According to Jasmine (things could change) Androtics is not intending to develop products for the mass market that contain Androstadienone because of the potential for negative consequences. That does not mean this substance will not be available in the future for advanced testing amongst seasoned users, such as yourself.
Diane
Diane thanks for the tip re: P91. Do you think TAK and/or P96 would be helpful in this area too?
molecule K=TAK
Warren (June 14, 2008):
“…Earlier this afternoon the woman was getting absolutely hysterical. She was hellbent on getting stressed out over problems which simply did not exist, except in her mind. Finally I sprayed some TAK on myself so I could calm down, ignore her and concentrate. It worked and she calmed down, too. It was, at least, somewhat similar to Instant Female Magic, maybe better…”
molecule K=TAK
Daedelus76 (June 15, 2008):
“…Yes, this is pretty much how I’ve been using WAGG, a substitute for Instant Female Magic, one that doesn’t bring on the Instant Alan Alda/Instant Night Terrors. Plus, unlike Instant Female Magic, it works on men too.”
molecule K=TAK
Warren (July 21, 2008):
“…I think 10 or 15mcg can interfere with clear thinking in the here & now. It depends on what you are trying to do and what other pheros you are wearing, of course. I find that 2.5 - 5mcg [of TAK] is enough for the Instant Female Magic effect…”
molecule K=TAK
Warren (August 3, 2008):
“Phya, in my experience, so far, there are two uses for TAK. The first is for the Instant Female Magic effect. I often combine TAK with Instant Female Magic, anymore. For this calming people down effect, 2.5 mcg of TAK seems to be enough. At that dosage it doesn’t seem to cause problems with other pheros that I have noticed…”
molecule K=TAK
Warren (August 24, 2008):
“…I am also wondering about adding P74 to my TAK-Instant Female Magic mix to create a superior “Bitch be gone.” Theoretically, it seems right, but while TAK seems to quiet people down, P74 might get her yacking (about something as exciting as organic chemistry)…”
First Mixes: “Good” “Evil” and “Instant Bad-Ass”
Warren (November 25, 2008):
"When a woman with raging hormones gets me so mad that I just want to smack her, I get out the Instant Female Magic. I am always surprised at just how amazingly effective only one or two sprays can be. (Adding a little bit of TAK also helps.)
I have always used Instant Female Magic to defend my sanity (and keep me outta jail). I have never gotten into the habit of using it proactively as a seduction pheromone. I have never experienced Instant Female Magic as making me feel depressed, but reading that it can do that to men has made me wary of it. I never use more than one or two sprays…"
Help! No IFM! What to do?!?!?
Warren (February 24, 2009):
"I’m sure the Instant Female Magic will be back in stock soon. It’s a very popular product.
I have had luck with TAK. I don’t know if it will help with sex during that time [PMS], but it definitely helps with the bitchiness."
tisha23 (December 9, 2008):
"P96 saves Christmas
I hate Christmas, (sorry Jesus) For one, its so commercial, everyone has forgotten the true meaning. Everyone one at work starts to moan the day after Thanksgiving because we know the month from hell is approaching. Here in the northeast its even worse cause its frozen hell.
I for one tend to get anxious, overwhelmed and distressed. My parcel load (for those who dont know I am a mail carrier) go’s from 10 a day to 80 to 100 a day. I dont get more time to do them but you will be sure to get called in the office daily and reamed for going over your road time. I hate delivering mail in the dark, I hate the people who bitch at me cause they are getting there mail after dark, Like I really want to be freezing my ass off in the snow after 12 hours of doing there Christmas shopping for them when I know I haven’t even started mine yet.
I hate the people in the lobby who bitch about the lines and the parking and I hate the red Christmas envelopes with the silver writing you can barely read. I hate the people who send cards to people that moved away from that address 20 years ago. Jeez call them once in a while for Christs sake. I could go on and on and on.
I am sure I have shocked some people. Its rare that I hate anything or anyone but when you work for USPS it just happens to us. It comes with the job. There is no time for parties or caroling. No time to shop or decorate. You just sort of watch from the sidelines praying you make it through another Christmas alive. We count the time to our retirement not in years but in Christmas’s. I have 12 more of them to go before I can retire LOL The one bright spot is the tips but you suffer for them.
