New Meo-Est/Est heavy mix

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I decided to go back to my basic mix of Meo-Est, Est, Beta Androstenol, TAF, TAC, P102, P103. This is my basic sensuality mix. I’ve tested 6 other versions and I still have 7 more versions made up to test.

One of the versions I really liked had some very interesting physical qualities. But, initially and after 5 days of testing I found it consistently shortened my temper. The mix made me feel like a cat in heat - but a very angry cat in heat… :angry: not good!

That mix contained P80, but also had some other putatives, including P83. I suspected the culprit was P83, but since P80 was in there also I couldn’t nail it down definitively. So I made up a new mix with only the basics and P80, and one with the basics and P83.

This initial test is of the version that contains P80 alone.

Oh, I also had 1/2 glass of champagne two hours before the initial test. (Happy New Year, everyone!)

I got some surprising and exciting results. These are just initial. I will be testing this mix for at least the next 7 days.

Below are the final totals:

10.0 mcg Beta Androstenol
83.3 mcg Est
108.3 mcg Meo-Est
20.0 mcg TAC
51.1 mcg TAF
5.0 mcg P80
5.0 mcg P102
5.0 mcg P103
1.7 drops Cops

I have been adding the Meo-Est and Est in a separate mix, rather than mixing all together - to avoid too much dilution, and to keep these elements the same through all the tests.

I find that the Meo-Est works best in these mixes at between 50.0 - 100.0 mcg. So these are really two separate mixes layered. The P80 is diluted to 5.0 mcg/spray and I added one spray on top.

One other note: Because of the spray volume difference between the blue 30.0 mL bottles and the 5.0 mL To Go! bottles, each of the reagents was added to 5.0 mL bottles before mixing. So the sprays listed in the mixes below are all from the 5.0 mL To Go! bottles.

Here are the mixes (each mixed in a 5.0 mL ToGo! bottle:

Est/Meo-Est/TAF mix

12 sprays 50.0 mcg/spray Est
12 sprays 50.0 mcg/spray Meo-Est
4 spray 20.0 mcg/Spray TAF
8 sprays diluent w/1 drop cops/spray (Butterscotch Cops)

–> This mix gives 16.7 mcg/spray Est, 16.7 mcg/spray Meo-Est, 2.2 mcg/spray TAF, and 0.2 drops copulins/spray. Total Volume: 3.6 mL

PHS Mix V.1.9

4 sprays 25.0 mcg/spray Beta Androstenol
4 sprays 50.0 mcg/spray TAC
4 sprays 12.0 mcg/spray P102
4 sprays 12.0 mcg/spray P103
20 sprays 20.0 mcg/spray TAF
8 sprays diluent w/1 drop cops/spray (Butterscotch Cops)

–> This mix gives 2.5 mcg/spray Beta Androstenol, 5.0 mcg/spray TAC, 1.3 mcg/spray P102, 1.3 mcg/spray P103, 10.0 mcg/spray TAF, and 0.2 drops copulins/spray. Total Volume: 4.0 mL

I used 5 sprays total Est/Meo-Est Mix: 1 spray to back of neck, and 4 sprays to chest, smeared to shoulders, neck, and wrists. I used 4 sprays PHS V.1.9 total to chest, smeared to neck, shoulders, back of neck and wrists.

Self Effects: very relaxing and a little sedating, with more than a hint of meo-est sensuality, but at this point it wasn’t as strong as I normally like it. This mix was a little more sedating than I’m used to… but I intentially raised the beta-androstenol dosage because I wanted to test that with… P80.

On top I sprayed 1 spray 5.0 mcg/spray P80 to chest.

Self effects: OMG! :open_mouth: The only word that comes to mind is exciting! The P80 really woke up the mix. I kept getting pleasurable nerve firing in my erogenous zones at regular intervals about 4 or 6 seconds apart with no muting of effect over time. I got none of the spartan war-like effects or desires like I do when I use P80 alone with TAF.

Two hours in and the effects were continuing. But I still wasn’t feeling the slow sensuality that I normally feel with meo-est in these mixes.

