Yesterday morning I tried a mix with Androstenone (2.5 mcg), P80 (1.9 mcg), P83 (3.2 mcg), and P93 (2.2 mcg), Beta Androstenol (2.5 mcg), Est (8.2 mcg), TAC (0.2 mcg) and TAF (.03 mcg). Wow, this is an exciting but really annoying mix. It is really physically exciting, but I really want to tear into somebody, and not in a nice way. I have a verbal urge to chew some ass, and I’m feeling put out and annoyed. I feel like a missle without a target, iykwim. I’m writing this 3 hours in to this test, btw.
I thought the Est , Beta Androstenol, and P93 would balance out all the hot boy pheromones, but they don’t much… LOL
If a guy were to wear the above, would you be that annoyed and pissed off?
Oh, btw, with this mix on my husband won’t stay in the same room with me… LOL… and I’m not snapping at him or anything.
25.0 mcg Meo-Est mellows it out considerably, turning it sexy, and removing the annoyance. And my husband will hug me again!
Are your figures per spray, if so how many sprays? I try to make up mixes like that sometimes and it seems no matter how well I think them through ahead of time they seldom make sense in hindsight. Everytime I wish that I had just gone with a standard Smartmones product with a little seasoning from one or maybe two putatives. I take it back I did have one small success, but even then it could have been much better and I’m not sure it’s a repeatable test. I hope to see you work more with these particular putatives though. They are each very interesting. I just question if the kitchen sink approach is the best. Yes, I’m guilty of exactly the same thing so I mean no disrespect at all, and you can bet I’ll be looking for your threads.
Oh, but I ENJOY testing Putatives and finding exciting, new combinations. And Androtics doesn’t have exactly what I want in a standard product.
Instant Shine - eh, make things pretty… doesn’t rev my husband’s engine, doesn’t rev mine, and I’ve had bad reactions with it with some Putatives at 4-5 sprays.
Instant Sexiness… doesn’t work for me… doesn’t rev my husband’s engine.
Come Talk To Me… great for social scene… terrible in bed…
Instant Female Magic… mood lifter for me… doesn’t rev my engine, doesn’t rev my husband’s engine.
Instant Honesty… I use this and it is a good product, but again… doesn’t rev my engine or my husband’s.
Instant Openness… great for long talks after sex… doesn’t rev my engine… doesn’t rev my husband’s engine.
Lust After Me… very few, limited successes and husband hates the smell.
TUTH… I can’t stand the smell… husband has bad reaction to it… it revs my engine.
MX335, really nice social attractant… fun… doesn’t rev my engine or my husband’s.
MX274, very nice… husband likes it… doesn’t rev his engine… hijacks me during sex, giving me an observer effect, and distancing me from physical sensations.
I’m having much better success with the Putatives and raw pheromones.
Thank you. I agree about the Putatives being very interesting. I’m sorry your one small success wasn’t repeatable. I’m having great repeated successes with my mixes… but I’m continuing to test and tweak and I’ll continue to test and tweak until they are perfect.
Actually, it only seems kitchen sink, cause you aren’t in my head, Renny.
If you read my posts on the Women’s Forum, you’ll see that I am searching for combinations that: a) ramp up sensuality and physical sensation during sex; b) add relaxation and timeless/mystical quality for me; c) promote emotional closeness and warmth between the two of us; and d) promote and enhance our desire for each other. You will also see that I’ve been working on these for about 3 months.
Both my husband and I are 48 years old, and we’d been experiencing a drop in these things, probably related to aging. So, these were only intended for use between my husband and myself, although I have tested some of them out in public. We’re having some great successes.
These are not Pick Up mixes. They are solely designed for my husband and myself to give us consistent peak experiences with each other. I think they are something no one has really attempted before. I could be wrong about that.
Most of the mixes I’m working on that target me are Meo-Est and Est heavy… problematic for Androtics because of the Est patent issue… but good for my own use. These mixes all contain: Est, Meo-Est, Beta Androstenol, TAC, TAF, P102 and/or P103, and Copulins. Some also contain Androstenone, P83 and/or P93.
I’m finding that Meo-Est is sensual in just about any mix that also contains TAF; Beta Androstenol is great for giving a mystical/timeless and deep experience, but too much is sedating, and you can’t remember much afterwards; P102 and P103 at small doses dramatically increases the amount and intensity of physical sensation, but at too high dosage is incredibly sedating; TAC adds both a physical tension and a relaxation element that is extremely pleasurable; Est adds a very nice emotional warmth and loving quality; P93 is a bit of a nice wake-up to the mix, but needs to be in the right ratio or it’s propensity to encourage chores can be distracting; and that Androstenone is a powerful desire booster no matter where I am in my cycle (boo to those who say it only works during ovulation!), but it is extemely dose dependent, can be irritating without the other elements, and that irritation is physical and is much worse during sleep!