Most of all, I hate that I hate Christmas
Now your probably all wondering besides "Jeez whats wrong with Tisha " what this has to do with P96. A lot, I expected it to be more feminine perhaps sexual. Course I think everything is going to be sexual LOL
Its like optimism in a bottle. No anxiety, no distress, I am not overwhelmed, I have energy, enthusiasm a happy snappy outlook. I was going to report last Sunday but I had to be sure and now I am. This shit rocks.
Day 1 one spray of 20mcg P96 Package just came and I had to baptize myself right away. hey what is this feeling of hope and cheer
Day 2 1 spray of 20mcg P96
Smells like clean skin and light neroli cause I got it that way. Headed off to work. Was humming carols and smiling away like a goof ball. Oh look at the pretty snow, I can handle it though.
Get to work and enter the gloomy death chamber, at first I got the customary “what the hell you smiling at, have you seen the parcels” Yep I saw them, I can handle it though. Soon those around me were taking it pretty well to. grumbling stopped and people seemed almost human again. LOL I am serious it gets that bad. Got home and used one more spray, sat around kicking it back, no worries. We are having a ice storm, not a huge one but enough to cause trouble. I look out the window at around 11.30 and there’s a car stuck right in front of my house going up the hill they slide sideways and almost hit my mailbox. Its OK I can handle it. Pull on the boots and head on out to help. They get her unstuck and she calls her dad to come get her. Want some cocoa ??? (snort) My husband looks at me like I am nuts because he knows I am testy this month.
Day 3 (Sunday) 1 spray of 20mcg I cant face the stores with the crazy hoards of rude shoppers. Normally, I panic and get uptight and snappy. No problem, I have p96 and Amazon.com Thank goddess for Amazon. LOL I decorate a little have a hot cocoa and jammy day with hubby and diddle here on the forum while I shop for presents on amazon I feel great, laid back, not overwhelmed relaxed.
Day 4 Its Monday, 2 sprays 1 to chest and now one to hair. Head off to work. As soon as I walk in the supervisor tells me to bring my parcels out to the truck pronto. Yes sir Mr prick sir right away. He tells me to stop being a smart ass and move it. Its OK I am not overwhelmed despite the huge comptainer of parcels waiting for me. No anxiety, No dread, No irritation, Just happy enthusiasm. Hey look someone got a bow flex for Christmas, cool I happily drag it out to my truck. I didn’t even yell Motherf…er or anything LOL Again people begin to calm, there outlook is better. I even heard a few people say “its OK we can do it” This is not normal behavior at the PO this time of year.
Day 5 I had my Oh shit moment today. 2 spray 1 to chest one to hair. We sang carols while we sorted mail. 20 years and if anybody tried to play or sing one we would rip your heart out with our teeth. But we all sang except for those on the other side of the workroom floor. They were still cranky asses. Still whining, still dreading the day. I should probably sneak over and squirt someone LOL
My two partners in Pheromone crime and my best friends looked at me and said what did Jasmin give you ??? LOL P96 hope and cheer in a bottle
I am sure it does more then this, but the influence on me and others was so strong in the area of easing anxiety and improving outlook of everything that I just cant concentrate on anything else right now. After the holiday I will test some more, If I dont use it all up by then LOL
Oh well off to bed, I have alot of work to do tommorrow. But its ok cause I have P96
Christmas is suddenly looking pretty good Thank you ((((Jasmin)))))
Tisha"
bubblyblonde (December 14, 2008):
"P96 Glow
I got P96 last week in 20mcg and have only had a chance to try it once.
When I tried it, I used 3 sprays and WOW I felt so good within just a few minutes.
It made me happy, positive and peaceful.
The feeling or way I can describe it is I felt like I was glowing inside and out. Glow was the first thing that came to my mind when I was trying to think about how to describe it.
Not really sure yet about the reactions of those around me since I’ve only used it once but if others react to it as well as I did, this one is a “big winner” in my book. Very excited to try it out around others and see what reactions I get."
bubblyblonde (December 15, 2008):
“I absolutely love this one.
Used 2 sprays today at work and I was sooo happy and relaxed
It made me feel very positive and just in a great mood…”
msselva (December 19, 2008):
"P96 is like pandora’s box. There’s still hope!
