My favorites off this site are the IS/AMMO Line. It makes me act sweet and I get kisses without even intiating kissing.
I also like Mx297 thown in there but find I’m more in the friend category and it makes too many men talk to me too which I don’t like.
Nonetheless my gameplan is based on baiting (as opposed to the in your face aggressive vibe seen from the 20 something men).
A musician by trade now I am constantly luring people into my game. I do initiate in terms of showing interest but I’m very laid back , and try to build sexual chemistry by being out of reach.
I realize getting women to chase you is a game in itself. Nonetheless, I would like to know the best mone products in Androtics that compilment this game!
You should use MX297 and Ammo with Ishine together. It says wow he’s my best friend, he’s sexy and confident and that is powerful combination in many ways!
Of course getting women to chase you is so much more than mones alone. You have to become not so available to them and at the same time project sex appeal. One thing I’ve been doing that really get a girls motor running is exude complete confidence in myself. I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again. The most attractive trait a man can have to any woman anywhere is confidence. Its what makes Ishine the single most effective stand-alone product.
Bearing in mind all the above if you could only choose one product it would have to be Ishine for me. Its going to say I’m the very confident male that you can let your guard down around and because such you can smile more often, talk more often and just feel good because I make you feel secure.
I couldn’t really answer that because my sweet spot for ammo is vastly different. What I would say is I have to wear extra Ammo anytime I wear MX297 to counter-effect the betaness I get off the mix. The Ishine I go double my normal usage so about 3 sprays of 2x. Again I’m countering that LJBF vibe the MX297 gives, with the confident sexy male of the Ammo Ishine combo.
It’s almost counter productive and personally I have a tough time wearing MX297 at all. It’s like all the work I’ve done to improve myself and project an alpha image is reversed. It can be done if you understand your sweet spots though
Being “out of reach” can also mistaken for being out of her league, or snobbish.
I do want to give you a word of caution about you wanting women to chase you, especially if you want to maintain this out of reach status. I have been lucky to be tall, muscular build, and considered good looking. That in itself can get women chasing. I am also a typical Virgo male… an introvert, or “out of reach” by nature. To people over the years, my introversion has been mistaken for snobbery, even though in reality I can be friends with nearly anybody and am far from being a snob.
That said, I think being out of reach can give you an aura of mystery, something the women seem to like. In my personal experience, the women that have broken out of their pack and were the most aggressive towards me have turned out to be the women that I most regretted having anything to do with later on. In fact, a few could be branded with the word “psycho”
In my own experimentation with mones, I want to develop my own social skills and confidence to be able to pursue the women I want. Sure, the initial sexual attraction helps both ways and having women chasing you is good for the ego. But in the end, you would be happier with the woman that you chose, not the one who you succumbed to after they went on a chase after you.
This is a fantastic post on your part. When I was younger in my 20’s and had the body of a competetive bodybuilder on the circuit, I was so into my development I was seen as a snob, mysterious, out of reach, etc and had women chasing me, but I desired them the least as they seemed so aggresive. In fact if your relaxed you will attract the aggressive ones (Someone has to be the aggressor after all), and that’s a turn off.
I like you want to pursue women I find attractive but find my whole life I always was the baiter. So what to do? Building social skills takes too much time and I’m definitely not a smooth talker.
When younger I was into MMA, bodybuilding, wild sex etc less talk more action my motto. Good for some things but left me feeling introverted to the extreme. I never had many real friends, even they I left out of reach from me.
Now I am a musician. I have my own youtube channel, and business cards, and want to get women to watch my videos to build status and attraction, and hopefully get them to show interest in me. But like you said it has to be mutual. When a woman chases me they are a lower status in my eyes (The balls in my court so to speak and and I don’t have to try harder to impress).
There’s this one girl I like but she is only 21. i am 40. I know I can’t even get a kiss out of her without scaring her off if I chase her so I thought i’d email her and tell her about my youtube site. Still no response. I can’t just ask her out to coffee without building attraction as she will run away thinking I’m too old for her.
What would you do with he 20 somethings assuming your older. I was told a status building product like WOLF is a good bet. It makes me out of reach, helps me build status, but overall I don’t smile too much as it makes me too damned serious. Other than that its gotten me a lot of free stuff like double the order of coffees etc When I build status people think of me as conceited. i’m really messed up here. It seems I can’t decide what game to go with for attracting young women for fascination, luring them into my world etc. It’s really hard at 40 but then again I don’t want to lure the old bags either.
Damn…I’m certainly not tall but obviously considered good looking and I too happen to be born in the sign of virgo. Though I don’t believe in astrology, this introvert stuff happen to be true. And some people, especially women - though they mostly say I’m very funny and sympathetic - they sometimes say I seem to think i’m better than anyone else.
This is not the case but I’m just a bit cautious around people i don’t know well. Pheromones have helped me loosen up a bit in that regard, since I become more approachable and I have no problem with people approaching me. It’s starting small talk with total strangers I can’t handle very well (still).
Scent in itself can cause a memory and emotional responses in people. Literally smelling like money may be a good ideal. It could be the perfect compliment to mones like pink sugar perfume is for women. Just a thought.
