Because of the physical pleasant and pleasurable effects I’ve experienced with TAC, and because it is has not given me any definite mental or perceptual effects, I am classifying it for now, as physical, not mental/perceptual. But I’m still testing both TAC and P83.

So far in my testing I’m seeing molecules that fall into two broad categories: Physical and Cerebral.

The Cerebral molecules enhance perception (auditory, visual, sensory), excite mental processes, and seem to have a excitatory activity on the fight or flight response. At higher doses they cause nervousness, hyper-vigilance, higher receptivity to outside perceptual stimulus, increases in analytical thinking or racing thoughts, and/or sleeplessness. They can inhibit relaxation and can block physical response to the sensation of physical pleasure. These are really good for making things pretty, and for noticing details, and for planning, and noticing and thinking about details.

I am classifying for my own use any molecule that lacks a mental/cerebral/perceptual enhancement quality as physical.

Physical molecules encourage physical relaxation or movement, enhance physical sensation and the physical response to sensation, and/or encourage and reward (with pleasure) instinctual behaviors (nesting, fighting, mating). They tend to be automatic and visceral. They can cause sleepiness, clumsiness, and inability to remember or think clearly. These are good for physical activities that don’t require analytic thought or fine motor control.

So far in my testing the cerebral and perception enhancing molecules fight with the physical molecules, and win.

So far

The physical molecules are: Androstenone, est, meo-est, beta-androstenol, P102, P103, TAC (possible), P80, P83 (possible), P93, P102, P103;

The analyzing/cerebral/perceptual molecules are: TAA, P74, P87

I’m still testing: Androsterone, alpha-Androstenol, Androstadienone, P79, P86, P96, TAH, TAL, and I stopped testing P100 after one try because the self effects were so bad - so I haven’t tried to classify it.

And then there is TAF. This is an unusual molecule in that it does ramp up physical sensation and response. But it may also ramp up cerebral/perceptual signals as well. I tend to classify it for my own purposes as physical because it doesn’t fight with or inhibit the physical molecules at all. Worn alone it lessens the excitability of the flight-or-flight response. It has been known to have a fearless quality. And at least for me it doesn’t cause excitation of the fight/flight response even in large doses (although that has been reported). But really, I think it is in a class all its own.

Diane

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The TAC relaxes you too much for you to get good and paranoid.

So, Diane, do you find that hydrogen peroxide is particularly good for removing pheromones? How did you come up with that trick?

You use P102 in several of your mixes. What do you think it does?

I think of TAF as a dis-habituator. It lets you see something again for the first time. Sometimes it is good: appreciating something beautiful as if for the first time. It alows you to re-evaluate something that you misunderstood or failed to appreciate before. Sometimes it is bad: getting distracted by something you should already understand.

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I’ve never been paranoid, so I don’t know what to make of that. :stuck_out_tongue: I know there is enough discrepancy with this molecule to do further testing on it.

That was a trick that was given by both MikeH and Steve and others. You can’t wash Androstenone off because it is so sticky. Hydrogen peroxide is supposed to chew up the bonds in Androstenone. Sorry I can’t give you a link right now… but I’m sure a search will find it.

I’m still testing P102 and P103 somewhat, but I like them both very much. So far the only downside seems to be an initial loading buzz that is sedating. This passes within 10-15 minutes. When I use both molecules, the sedation continues.

P103 blocks thoughts and makes concentration difficult. It seems like a hypnotic substance. P102, on the other hand, is not so intellectually incapacitating, but it does quiet down mental chatter.

P103 makes kissing an intensely pleasurable, blissful, and uncontrollably hot experience. P102 is supposed to increase oral desires from your experience, and for me it does increases desire and makes me hungry for food if the ratio is too high. But for me it is P103 that turns kissing into an experience that you don’t want to end. P103 doesn’t increase the desire for kissing, but it certainly promotes pleasure during kissing.

Looking back through my journal, P102 added to meo-est and TUTH, with TAF produced pleasurable sensations running though my body (mostly truncal), butterfly fashion.

Like P103, P102 intensifies both the experience of sensual pleasure, and the response to sensual pleasure… when worn with meo-est. I don’t know if that would hold true for guys as well, but I’ve been testing meo-est with Est,TAF, P102, Betanol, and P103 for several weeks with no noticable habituation. Androstenone sends body sensations through the roof, when it is paired with meo-est, est, TAF, and P102 or P103. Both molecules are good.

