For some reason, even small amounts of -none seem to irritate my wife. Either I naturally put out a lot, or her hormone imbalance is causing it, but even one spray of TUTH makes her crabby.
Also, MX292 has NO effect on her. Makes me swagger like John Wayne, but does nothing for her.
I know she is receptive to pheromones, because she reacts to Shine and, to some extent, to IH. Still haven’t gotten my half a to-go of IFM, so I don’t know if she’ll respond to that.
So I’m looking for a seduction/attraction mix with ZERO -none. Not sure how she’ll react to copulins.
According to Androtics website, Shine has been “shown to have sexually suggestive effects on women.” Maybe try using more of that?
Also, with copulins, they are not recommended in relationships (I’m just repeating what Catlord said). I’m not sure why - I’d imagine though that smelling like another woman would only work against you.
I’d wait for the IFM - that has too been shown to have some sexual effects on women without any -none.
The best mix I have found for sexual arousal without androstenone involved a lot of androstenol, copulins, instant shine, and some A314. Read the beginning pages of my Liquid Lust thread. I was using it with great effect on younger women, but it could work on your wife too.
Copulins are generally not a good idea at the levels suggested in the beginning of my LL thread because they make women think you’re sleeping around, subconsciously. But give it a shot.
Ah, okay, there is it, straight from the mouth of my #1 homie. Thanks a lot, I had figured that maybe you could even get accused of cheating if you were in a relationship and using the copulins.
I have read that some people have found P83 to have a sexual/sensual side. I dont know this for certain I have not tested it on its own yet. Its just what I read. I threw it into a mix one night with a bunch of other stuff. The self effect made me feel like Barry White.
For you:
25.0 mcg Androsterone
5.0 mcg P91
2.5 mcg P80
50.0 mcg Beta Androstenol
10.0 mcg TAC
For her:
100.0 mcg Beta Androstenol
100.0 mcg Meo-Est
5.0 mcg P91
2.5 mcg P80
10.0 mcg TAC
Androsterone has some nice sexy leaning euphoric properties, and the respect -> attraction -> love qualities.
Meo-Est is just damned plain sensual for women.
P91 -> euphoric, loving, thoughtful
Beta Androstenol -> at this dosage is very deep, very moving, very mysterious and lends itself to mind-blowing sex.
P80 - > at this starting dosage increases physical response to stimulus, including breathing and heart rate, and increases sexual drive and physical pleasure.
TAC - increases sensual muscle tension, while decreasing “neurotic” muscle tension. Can lend itself to mind-blowing orgasms, guaranteed.
Wow, that’s quite a shopping list. Wonder if I can manage to get a GC…
I ignored the posts on the anal thread. I eventually deleted those threads, as they were getting out of hand. If you’ll look, you’re still on my “friends” list. I don’t hold grudges, and I appreciate help when I ask for it.
Yeah, I ordered some P83 hoping for that, but stupid me ordered it with coconut and vanilla scent. Turns out I can’t handle that scent, and damn does it linger…
It’s now up for trade in the lounge.Neroli it is from now on!
txironhead your new to mones and while I love Dianes mixes and her zest for experimentation I would not jump into to buying all that until you have some experience with mones. Keep in mind some mixes that people invent are for there personal temperament and situation and do not work the same for every member. The description of each molecule is what they do for her and not for every member who has used them. The best way to understand them is of course to test them and report or do a advanced search of the molecule
Just to be clear I am not belittling the suggestion, I love Dianes mixes but mones cost money and running before you learn to walk can make you fall on your face. Putatives are test molecules. When new to mixing single molecules keeping it simple is best.
Meo Est works different for most testers. Here is some compiled info…
You need to work with the consumer products and experimental mixes first.
I suggest you check out MX200 which has a very low amount of anone. Yes it is called Asian Persuasion but this is because asians react well to it because they do not like anone. It works on all races though.
IFM would be great but I know you may not want to wait for it to come into stock again. Take a look at the products over at Natural attraction.com if your looking for A1 products.
If you want to try more putatives go with P83 neroli, or P93 which has some IFM type qualities to it and layer it with products that have worked on her like Ishine.
Oh and you got a GC in march I believe LOL You should have some points or you can earn some in the intro section for if you have qualifying posts in the first 3 responses. The instruction are in the sticky section of the store
Awesome info tish. She’s right tx, and it’s also one of the reasons why I haven’t explored deeper into putatives besides P123, P102, and P103 because of the money issue. Also because I’ve been kind of busy with MX’s, but as soon as I can I’d love to dwell more with the P’s and T’s. Also keep in mind what tish said about testing them alone first. Alone to get the hang and feel of each putative on its own and how it will affect your personal chemistry, as jumping the gun without knowing how they will affect you personally on their own will just lead to not knowing what’s doing what. Sounds tedious, but it’s worth it!
It really is a shame there is so much discouragement going on for trying Putatives. There are some real gems there for those who don’t mind exploring a little.
Its not discouraging people. Its cautioning people. Teaching them to walk before then run so they get the most of there pheromonal journey.
