Okay EST is on my shopping list for when I get paid now thanks… I do want something from here as well, I think I will get that bottle of Meo-EST and test that out as well… I just realized that I can just unscrew the blue bottles and pour some into the togo bottles don’t know why I couldn’t figure that out before. Seems like I don’t need P103 after all … can’t risk loosin any of the precious sense I have left LOL.
You can either pour it in an empty to go bottle or you can spray it in. If you carefully align the spray nozzle with the open bottle you shouldn’t lose much product. Be careful of self effect though if you are mixing. Some of the Putatives that I find sedating, I have to work with last, or I forget what I’m doing. 
Est is listed on the Androtics’ site as XMESTRATETRAENOL.
Diane
Tisha has done a lot more testing with P102 than I have, and there is a lot of overlap with her results and my understanding, though there are some differences between my experience and hers. I haven’t had the opportunity to test it like I want to, but it is my suspicion that kissing is exactly what P102 (about 25mcg) would add to a sensuality formula (Self-improvement w/ P86 (Sensuality mix) - #14 by Warren). If you decide to experiment with P102, Lifesgood, please report on your experience with P102 and kissing! I shall be waiting to hear about it.
The togo spray volume is is 5/6 (or .8333) the size of a cobalt bottle spray. A 15mcg cobalt bottle sprays 15mcg per spray. A 12.5mcg togo bottle sprays 12.5mcg per spray. If you pour the contents of a 15mcg cobalt bottle into a togo bottle, each spray from the togo bottle will be 12.5mcg. [15 * .8333 = 12.5] If you pour the contents of a 12.5mcg togo bottle into a cobalt bottle, each cobalt bottle spray will be 15mcg.
I once tried spraying from a blue bottle into a little vitamin jar that I’d washed out. I thought it would be easier to spray into the larger mouth of the jar, and it would be bigger than 5ml, which would leave plently of room for mixing several pheromones. I lost maybe 20-30% to blowback as much of the spray just misted out each side of the mouth of the jar as I sprayed. Of course, if you use a jar with a mouth that is too small, you miss the opening and spray onto the sides of the jar and into the room! The sprayer moves up and down as you spray so the mouth of the receiving vessel has to have a diameter slightly larger than the up and down range of motion of the sprayer. The mouth of the togo bottle is almost perfect. It is as small as possible without being too small. The first time I tried it, I actually wondered if it was designed with that in mind! There is a little ledge at the point where the moving cylinder (that you press on) disappears into the spray top. Rest the mouth of the goto bottle on that ledge, properly centered, and spray gently. Holding the togo bottle at about a forty-five degree angle – and spraying directly into it – works well until it is almost full.
My experience tells me that P83, P80 (7.5mcg), P103 and EST are good for the impetus you are looking for. Alphanol (Instant Openness), Betanol (Instant Honesty) and TAA (Instant Shine) may increase his comfort level. Diane has her concerns with TAA.
Wow thanks for all of the wonderful info Warren! I would rep you again but I already did earlier today and I got a message when I tried again LOL. I will definitely report back with all of my research findings. I get paid next week so I will place an order for pheros and empty togo bottles so that I can try out this mixing technique. I already have Instant Openess, and Instant Honesty… I actually have a large bottle of Instant Shine as well but I had 20x cops added so it stinks pretty bad. I have not used that yet. I will order the P80, P103, EST, and I also want to go ahead and try Meo-est maybe not for this mix you listed above but somewhere down the line…
Another question? Should I continue to buy the full size bottles at 25 mcg per spray? Or is it better to buy them at something like 2.5 mcg then build up?
Warren, It could be that it just reacts different on men. As a women I didnt feel the need or urge to kiss more. However when I did have sex it seemed more intimate and I was more sensitive to touch and being touched. I did not say it would not be good in a sensuality mix, I feel it would be a excellent choice for the person wearing it. I said it didnt Promote kissing.
I have continued testing including 2 Male blind test subjects with me on this one. They so far reported on crisp sound but not much else. I did however see them on New Years Eve and they were using it and both of them were raving about the food like two men that havent eaten in a long time. Alot of comments like "wow this dip is good, the best dip I ever had " It was the same dip I make at all the parties and they have had it a million times before so I think with them the sense of taste was effected without them picking up on it. Didnt observe any kissing even at midnight. Course that dosnt mean they didnt have the urge to but I will work it into the questions I ask them later.