I’m still trying to get a more complete handle on both of these molecules. P102 seems more geared to ramp up desire or physical hunger, while P103 seems a little more fun, silly, giddy, and hypnotic.

From my initial and ongoing testing, it doesn’t seem that a lot of either of these molecules is necessary for this pleasure enhancing activation effect. Meo-est by itself is .. eh, nice and slow… with TAF… sensual as hell… with Est and TAF and Androstenone and P102 or P103… zomg! Git tha fire hose, Martha!

Rather than mixing it in, when I spray 12.5 mcg P102 on top of meo-est, est, TAF, I get extremely pleasurable mid-body and chest rushes that persist for a long time. Sometimes I also get hungry for food, but mostly just hungry for my hubby. In a mix it just intensifies the sensuality of meo-est.

Using P102 and P103 together is challenging, because they can be sedating and more so when paired together. But since only a small amount is activating, diluting these may solve that problem. I haven’t tried this yet, but it is high on my agenda to do.

Here’s an interesting tidbit. Some of these mixes are so good at promoting pleasurable sensations, that you almost don’t want to interrupt your phero-trip for real sex. Androstenone solves that dilemna. With all these molecules in the right ratios, the addition of Androstenone not only further intensifies sensations, it also sends your desire for your partner through the roof.

Diane

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Good Goddess, LOL I sat here wondering who Mike was LOL Michael probably fainted. Get the smelling salts people :smiley:

Great reports Diane, somewhat unusual but thats why I like them. they delve deep. :wink: I nominate you LOL Sorry I cant do it officially yet… Hey wait I can and I did Yay, Boy have I been up in the intros a long time LOL

Warren hun you really need to read the forum. Its posted everywhere Peroxcide or witch hazel will take your sticky mones off.

Tisha

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Thank you, Tish! I just got home from a long day shopping. I used P93 and TAF - 10 mcg P93, and 4.0 mcg TAF - with your Black Sugar on top. Got everything I need, no impulse buys, and now I know every single item in all the stores I went to… zomg! I think my head just exploded…LOL :open_mouth:

I’m done with my shopping by the way… I know, but don’t be a hater, people. :stuck_out_tongue: Just whip up some Git 'Er Done!

Oh, and everything was happy, happy today… Never wore this Git 'Er Done! formula out shopping before, but I kept thinking “this must be what P96 is like.” Except, of course, all the salespeople were Scrooges… Eh!

Diane

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Last night and early this morning I was reviewing all my journal notes on P103 and P102. And I found that used separately, with meo-est, they each give that butterfly-like pleasure effect. I’m still trying to get a handle on the differences in these and I recently whipped up something…<evil grin> that has both P102 and P102, doesn’t cause sedation, is very sexy and sensual, AND plays well with a quiet/no distractions environment, and plays well with a distraction-rich environment. This is one of those cases where less is more… and that’s all I’m gonna say on it for now until I have a chance to run a few more live tests. :smiley:

Diane

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This morning I tried a mix with Androstenone (2.5 mcg), P80 (1.9 mcg), P83 (3.2 mcg), and P93 (2.2 mcg), Beta Androstenol (2.5 mcg), Est (8.2 mcg), TAC (0.2 mcg) and TAF (.03 mcg). Wow, this is an exciting but really annoying mix. It is really physically exciting, but I really want to tear into somebody, and not in a nice way. I have a verbal urge to chew some ass, and I’m feeling put out and annoyed. I feel like a missle without a target, iykwim. I’m writing this 3 hours in to this test, btw.

I thought the Est, Beta Androstenol, and P93 would balance out all the hot boy pheromones, but they don’t much… LOL :smiley:

25.0 mcg Meo-Est mellows it out considerably, turning it sexy, and removing the annoyance.

If a guy were to wear the above, would you be that annoyed and pissed off? :stuck_out_tongue:

Oh, btw, with this mix on my husband won’t stay in the same room with me… LOL… and I’m not snapping at him or anything. :roll_eyes:

Diane

Oops! Just realized, boys won’t see this here… gonna post to guys forum!