So I added 1 spray 25.0 mcg/spray Meo-Est sprayed to my chest. This slowed the mix down just a little and added in a bit more of the meo-est sensuality, but more might have been better… I’m not sure. As it was I now had over 100.0 mcg Meo-Est on.

It is now 11 hours past my initial application, and I’m still getting those thrilling and pleasurable sensations, almost as strong as last night. Any physical movement seems to intensify the effects. This is definitely a completely physical mix with no cerebral characteristics whatsoever… and no angry effects! I like it! :smiley:

It is as close to an aphrodisiac releaser as I’ve seen. :open_mouth:

All that pleasure firing really wants a target… heh! And it is taking all I can muster to not jump my husband and tear all his clothes off. Damn this testing! I can’t wait to try this mix out with him. :stuck_out_tongue:

Diane

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My husband's responses to my testing
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Wow awesome report Diane999 Thanks for sharing. So for my next purchase would you suggest that I get a bottle of P80 in a low dosage? I’ve been wanting to try it out. Or I was thinking or getting new bottles of P83 and P86 because I got them both in the large bottles at 25 mcg per spray. After reading all of your posts that seems like too much. The first time that I wore them I thought I saw some hits, but not much after that. Just wondering if I have too many mcgs per spray for myself in those…

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Have you tried the MX’s and most the comsumers already with success for a while.

The reason I ask is when people jump right into the putatives they can get a bit discouraged cause its not easy to pick up those vibes.

Just some info from my data…

P80 Is masculine, Alpha, gives a dependable vibe, its grounding and disciplined

Good for when you want to give a authoritive vibe for Alpha mixes.

I find it dosnt go well with TAA or TAH unless I use P74 with it. Thats just me though.

Go with a low dose 2.5 or 5.0 per spray

Tisha

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Diane I am adding some data to my notes and want be sure I understand clearly how you mixed.

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Do you spray it right into a to-go bottle or use a pipette ?

How do you get 1.7 drops of cops ?

Yum Butterscotch, Where did you get it ? LOL

I am sure you tested Meo Est on its own, What effects did you get solo. Where they sensual ? Do you find that Meo changes its characteristics with different putatives or experimones ?

Tisha

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Hi Tisha thanks for the response. I have tried some of the mixes thanks. I liked MX135 but could not stand the smell. I also tried MX235 and MX274 but did not like either of those neither. The only mix that I really liked was MX134… I did get some hits from P83 alone, but I wanted to try to mix it P86 I think I got too high of a dosage per spray though…

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If you liked MX134 then you should like P80. What do you plan to use P80 with ??

Tisha

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I am wanting to get my own sexual mix going :smiley::smiley:. I used LAM, with P83 and P86 to see my TG about a month ago and it was a hot night. Very hot, but I am always looking to improve and change and tweak. Plus I have a crush on this shy guy that works with me :o I’d like to get a mix going to get him to come out of his shell more consistently. The first time that I wore P83 to work he was very attentive and a little flirty. After I got the P86 I did not see as many obvious hits. I think I need to get new bottles of both in reduced mcgs per spray as well… I was buying every bottle at 25 mcg per spray but after reading more posts I see that that may not always be the best way to go about things. Reps to you Tisha for helping me out. Thanks so much :slight_smile:

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Lifesgood, next time you order, get some empty togo bottles. They’re less than a buck fifty. I recommend mixing P86 three or four or five to one with the P83. You can just (carefully) do three sprays of one and one of the next directly into the goto bottle. [That’d give you about 5mcg P83 and 15mcg P86 per togo spray.] Or you can buy some (also inexpensive) pipettes. Then you don’t have to be so concerned with ordering the right concentration, which can be hard to predict beforehand. You can experiment with different proportions.

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Oh cool thanks for the suggestion Warren! I really appreciate it.

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This is a interesting Method Warren, Good Job, You would waste alot less mones this way as long as your really careful about getting your spray into the bottle and cover it right away.

You should add this in my Tisha’s application tips thread. Link in sig. I asked for experienced users to post their methods and all low this is a mixing method its a good one to have posted.