I’ve got p96, thought I would test it when I’m stressed at school, but yesterday, I was really stressed with this paper engineering thing for my portfolio piece. I was so stressed, after so many times of cutting/snipping/folding/gluing paper, it didn’t turn out as what I wanted. I felt so pessimistic and upset, was almost close to giving up, ugh…believe me working with paper is sooooo frustrating! until I remembered that I had p96. So I thought I would give it a try
2 sprays of p96 in 37.5mcg (neck/shoulder blades) I was in my tank top and shorts so it probably got diffused really well
Environment: in my room, but the heaters are on fire, so it’s pretty warm
Self effects: after 15 mins, I was starting to feel calm! (and I was hyperventilating before! LOL!!! It was a really different feeling, it’s hard to describe in words lol) I kept telling to myself I’ll be okay and there’s hope! I thought this was pretty funny, p86 turned a panicky maniac into a hopeful soul lol
So I went back to work with some hope, I felt calm as I was starting to work, this time as I was concentrating, I was working more than I usually do with more positive thoughts!
then I used 2 sprays of taa in 25mcg
I usually hate diecuts and this time I was smiling to myself at I was cutting! I gotta say…p96 is kinda creepy since it’s got amazing self effects.
Reactions from others:
The USPS guy came to drop my contacts today! So I was really hyper, went to open the door, I was all smiley and he was sooooo smiley! He was chattin with me about how his day went good but everytime he comes to deliver packages at my place he feels all “glowy” LOL!!! It was funny and cute actually, but dad had to come up and scare him away lol
Mom/Dad were really nice to me, I know it’s christmas, but today, I was shopping online and spent a grand, usually they both freak out. But today, they were in a good mood
Sister, was whining about her exams and when I was around her she seemed more quiet and calm.
So there ya go, I usually go for stuff that I get reactions from others. But this one, I love it for it’s self effects! I need to stock up some to-gos for next semester!!!
Anyways, if anyone wanted to see what I was working on, it was on this sucker! (took me 8 hrs of hope to do it!) It was a b*tch to work with only paper and glue but hey, I think the end result is ok…"
I’m not sure. Unfortunately, I smell P96 as a bad smell, so I haven’t been able to test it adequately. I’ve never used TAK. I know that alone, P91 is awesome in a nice all encompassing way. It is its thoughtful quality that makes this a really nice bonding molecule, imo. And that it feels hippy loving feeling doesn’t hurt, either.
Diane
This is true but as they have repeated quite a few times.
A1 and IFM will be back and I am sure not just for the advanced users.
Every molecule has the potential for negative effects it depends on the user. Never heard of A1 effecting a women in a negative depressing manner but its possible. I can bathe in it with no reaction at all myself. Usually negative reactions have just occured in men so this is interesting that it effects you in this way.
Other molecules can have similar effects for men and as Steve mentioned P74 and P93 are your best bets to try first. Diane has had good results with the molecules she has mentioned as well like P91. I love P96 and have no issue with the smell. Its really all about experimentation though because I am finding in most cases results vary between men and women and this is indicated in the data from the forum I have compiled. So what works for Myself or Di may not work the exact same on a male. We are biologically different as well as respond emotionally different to certain molecules and stimuli. This is part of what makes testing fun though. Not knowing and seeing for yourself what a molecule can do for you.
Tisha
There is a report in the Studies and Abstracts forum about Androstadienone and Estratraenol. The report is a little confusing, but the backlash effects on the women tested is written up in the body of the report. I’ll go find the quote for you.
Here it is:
Diane
There is a lot of dense information in this short report, but it is well worth wading through. The testers were looking at both Estratraenol and Androstadienone.
Diane
It actually makes sense though. Whenever you use something that elevates the mood, eventually you will come back down, hence the adage: “What goes up, must come down.”
Yeah, except a lot of things don’t seem to leave a trough when you come back down, though. That is what backlash is - coming down way farther than you were before you took flight.
Some things just let you get back down to baseline, or a little above it. Take Instant Shine, for example. You get a little high, a little happier with it. But you don’t dig a hole and feel bad when it wears off. Beta Androstenol - same thing… just a gentle let down back to base line - no bomb crater.
Diane
I am aware of the study but its just one of many listed. There are tons of studies from the very same sources that indicate mones do nothing at all. We know better then that. Every study is not accurate or true just because it has the word University in front of it. I tend to study what the actual users say about it. From use here on the forum there have been few if any reports of a severe down effect in women (except yours) and very little in men (MHarris has problems with it).
Now while I have not surveyed every member who uses it I assume if people had this effect they would report it as you have. Perhaps they didn’t see the study LOL j/k Point is while I love science in some cases there is a motive behind the studies. I tend to believe in the people here in the forum and others I have had test for me. Just as I believe you when you report you get a severe down effect. People are the best gages of how a product works IMO. They tell us what it does and science tells us how and why.