My husband hasnt worn it but I asked him some questions after I have worn it and he dosnt seem at all effected the same way as me so not sure if its just self effects. He dosnt respond to alot of molecules. However there was alot more ummm… noise being made when we were together then usual. I dont know if this was due to my reaction to the P102 which made me touch more or if he was actually reacting to the P102.
Actually Meo-Est is the first molecule I really had trouble with, I can wear any other molecule without negative effects pretty much. TAH used to make me feel weak but as long as I use one sht of 25 MCG TAL with anything TAH heavy I am fine. I am sure I will figure it out though, I always do. I will give P102 a try with Meo as well. I just got a few more test bottles. I think we just have different chemistry’s which makes our reactions a little different. Or perhaps its just the way we percieve the reactions that is different. Different molecules will do different things on most people but the under lying theme is usually the same.
I have tested MX103 myself and with test subjects, I am on my 3rd 30 ML bottle of it. Just havnt had time to report on the forum though. Its all in my notes and I will try to post on that when I am finished with my current tests.
For me P83 is sensual, I feel like a seductress when wearing it. This is the one that makes me move slow and sexy. There is a strong allure factor with it. When I wear it I notice more peacocking and presenting in men, more touching. I have worn it to quite a few Parties and it has charged the atmosphere sexually. This is my favorite Putative molecule.
Warren I understand why you feel P80, would be good in a sensuality mix for men to wear. It promotes a more powerful masculine aura. I am curious though why you feel it would be good in a womens mix for that. Its so masculine and has no sexual connotations. I guess what I am asking is how would a women wearing P80 come off as sexual ?
Tisha
This thread is another source of great info, great work!
I would be interested in hearing the views of Dianne (and those of Warren/Tisha/Bella/etc) on some of the other putatives that haven’t got much of a mention so far.
For example I would love to hear what P75 and P76 might add to the sensuality formulas? Also some of the P90s… After all, a molecule which wasn’t particularly known of as something special (like P102), seems to have become a real find in this round of testing…
I’m loving your reports, Diane. We have to give credit to Kitten for the Original Bubblegum Cops - I was a latecomer to the whole idea! My bubblegum mix had a tiny amount of EoW because my bottle was pretty strong - my newer bottle is much weaker and might work at the ratio you describe.
Keep posted. Warren and I are going to do a dual run of one of the Putatives. We’ll be letting you know which one.
Diane
Ah, thanks for clearing that up, Carrie. I’ll go back and correct it. 
Diane
I use P102 every day. It just makes me hungry at the dosage you recommend. Then again, I always like kissing.
Thanks for the clarity. I rep’d you for this.
Today is 3 days into testing P80 in my sensuality mix. I didn’t notice anything different about my husband. But for me, all I can say is "whoa!" 
It has tons of impetus, tons of ramped up sexual sensation, tons of added physical excitement (ramped up heart rate, ramped up physical tension, ramped up arousal)… but, at the dosage and ratio I’m using it interferes with relaxation, and hence, interferes with orgasm. That took forever! 
How frustrating do you think it is to have physical sensations through the roof but no push over the top… zomg! It was great! I could have gone for 4 hours easy. But, yet… I don’t much like working so hard… Maybe halving the P80 would be better.
This mix is hungry and sexual as hell, not so sensual. But the whole time I felt tremendous sexy energy running up my spine and all through my body. It felt like powerful, smooth, active kundalini - except with a tremendous forward-pressing desire attached. This lasted for a long time after sex also.
I felt this same effect with the other mix version that also contained P80.
I’ll be reporting more at the end of the trial run.
Diane
I’ve noticed that the way I layer affects the outcome. I always have to put on the meo-est/taf first, then layer the other pheromones to get the full effect. I put meo-est/TAF on, wait five minutes, then put on my test mix. Usually within a very short time I start feeling effects, and around the 20 minute mark it all hits with a bam! And there I am on that sensuality train.
I’ll have to go back and try this one alone more. It makes me so short tempered though, and I haven’t found a buffer for it yet. I still have 3/4 of a 25.0 mcg/spray bottle, though, so plenty for further testing. I have noticed it effects my husband much more positively than it does me.
I’ll answer this one for Warren, though I’m sure he’ll share his thought also. …P80 makes me want to tear my husband’s clothes off and do him in the dirt.
Diane
Oh, I’d throw in some MEO-EST with the EST, P103 and P80. It works especially well with them!