The following mix is different. It is for my husband.
This is the basis for my hubby’s Merry Christmas hot sex mix, which he asked me to make up for him as a stocking stuffer. The above is the per spray dosage. It is so low in TAC because I ran out and I’m waiting until after Christmas to place a new order. It is Est heavy because I want him sexually aggressive, not plain old mean aggressive… I wasn’t sure if Est would work in that way, and I always wear Est, so it may be unnecessary… but, that is my reasoning. P93 is reported to be a -none buffer, so I added that as well. I think Steve uses P93 in his successful pick up mixes as a none buffer, but I’m not sure… feedback here is important.
Maybe one of Androtics Products, like Ammo would work just as well as what I’m trying to accomplish. But my husband asked for a brew from his lovely wife… and he likes to have a scent option more in line with his nose… so…
I made up this low dose test run to test self effects in both myself and my husband. The physical sensation boosting effects of this mix for me were phenomenal. But the aggression factor was intense until I sprayed on Meo-Est. Meo-Est mellowed out the aggression somewhat, but the aggressiveness remained, turned into sexual-conquest type of aggressiveness. That effect lasted for at least 10 hours.
******My reason for posting is that I want to know if these Putative elements have been tested by guys and if any of them are sexually or aggression enhancing or both. From what I’ve read Meo-Est does not have the same sensual and sexual elements for guys that it does for women.
We want all that male aggressive energy that may be in this mix, but steered in the right direction. I’m more than a little concerned by P83’s frustration enhancing quality. That can go bad very quickly in my experience, and I may take it out of his mix. But I’m torn, because a little frustration can go a long way towards moving forward… still thinking, and still tweaking!
My husband tried this mix out (minus the Meo-Est) at the really lose dose with no bad effects and not so much aggression as what I experienced. I think the addition of the Est made this mix not so overtly aggressive for my husband, but I’m not sure. I’m just looking for feedback on these Putatives from the guys who have used them.
It because your using alot of male dominate molecules and they are making you feel out of sorts. Anone, P83, P80, P93 TAC are mostly used by the males because they have masculine quailties. Using small amounts in a female mix is fine but using them all with anone you got exactly the response I expected. You use the Putatives to steer the experimones. Your mix needs more balance and less male mones. You would steer the anone with female molecules not with male molecules.
Now if you making this mix for your hubby to wear thats different. In fact I hope your having him test them all out as well. You may hit on a great mix for men. But for the mix you will wear try some more female mones. Male mones really shouldnt get your husband going.
No it dosnt but I havnt much data on it being highly sexual for women either. Sort of cuddly and bonding, comfortable but not sexual. I find your results with it inspiring and will be re testing mine after the holidays.
I used this combination 2 nights ago, 2 sprays of each in the back of my neck, hair, and wrists. I didn’t get much of a reaction from anybody, but I had just bleached my hair and it looked real bad. It was in the in-between stage with yellows, orange, and reds. One of my friends that’s usually into me physically told me that I smelled bad. I went to the new Chi Chi LaRue store in West Hollywood (if anybody doesn’t know who that is, she’s a guy in drag that’s famous for doing porn). Anyway, I started talking to a guy that I thought was cute and I kept right on talking for a while, at least 15 minutes before I caught myself and clammed up. He seemed to like me even though my hair looked bad, or maybe he was just being friendly since he works there.
Saturday night I fixed my hair and gave it a light ash brown color. It looks very natural now. I had 2 sprays of MB, IS, IH and IO when I went out to WeHo again. I went to my usual bar and saw some friends there. Oddly enough, one of my friends was nicer than usual and even offered to buy me a drink, which I accepted. Its hard to tell if its my new look or the pheromones though.
Sunday night I went to WeHo again. I sprayed 3 MB in my hair, 2 sprays of IS in the back of my neck, 2 sprays of IO on my shirt, and 2 sprays of IH on my shirt too. It didn’t really seem to work too good though. There was a guy I was really interested in but didn’t have the guts to approach him. He was talking to his friends. I went to another bar and met up with a friend, and I met another guy through him, and it turned out that the guy I was interested in coincidentally was the guy’s ex. We went to the bar I was at so he could talk to his ex and he finally introduced me to him. After a few drinks I started getting all over him. Soon after, his ex pulled him aside and talked to him. Later the guy I met that night through my friend came up to me and told me his ex didn’t feel comfortable with me being all over him and that he is just too nice to tell me. I also found out that his ex is into guys with black hair and I just lightened it yesterday.