Who wants to take one for the team and try it out ?
(Don’t do too much withdrawing, though, because that annoys girls, haha. You are, after all, the man.)
A314 is good for the respectful, mysterious allure. It keeps people psychologically warmed up and works without you. I’ve noticed the women I really respect and like, respect and go after me + A314.
Women at 20 are a totally different animal. For one, just the very fact that you’re fit, a musician, and much older, wiser and more experienced (in their head) than them is a turn on. A bit intimidating, but a turn on.
Your role then would be a sage, sexy guide. Kind of like a Tom Selleck or James Bond. A man who “shows her the ropes”, shows her to her womanly self. You’d then make her feel important, sexy, and secure.
If words isn’t your strength, make all your (few) words count. And your TONE, make your TONE count. Who cares about words when you have the right tone? All you have to say is “you look hot in that dress”, and it will pack way more punch than “So I [blah blah blah story]”.
Pheromonally, A314 is wise. When you start laying a bed of fun sexual undertones and a dash of excitement, then segue to a small dash of TUTH.
Nah. hogwash.
True you can get acclimated to an effect… but does steak not taste good if you have it every day? Lay off for a few days, let your biochemistry reset, and then try it again. Your brain will go, “Oh yeah! It’s this signal.. I feel awesome around this!” and voila! Instant Shine! (no pun intended, heh)
Good advice. But I’m more like the 40 year old who looks, acts, and dresses like a 20 something because I’m into music trade, as opposed to the wise sage guiding the 20 something with his alphaness.
In essence I become the 20 something not out alpha the 20 something with an older man’s vibe.
I find A314 is too damned serious (great for making money and business) for a musician. We musicians are relaxed people. I need a relaxed signature. if I wear mones that tense me up like a314 does I’m only going to be a tense musician and that doesn’t mix.
I like the IS/AMMO/MX297 vibe. What I don’t like is that it doesn’t get you enough alpha status to avoid old farts like in the 70’s from trying to take over conversations while your hitting on young girls. Moreso, its not very sexual on a 40+ year old man’s testosterone levels so it’s hard to get sex. At most you can play a game with the young ones if your good and hope by being out of reach eventually they will see your a hard to get prize and pursue you out of insecurity. (Eg… Why doesn’t he talk to me more..? Why does he talk more to my friends…). I become an emotional basket case with IS / AMMo/ MX297 . Its like the balls are cut off. Really sad mix in some ways.
Have you tried MX297 + 5mcg P75? I found 5mcg P75 high enough to intimidate the guys, while increasing attraction from women. If you can add like 30mcg P74 also, the self-effects should be better.
Its not true at all for me. I have been wearing Ishine since 1/07 with great results. I guess maybe the confidence first has to be internalized though. I wear mones to effect others, not just me.
I’ve been doing some with that mix, or at least as much as my sore foot allows and got good solid hits from 2 sprays 297 and 10-15mcg P75.
Best responses were from younger women - late teens/mid 20s and Asians for me. Seems like a good mix for those with a lower none tolerance?
And this has been in environments that I would normally regard as unpromising/incongruent for MX297 - Once I’ve had my surgery and can go dancing/clubbing properly again, I’ll certainly be doing more!
I’ve been testing MX297 for a long time now and went through a few bottles until I came to the conclusion that MX297 solo is no good, you will not be seen as an Alpha Male in my opinion.
1x MX297 (solo): I like to call it “Instant Validation” because the effects on others make you feel good about yourself vs the self-effects, the self-effects of A314 are far more superior and A314 has become my daytime product to wear. Also too much friendliness from guys, girls see you more as the guy to “use” to feel good about herself, instead of boyfriend material or sex-worthy guy, gives girls confidence, I get approached, danced with, taken pictures with, but girls won’t makeout with me. I feel used and unappreciated. Also self-effects aren’t comfortable, like I’m projecting this signal, but it’s not who I (really) am. Feel a bit emotional on it and not really manly. No “real” attraction.
1x MX297 + 2.5mcg P75: Guys are still friendly, girls are a bit attracted but self-effects still not so good.
1x MX297 + 5mcg P75: Keeps guys away, guys are cool with me, but less befriending, also more attraction from girls. Self-effects much better, buffers the uncomfortable feeling from MX297.
1x MX297 + 10-20mcg P96: Disinhibiting, space-reducing effects on women, still uncomfortable self-effect without P75.
1x MX297 + 5mcg P75 + 30mcg P74: Great self-effects, this is where the uncomfortable feeling of MX297 goes away, mood up and still seeing the effects of MX297 on others. I still feel masculine, and no approach anxiety, I approach people and people open up to me. This combo produced the best self-effects so far for me on a night out. And I’d like to focus more on a mix with MX297/P75/P74 as a base, eventually I want to steer it in a more attractive, sexual, way with P96/P83 and without -none that has an anxious/nervous effect on me. It has like an pro-active, social, anti-anxiety feel to it, no -none nervousness and feels like breathing in fresh air.
Most testing was done in bars/clubs, women age ranges 20-30.