Depends on the pheromone. With some I want to wear 2.5mcg and some I want to wear 50mcg. Generally, I prefer to start small and build up as I get to know how a pheromone works. Some people prefer to do the exact opposite – start with an intentional od and back off. I see no wisdom in making my first impression of a molecule potentially awful. If you buy higher concentrations, you can dilute a few mL in a togo with grain alcohol to get 2.5mcg or whatever you want. Buy a couple of pipettes with your next order. They are only 99cents under Mixing Supplies.
If you are going to be mixing pheros, you want to buy larger concentrations. Otherwise you might wind up having to spray thirty or forty sprays of your mix to get reasonable dose. [The example below would be 91 sprays if it were made completely from 2.5mcg pheros.] I usually aim for a concentration of about four times what I want to use per dose of my mix. So if I am going to use 7.5mcg of P80, getting a 30mcg bottle would be good. Getting eight times might seem even more reasonable in terms of spray count needed from the final mix, but those high concentrations start to get expensive and hard to work with.
I like to build a mix table like this:
dose pherom conc spray 4x 8x
12.5mcg P83 025mcg 1/2 02 04
50.0mcg P86 025mcg 2.0 08 16
07.5mcg P80 030mcg 1/4 01 02
6.25mcg TAF 025mcg 1/4 01 02
12.5mcg MEO 025mcg 1/2 02 04
37.5mu P103 050mcg 3/4 03 06
100.0mu EST 100mcg 1.0 04 08
xxxxxxx xxx xxxxx 5.25 21 42
The table is ugly because the text editor removes multiple spaces so I need to come up with contrivances to keep the columns lined up. You can make a much prettier one which is easier to look at with a pencil and paper – plus, you can erase pencil!
This is only an example, using some of the pheros you have mentioned. Change it to suit your wishes.
The first column is the dose.
The second column is the pheromone.
The third column is the cocentration of the bottle you’re mixing from.
The fourth column is the theoretical number of sprays of concentrate per dose. The column four total is the number of sprays of the mix per dose.
The fifth column is the number of theoretical sprays of concentrate per four doses. Why four? You have to complete column four before doing column five. Four doses is like a common denominator and gives you whole numbers easy to work with. If you had a column four with 1/5 and 1/10, you might use 10 doses for column five. I typically run into 1/2 and 1/4 in column four so I use 4 doses for column five.
You have to complete column five before doing column 6. Column six values are a multiple of the column five values. Here they are each twice the value in column five or eight times a single dose. Using eight times gives you total of 42 which if you’re using the spray technique is the approximate number of sprays in a goto bottle. If you only want a half togo to test first, you can just use column five. If you wanted to fill a 30mL bottle, you might use 6x to create column six and the total would be 31.5, which is the approximate number of mL in a 30mL bottle. You’d then use pipettes to add the column six number of mL for each pheromone to the mix.
But remember a togo spray is 5/6 or .833 times the size of a regular spray. The total of column four gives you 5.25 sprays per dose. You’ll have to adjust that to 6.30 sprays per dose [5.25 * 1.20] if you have mixed it into a togo bottle from 30mL bottles. You need 20% more sprays for the same volume from a togo bottle. Of course, if your concentrates are from togo bottles, it will all work out, but you’d have to recalculate in the opposite direction if you pour it into a 30ml spray bottle (i.e. the 30ml bottle dose would become 5/6 the number of sprays).
I hope I haven’t confused you. Making a table like this is the easiest way I have found to develop and manipulate mixes.
Here is maybe a better alternative to grain alcohol, since it is technically illegal to use this without a liquor license, since giving someone a phero mix with grain alcohol is equivalent to serving alcohol without a license, and God forbid you should mix up a mix for an underage person …! silly, I know but…
Anyway the site below offers both Perfumer’s Alcohol and Artisan’s Alcohol. Artisan’s Alcohol contains hexylene, which is a very nice fixative that will slow down the diffusion rate of your pheromones.
Perfumer’s Alcohol | Formulator’s Alcohol | Artisan’s Alcohol | SD Alcohol Snowdrift Farm
Sorry, Warren! I meant to PM you this a long time ago.
Diane
Really, LOL It makes me feel butch, I think your misunderstanding me though or I am not asking right.
When you wear P80 which is a male dominant putative, How does your husband react ? Your case is a little different cause your in a good marriage and he is attracted to you. But why would a man be attracted to a masculine mone on a women ? In very small amounts on its own in a womens mix it could cause some aggressiveness like TUTH does but in higher amounts men become wary and confused. They are getting a strong “I am Male” signal from a women. Usually this is not attractive.
I realize your mixes are primarily for the self effect, but while creating the self effect what effect does it have on males when worn by you ? My thought is with so many male dominate molecules in a mix, men should be repelled not attracted to it. Men are attracted to women because they are women. Because they produce softer more feminine signals.
