When you spray, say instant shine on your neck or arms is it best to spray and let it dry as is, or is there any benefit to rubbing it around so it covers more area?
Also, I have read you can’t OD on instant shine but if you use too much and you are trying to attract a woman, can it make you seem too friendly rather than attractive?
Best to let it dry as-is or very lightly spread it around.
Do not rub it in, this only drives the pheros into the epidermis and reduces diffusion/longevity - and for IS, you need as much of that as you can get!
No, you can’t exactly OD on it but too much can get a bit silly but its not too friendly - Other products are more the culprits for that kind of vibe.
Another thing with too much IS is that after a few hours/topups, you can end-up feeling a bit drained/burned out/drawn. A rest and a bit of decent food and something non-alcoholic to drink can help offset this.
Thanks mobocaster 
I haven’t tried topping up instant shine, I have certainly noticed profound differences in how talkative it makes me and other people when wearing IS. The first time I sprayed one to my neck and one to the back of my hand and I felt a wave of happiness, and found it easier to talk and laugh with people. I noticed it makes my worries seem less and makes me feel more confident and talkative. I think the most noticeable thing is that other people are more talkative and friendly towards me. It’s like they don’t feel threatened or they just know almost immediately it’s ok to be friendly with you.
When does IS need to be topped up? Without topping up it seems similar effects last throughout the day, although I’m not sure if this is just because it put me in a more sociable and talkative mood at the start of the day and my mood continues or if it’s still some residual effects of the IS.
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The only problem with wearing large amounts of I.S. is that IME you can come across as Beta in some situations, also when the I.S. does eventually break down it becomes very smelly, well it does on me anyway..LOL
But overal IS is one of the easiest pheromones to use(IME).
Do you find that going over a certain number of sprays of IS makes you seem more beta? I’m guessing if you used it with something like TUTH or lots of ammo then you wouldn’t come across as beta compared to using just IS on its own?
Yes, what you pair it with will make a lot of difference but I don’t entirely hold with the “this phero makes you beta” thinking - this aspect of things is entirely up to you and how you handle the phero/s concerned.
So if a particular product/mix/dose does not complement your situation/personality/body chemistry or personality well or gives self effects that hamper you, don’t blame the phero - Go and find a different combo that suits you better instead.
Depending on environmental factors (heat/humidity etc) IS is not one of the longer acting pheros - I’d usually plan a topup in the 3-4 hr range as the effects fall-off very sharoly after that. TAA is worse as the IS steering also prolongs activity significantly. 90mins - 3 hrs max for it. Other spray pheros should see you get a good 6 hrs out of an application (with some degradation/buildup effects continuing for much longer) and oils in the 8-10hr range.
I read that build up effects of topping up ammo and pheros with androsterone can be too much and will make people want to avoid you and you can intimidate them. I actually saw this with the first product I tried that contained pheros (not from androtics) it contained androsterone and I didn’t know about how much you should or shouldn’t use, guys were actually displaying aggressive and stand offish behaviour towards me, looking at me as though I was a threat in some way. Older women seemed to be displaying similar behaviour too. It really took me by surprise but it proved to me that pheros really do have an effect on people. That’s when I did some research, found this forum and andotics products and learned more and found out why people were behaving in that way.
What are the effects of build up for IS? If you do one spray of IS to both sides of your neck in the morning and then top up in the afternoon with another two sprays, what is the effect of the build up?
Androsterone! That does not sound like the sort of negative effects you get from that. In fact you just turned-in a rear perfect description of an Androstenone OD. Too much unsteered rone generally gets you a more aged, “funky-uncle” or dad-like/grandfatherly vibe or can be boring as anything.
What product was it - it may have other pheros in it that steered/complicated matters?
IS doesn’t last long enough for you to have to worry about buildup and the only issue from breakdown is a bit of smell. Buildup is more the province of None and Rone but most commonly None - which is why you can actually use it to good effect by managing your topups of the lighter molecules carefully to restore moderation/balance and steering to it.
I actually meant androstenone is what it contained. I got confused between rone and none. I put on much less of it a for a few days after and people were behaving as normal towards me again.
OK - then you already know where you are going with a none OD!
TBH, buildup mixes are another more advanced application of pheros and can take a bit of time/trial and error/fine tuning to get right. At your stage of phero use, you will probably be better looking at finding your doses with a fairly wide range of pheros and getting used to them on a one-shot basis. Once you have a bit of experience under your belt, it will be much easier to judge mixes on the hoof.
Get yourself some Witch Hazel, Tea Tree or even an anti-spot (salicylic acid) soap or wash - So even if you don’t have time to have a full shower between applications, you can still quickly and completely clean-up previous applications so you can start afresh.