Yes it makes some sense but bomb crater (come on now) IFM is…was one of the top selling product and no bombs went off. People can have adverse reactions to any mone sold here or anywhere. They can have a adverse reaction to grass dust mites perfume ect ect… There have been a few reports of coming down off it and feeling tired or blue but not full out depression.
Hell I find Ishine causes more of a backlash then any other product here and there are many reports to back this up and if you take it off the shelf I will break your arm LOL
Go watch TV for instance… Eventually a pharmaceutical commercial will come on. There is one for I believe celebrex or some joint medicine that tells of the wonders it can do with helping people achieve pain free movement and then they go on to say… can cause severe depression and sudden death LOL. OK then I would rather be stiff thank you. Of course they don’t mention that the people who died had a million other ailments and were over 100 but they still gotta mention it. However millions of people use celebrex free of any of those side effects.
Hundreds close to thousands of people use A1 with no adverse effect. Even more if you count the ones exposed to the user. Yes a handful will see a down effect maybe even one or two of them a severe effect. You gotta keep it in perspective. These numbers will rise as more and more people use products but unless it rises severely I don’t believe in planting the thought in someones head or scaring them and making them rule out the mone because of a few adverse effect on people. I believe in finding out WHY it had this effect on them and not on others.
I feel the need to repeat. I am not belittling the fact that reactions can happen though, just pointing out that perspective needs to be kept. Making people aware of course this is important but dont rule out a mone or product or another vendor (natural attraction sells A1) for that matter because of one persons agenda. Its just not fair to the rest of the mone users.
In my opinion IFM and A1 did 100 times more good then bad for people.
At least we can rule out sudden death with A1 LOL
Tisha
See now I agree. In fact when I’m anxious or was messed up when I was coming down off of those damn pain meds I refuse to take anymore I used Ishine to alleviate that crater. I’d wake up and would be in bad state and three quick sprays of IShine and no more bad state.
I would imagine though that it also depends on a persons neuro chemistry as well. If there’s an imbalance to begin with, then suffice to say that any mood elevation might crash down enough to cause that crater.
Of course I did just dispel that with my own analogy 
. I do recall some users experiencing anxiety with Ishine, as rare as it is it still does happen and this most likely would be directly tied to the mental state of the individual.
Yessssss… exactly, masterfully put.
Tisha
Awww shucks
You are forgetting Lor’s suicidal son who responded when a wearer (not Lor) walked by him wearing Instant Female Magic.
I’m not trying to scare anyone. I just think caution when a serious adverse reaction has been reported by anyone is the wisest course to take, especially when to minimize or disregard those negative reactions and have something bad happen as a result would be morally reprehensible. Not to mention the potential of law suits.
Most regulating agencies tend to seem to agree. That is why there are warning labels.
Diane
I agree in making people aware as I pointed out in my thread
There are two sides to every coin though. I am not saying you or Lor didnt see this reaction but it is rare. Remember this may seem like a large forum but its just a small part of the testing environment.
Look up meo Est and see the adverse reaction some have had with this one. Its one of your favorites that you suggest to new people who are not quite ready all the time. I have adverse reactions to it and personally hate it but I dont think they should discontinue selling it because of my reaction or the reaction of a few others. I just caution people. My point is not about your reaction, mine or Lors its about making products unavailable because of a few people bad experinces and taking away a person right to choose. Its happening in the perfume industry as well and we have been talking about that in the lounge.
Mones are not yet regulated in use in perfumery and we would like to keep it that way. So yes Caution is important but so is keeping it in perspective. I tend to agree with Steve. Mones enhance whats already there. We always have said this. The mental state of the individual comes into play just like in anything else.
I am not saying your wrong or you or anyone else didn’t see these reactions. I am responding to this statement which yes I have heard from Jasmin myself more then once.
Ok so no products with adverse reaction, Lets start by not making Ishine available then TAF, Meo est etc etc the list go’s on. Not just products here, How about couplins which are very volitile to the skin. They can melt the rubber stopper on the cap. I dont agree with it and I have said it to her as well. I love the Girl but I dont always agree with everything she says. (no offence Jas).
Make people aware yes, take away choice no.
Tisha
I didn’t read the thread in whole, but I thought it would be useful to mention Instant Gentleman. My girlfriend loves it during her PMS.
Can couplins really do that, or is that included for dramatic flare 
?
Dominick