I guess this is what has me intrigued and puzzled.
Still good stuff though. 
Tisha
So far I haven’t seen much effect on my husband other than his increased willingess to initiate. He certainly has not become wary or confused. He has shown some increased aggressiveness in bed, and I suspect that is because of the P80 but it is too soon to know for sure. With this and other mixes that contain P80 what I have seen in my husband is he seems to have more intense physical reactions to my touch. He also is more… vocal.
I’m only wearing 5-15 mcg total (with refreshes throughout the day) so I can’t say I’m wearing enough to actually affect him at all. This is not a large amount of pheromone compared to what most of the guys wear to get self effects.
And I’m only 3 days into testing this molecule alone with my sensuality mix, so I’ll have to let the forum know when the test run is over and I get a chance to go back over my journals and compile a more complete report.
Per Warren:
The other thing is you asked how a woman wearing this would come off sexual. Since this molecule definitely makes me feel like I’m in heat in this mix that also contains all the other sensual ingredients (I wore it out to dinner tonight) I don’t know how you can keep from coming across as sexual while wearing it. It is the most intense mix self effect I’ve encountered to date and that’s saying something. It takes every bit of self control I can muster not to come across as a total tart.
Diane
OK I think I am understanding, Its your behavior while wearing it that makes it sexual for you. Your behavior can influence your husbands sexual response so it is sexual in that regard for the two of you. But in itself its not a sexual molecule. Used by the average girl looking to attract a man and not wanting to show promiscuous behavior it would be a confusing vibe though.
True but your mixes tend to have other male molecules in them so together they could give a heavier masculine vibe. This is what has thrown me. Probably because you approach mone use differently. Your using self effects and your behavior to create a reaction. Where I am testing just the mones ability to create a reaction while not changing my behavior drastically.
Opens many possiblities. Thanks for the reply
Tisha
This is really misleading and I want to clarify. I understand your confusion because of how I stated my response. But, I don’t use my behavior to create a reaction. Actually, I am specifically controlling my behavior to not affect my husband’s reaction to me… I’ve stated that recently. I know what the self effects are. What I want to know and am testing is my husband’s reaction to the pheromones.
You may be assuming that I am only wearing pheromones for self-effect because this is what I report on almost exclusively. The reason I report mostly on self effect is because these effects I know are different from my baseline without having to conjecture or guess. Without long term observation any potential effect I would report in those around me is too unsubstantiated and too open to other factors to make me comfortable attributing it to pheromones… yet. The exception to this is when there is a repeated and marked difference in what I know is baseline behavior in someone other than myself exposed to my pheromones.
I am observing other’s reactions, though, and I plan on reporting more on the effects on others after I’ve used them enough to more definitively nail it all down to my own satisfaction.
Currently I’m working on sensual mixes. To be exact, when I started working out my sensual mixes, they were mainly to see what effects they would have on my husband, not me.
I originally chose P102 to see if it would promote kissing in my husband when Warren reported that it had this effect. I originally added P83 and P80 in various mixes from a tip from Warren when he told me that these two molecules cause men to feel forward momentum and nice strong visceral effects. Cops, Est… those are self explanatory that they were to effect him.
The only single pheromone molecules I chose for potential self-effects before testing were Meo-Est, TAC, P103, and Androstenone.
Androstenone affecting my husband the way it did surprised me. P102 ramping up sensual feelings for me when worn with TAF and Meo-Est was also a complete surprise – it is not reported anywhere else in the forum that I’ve been able to find.
I don’t wear heavy male pheromones as a rule. My base mix I wear all the time is TAF, Meo-Est, Est and Beta Androstenol. Meo-Est, if I understand it correctly, is a female pheromone converted to a male form, which has not shown any heavy masculine characteristics. Est is a female molecule. I haven’t heard anyone refer to TAF as male or female. Since the -nols promote social interactions, are excreted by both men and women, and don’t cause the typical male alarm reactions in men, I consider them to be not masculine in nature.
So that leaves P83, P80, TAC, and Androstenone… P83… not testing or wearing atm. P80… testing this week. Androstenone… only wear it in very small doses during sex. TAC… is this supposed to be masculine? I just see it as a physical, non-gendered molecule. I’d like to see what the molecule is.
You are welcome. I hope this clarifies things for you.
Diane
Wow Warren thank you again for taking the time to share off of this valuable information with us. I will use this as a guideline when I make my purchases next week.