Tisha

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That is a really smart idea, next time I make my mixes I’m so going for to-go empty bottles as well, cause last time when I mixed things in a big bottle, I was so close to messing up the whole “batch” not that it got ruined my luck, but imagine if it did! :open_mouth: I would have jumped out the window lol

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Since the spray from the cobalt bottles and the spray from the To Go! 5 mL give a different volume of the sprayed product, and I don’t know which one is the accurate dosage per spray stated, I just chose to use the 5 mL spray as my baseline for dosage. So these are sprayed into an empty 5 mL to go bottle, from 5 mL to go bottles. Does that make sense?

I use my butterscotch cops mix as the diluent in most of my mixes. Kitten 's Bubblegum Cops Mix was my inspiration for this mix. But since I’m up there (48) I needed more than the very light amount of cops in Carries mix. Rather than layering cops, which I hate doing, I use this mix instead.

Diane’s Butterscotch Cops Mix:

40 sprays Aqualina Pink Sugar
40 drops Essence of a Woman

–> Let sit for 2 days
–> Equals 1 drop cops/spray
–> Smells like butterscotch, cookies, and sex

Since I know Aqualina’s Pink Sugar spray is the same volume as the spray from our 5.0 mL to go bottles, it was easy to convert this to drops/spray - there is 1 drop EOW per spray diluent.

Since I know the total number of sprays in the mix, it is a simple dilution problem. I divide the number of sprays of diluent by the total number of sprays in the total mix. Since 1 spray diluent = 1 drop cops, this equals the number of drops cops/spray for the mix.

To get the total number I multiply by the number of sprays I used. The number is a little misleading. I’m using a spreadsheet as a dose calculator and it rounds numbers. I had 9 sprays total with mixes that contained cops. Multipying 0.2 cops/spray by those 9 sprays should equal 1.8. It equals 1.7 because the initial value of 0.2 was rounded up slightly in my spreadsheet.

Meo-est alone doesn’t do much for me, except make me almost obsessive about layering on more molecules. It is a hungry little bugger. It is subtle but insistent. Adding any amount of TAF to it makes Meo-Est somewhat sensual. I get a sensual slowing down of reactions, body movements, and perceptions with it. It kind of makes me feel slinky and feline. Adding either P102 or P103 to Meo-Est gives the sensuality a really yummy quality that is kind of cat-like, only more-so. It is hard to explain. It just feels really, really good.

Meo-Est, TAF, P102-103 makes me very receptive to being petted, stroked and kissed. It makes slow and easy – hot and heavy.

I haven’t found Meo-Est changes its characteristics or loses its tone with any of the physical molecules I’ve outlined elsewhere. But it may be the culprit in causing a hell of a terrible OD, shaky, nasty mess when I use it with Instant Shine x2 (4 sprays) or with too much P74 or TAA.

Diane

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If you are entertaining the idea of testing Putative molecules, my advice is be aware that these guys are different for different people. Plan on testing each one solo before layering. (Don’t forget to report your findings.)

Also understand that these molecules can have different effects based on how much you use, and what you use it with. Some things work well together… and some things don’t. And sometimes you can get a nasty surprise. Ask anyone who’s OD’d… it isn’t pleasant.

And P80 can have a sadistic or physically hurtful side when mixed with the wrong molecules or in the wrong ratios or with the wrong person. I’ve experienced this when wearing P80 with P83. Bella had a rude surprise when her husband wore P80 with P79 and Androstenone. This is a very, very (did I say “very?”) powerful masculine molecule, so be cautious! Do you remember the Spartan as he yelled, “This is Sparta!” and kicked the emissary of Babylon down the well? THAT is P80.

You are unique with your own unique chemistry. So without testing you won’t know which ones work for you and which ones don’t. So, I’d start at a low dosage. If you find that you are spraying half the bottle on to get effects - but you like the effects, then up the dosage. When I first started I used only the 10.0 mcg or 12.5 mcg to go’s.

I use very low doses of some of the Putatives because I find that more is a waste and because I use TAF to ramp up the signal. Luckily, TAF has that effect for me with every putative and test pheromone I’ve tried. But not everyone can use TAF. Some people find it is caffeine like. Without testing, you can’t know what will work for you or how.