You have to keep in mind that everyone is not into testing, Some people just want a product that works for them. It also cuts back on the complaints they get when a new member says "well so and so in the forum said it would do this for me “Guaranteed” " There is no guarantee with putatives. I get these type PM’s all the time and we have addressed this before. before you say you didnt guarantee anything …
We are not discouraging testing we want honest useful feedback and there is a way for new members to test the products. One at a time at different dosages, reporting what you have found and then when your done doing this and you have some experience getting the proven products to work moving on to mixing.
I dont think there is anything wrong with sharing mixes that work for you but TX joined in March and its jumping the gun a bit.
Going to fast and suggesting advanced user mixes can be far more discouraging to a new person when they dont see the results you did.
Oh, by all means I agree! I just wish I had more mula.
I mean if tx had money to spend, and I were him I’d jump right on them and test! I fell in love with P103! So tx, if you are curious then you can give it a go of course! Just try them out first the correct way (alone,) as tisha mentioned. It’ll be the best way to become an awesome tester like diane. And it will also not have you obscure your results.
That is awesome. I’ve refrained from answering your posts lately. I’m glad we can leave things in the past.
Those molecules are quite reasonable if you attain reporting user status. Talk to Steve or check the forum for the requirements. I don’t think it will be a long process in your case, since you do report your findings.
I have a pretty strong suspicion that P80 and P91 are both closely related to Androsterone because of the similarity of smell and because the effects of these two are very similar to the twin effects of Androsterone. But the difference is that these two molecules are very strong acting.
I’ve referred to P80 as the Spartan molecule, because it makes you feel very much like a warrior, upright and strong and fearless and true.
P91 is very euphoric, can be very loving and family/friends/lover oriented. It is not what I’d consider a selfish molecule because it projects you towards those you love.
Androsterone does the same thing as these two, but it isn’t so blatant.
The only thing I’d caution about these two is don’t mix P83 or Androstenone with P80, or if you do, be careful, and report what happens. And don’t drive when you are trying out P91 for the first time. Some people find it very euphoric.
If you get the Meo-Est, let your wife know that you can both experience intense dreaming for the first few weeks of use. Tisha had a nightmare with it. But most users just report intense dreaming. I liked it. It doesn’t effect me that way any more.
Meo has caused more then intense dreaming, Memory lapse is highy reported as well as extreme aggitation. When I wear Meo at certain dosages my husband cant even be in the same room as me and this has happened to more members then just myself.
In another post you mentioned that its ethical to show caution and make people aware of potential adverse effects. I agreed with you. I assume you meant all products not just the ones you dont like.
Should meo est be tested by TX or other new members. Sure they may have better luck with it but when they are ready to move onto putatives not when they are new to it and a adverse effect can discourage them ever testing again.
Tx, you already know that Ishine is having positive effects. Work hell out of it! IO has a “romantic love” vibe that doesn’t get talked about much but does exist. IH is all about connection. IG is all about trust and comfort.
Now about that coconut and vanilla P83. Before you give up on it completely try putting on a spray, letting it dry completely and then covering with 2 sprays of Ishine and 2 sprays IH. Just guessing but it should be sort of an orange colada/coconut dreamcicle aroma. Maybe not something you would wear out bowling but might be just the thing to make somebody think about dessert.
I started out at 2.5 mcg and worked up to 12.5 mcg. I felt effects at 2.5 when I first started. Within two weeks I was up to 12.5 mcg. But I used higher doses of P80 because I was also layering it or mixing it with euphorics that tame it down somewhat.
P83 + P80 - do a forum search and see for yourself. Then look for P80, androstenone.
Hey, have you tried IG yet? Could be the ticket. Like diane said, -rone is pretty sensual, and it really boosts your image. A lot of people have great success with it, and perhaps that’ll be the winner for you. It’s also a standard consumer product, so it comes with the same guarantees and support behind it. If you’re still feeling warry, that’s the road I’d take. If you haven’t tried all the consumers, that’s the first step cause the results (good or bad) are pretty easy to see.
The P series are really awesome, but it’s really hard to get a handle on them at first. When I started, I wasted an entire to-go of P83 and P86 without seeing any results. Now P86 is my favorite molecule. P74 is another good one, and it was the first P molecule that I started noticing some good results from. It’s a bit of a favorite, and I really recommend it as a first try if you dabble in the P’s. It’s not “sexual” outright, but it’s “cool.”
First off, I am one of the first people to suggest to “true newbies” to try one product at a time. If you bathe in five different things you’ve never tried before, how do you know which one is doing what?
So far, I’ve only bought one putative, the P83. And if three sprays of Armani Code can’t cover it up, then coconut and vanilla scent just isn’t for me. No loss, I’ve found someone that wants it and likes the scent. It’s all good.
Even if I got everything on Diane999’s list, I’d get them one or two at a time and do the slow testing on each individual product.
So far, I think IFM would be a great catalyst to use in any low/no -none mix. We’ll see when it gets back in stock. Until then, I’ll take everything into consideration and research which ones I want to drop the green on.
Right now this is purely for research, as I’m starting several blind tests soon and will only be using those products, probably for several weeks. Which my bank account will enjoy…