Anyway, I’m thinking that either the pheromones didn’t work, or maybe I just OD’ed on them. I’ll try with less sprays next time and see what happens. I haven’t given up hope that they will work for me. I consider myself attractive and all I hope for from the pheromones is to give me that little boost, that edge to get guys interested in me. In the back of my mind I’m thinking that the pheromones are nothing more than a cologne, and as cologne does, the nice smell is what attracts people in general. Its like if you have a regular cologne, if the smell is real nice maybe that gets people’s attention. Time will tell though. I just wish tonight wouldn’t have been the night i OD’ed on the stuff because I really wanted to get to know that guy. Well, there will be other times and other guys.
I’ll keep you all informed about my future adventures with the pheromone.
By the way, I forgot to mention that I put the pheromones on at around 5pm and the scent is still thee and it is now 335am.
Yes, I expected similar results to what I got… except I didn’t expect the intensity of the feelings at this low dose. And it felt very different, hard to describe… probably because I’m… you know… a female!
…except, I’m convinced P93 is a female pheromone… because it causes guys who use a lot of it to get asked if they are gay… and because it feels to me exactly like the famous pre-birth nesting urge when I use it.
Nope… this is for him. I’m testing for self effects to make sure I don’t have a super bad reaction while he’s wearing it. He is testing it out also.
Meo-Est is sensual, not sexual. It is the addition of some of the others that can steer it to being highly sexual. But I’ve found that it doesn’t translate that way without physical touch and intent from my husband. My mixed don’t make me wild, crazy, out of my mind horny for sex, unless my husband kisses or touches me. But it takes very little from him to turn this wild. I’ve worn these mixes out shopping, and with P93 in the mix, they make me excited and happy and giddy, and having extreme fun… but it doesn’t turn sexual. So, it is very contextual. And that is a good thing.
No i use it a lot at high dosages of about 100 mcg and never once did i come across as Gay or was asked that. All my putatives i order at 25mcg that is why i was saying i am pretty surprise you are even seeing results at such low dosages. I usually do not see anything until I hit at least 25 or higher. P93 is one of my favorite putatives here next to P83
Only time I ever felt like I was getting hit on by gay men was when I used too much TAH so I put those aside for a while
I probably get results because I use so much TAF with them… Without the TAF I feel something with each pheromone, but I’m not sure what… And I always try each one or combo and then ramp it up with TAF. Except for TAF… TAF with just more TAF is still pretty subtle.
Okay, well… I’m a bit busy right now with Christmas coming up to look up the references, but you can ask Steve and Mark-in-Dallas about it.
I may have been reading wrong, but I believe Steve said in his mixes (without TAH or TAL) at over 3.0 mcg he got consistent questions about his orientation. Mark confirmed with his own testing when he way over dosed on P93. Neither of their mixes were overwhelmingly masculine… no Ammo… no extra -none… no A314. I know my husband only wears P93 with A314.
Anywho…
Still looking for more feedback about these putatives… <sigh>
So, Denec… you like P83. You like P93. What are your self effects with each? I’m assuming they are different from mine.
Thanks, Denec. It is interesting that some of the guys talk about P83 being an inhibition releaser. For me it has shown itself to be more of a frustration tolerance reducer.
When I’m wearing P83 it is irritating if I don’t get what I want right now. I can get incredibly angry and rejecting on this molecule at the drop of a hat if I don’t get what I want. Normally, I am more fair than that and I have a high frustration tolerance level. P83 lowers my frustration tolerance level to near zero.
In a way this can be an inhibition releaser in that you go for what you want, because the feelings of frustration are nearly intolerable. But God help anyone who says, “No, you can’t do that,” or “Okay, but you’ll have to wait a minute,” or “Yeah, we’ll have to do that… later.” <grrrrr!!!>>
So, what did you mean by help contain the P83? What is it that needs to be contained? And self-effects? Notice any frustration in yourself?
So, P93 is a confidence booster for you? I love this molecule, too. When I’m out and about this molecule gives me a happy, everything is right with the world feeling, and not much can bring me down. I had found that my mixes with Est and Meo-Est were a bit sedating when going out and about. Adding P93 completely changed the tone in a very nice way.
I’m running into a lot of very down people out shopping this season. With so much weighing on everyone’s mind, I’m not surprised by that. But, with P93 I’m not getting dragged into that. And people do seem to be looking at the brighter side of things after being exposed to it a while.
I have only found one down side to this molecule, and it is a funny one. If I wear one of my sensuality mixes that contains P93, and my husband and I spend some romp time together, I sometimes find I have the urge to do chores at the most awkward moments. “Oh, my God! Honey, that feels great! Hang on a second… I need to put some clothes in the dryer…” That is usually about the time he grabs me, pins me down, and tells me I’m not going anywhere… LOL!
So, I’m guessing P93 doesn’t have this chore-doing element for you?
But for the mix you will wear try some more female mones. Male mones really shouldnt get your husband going.