Diane

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I have TAF well too, so I will try that with some of these putatives to see if that helps amp up experiences without having to use too much of the pheros. Thanks for the tips…

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I’m looking for a putative that will promote kissing, etc… Maybe I will try out P102 instead of P80 first :smiley:

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Thanks Diane, Excellant post, I wish I could rep you again but it wont let me LOL

I think from the data I have on P80 that the “I am Sparta” vibe you get is on the money really.

I dont think it will promote kissing though lifesgood, P102 wouldnt either but when you do kiss it will be a great one. You will defiantly feel something. P80 may make you knock him on his ass and take a kiss LOL
If you do dont forget to Yell " I am Sparta " first. j/k it would be funny though.

Darn I dont get that with Meo and TAF, I get bossy and a little pushy. The dreams I can really do without though, good goddess.:stuck_out_tongue: I am gonna test again later in my cycle with a low and high dose and maybe some P83 and see if I cant push it toward sensual.

Tisha

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Eh… although I have never seen the movie I am sure that the “I am sparta” vibe thingy is not what I am looking for… I think that I’ll leave P80 alone for now… Perhaps I need to add Meo-EST to my arsenol next instead and maybe a little Turn up the Heat. That is all that I am trying to do with my TG anyway is turn up the heat. He thinks that he has to “trick” me into having sex right now by starting silly wrestling games or getting me drunk. I just want to switch it up a bit. Our chemistry is great but I’d like to cut the crap out sometimes and just have him just get at me LOL… Oh I did have a question for either Warren or Diane… So when you spray into the little To-Go bottles it goes right in? I mean i would think that the big blue bottles would waste some if I tried this. how do you make sure to get as much as possible in when you are converting to the To-Go size bottles? Thanks again for all of your help and feedback.

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P102 doesn’t make me want to kiss but at high doses it does make me want food. It is a hungry molecule… so again I urge caution.

Warren has reported oral desires at a very specific range with this molecule. I haven’t yet found that sweet spot. P102 can be sedating, and that is why I use it in such small amounts.

Diane

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Yes, but Tish you can wear TAH and TAL! I find that even at 2.5 mcg I get bossy and bitchy on TAL and pouty on TAH… and I have a big bottle of each… <sigh>.

I get the best self effects with these meo-est mixes after a good hot shower after the kids are in bed and the distractions are low. One other thing. I had to stop wearing P74 and Shine for a couple of days. Those molecules trigger different stuff for me… more cerebral stuff. And it takes a bit of time to reset the brain receptors.

To push it toward sensual, try upping P102 or P103 rather than using P83. P83 is a bit of an urgent molecule and in my experience it interferes with the slow sensual feelings I’m trying to capture with Meo-Est. Not everyone finds P102 or P103 sedating but both of these were the definite keys to sensuality for me with Meo-Est and TAF. The only caution is P103 really drops the IQ down! :stuck_out_tongue: If it is near bed time that won’t matter.

Diane

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Try Est… it will knock that wresting thing right down and make him cuddly and care-taking instead… TUTH is good, but he’s already a bit aggressive, eh?

I don’t mix from the blue bottles when making a mix. Instead I fill a 5.0 mL to go bottle and label it, and spray from there into my empty 5.0 mL bottle for the mix.

The volume of the spray from a blue 30.0 mL bottle is approximately 8 sprays per mL. Sprays from the smaller to go bottles is approximately 10 sprays per mL. That means the volume per spray from the blue bottle is around 1.25 times the volume. This is a huge difference in dosage for these pheromones. That means that a dose at 10.0 mcg/spray from a to go would actually be 12.5 mcg when sprayed from the blue bottle, and a 50.0 mcg/spray dose would be 62.5 mcg from the blue bottle!

Since I don’t know which of these spray volumes is accurate for the dosage stated for the molecule, and I don’t have available at the moment all the nice accurate pipettes and all, and more pheromones in small bottles, and I want some control over my mixes and the ability to recreate what I liked, I chose to assume the smaller spray is the accurate per spray dosage as stated for the pheromone.

What I really want is one of these: