Which pheromones will encourage women to seduce me?

[Newbie777]

Normally I do not post threads here because I feel I have a good intuitive grasp of what types of pheromones to use and usually I get advice that may confuse me when I may have it right the first time.

Nevertheless, I’ve just decided to write this thread. I have a mental fantasy on a female gym attendant that I may be seeing for a physical assessment sometime next month. She basically goes over some measurements and stuff, and I may give her feedback of what I’m doing, where I am with my fitness goals, and she may show me some stuff.

The last time I saw her the chemistry I felt with her or connection was amazing. It felt more like a date than a session to me. We almost hugged each other but I pulled back and felt too awkward to tell her that “yeah it’s okay, touch me, hug me”. She was basically focusing on exercises to relieve the tension inside me (leg stretches, etc…), and she seems very nice and helpful.

So, I’m thinking wow. I can’t help but say this interaction has led to mental fantasies and has me thinking, what would happen if I used pheromones? Could this possibly change into a steamy make-out session with her taking me over?

My first guess is it’s totally unrealistic because of the business/health nature of the interaction. At best, perhaps, MOLECULE-K, may encourage some friendly kino touching by her (i.e. saw it work on another older woman and there was more touching by her than normal when this pheromone was used). Or, try using “Instant Female Magic” in a Dial soap so it would make it less obvious to me that I’m trying something on her since all I’m doing is taking a shower and putting soap on.

Yet, on the other hand, I wonder what effect, A314 coupled with TUTH would have. I was reserving that more for more contrived sexual encounters (i.e. a massage parlour or escort to get more mileage, if I were into that) and am not sure if going hardcore would be a good idea.

On one hand, I want a pheromone that would compliment my sort of “nice guy” frigid persona but also strike out a sexual attraction and seduction by her. Hoping for some advice on some putative, or experimental pheromones that may be natural and appeal to the alpha-female in her if she’s into my type.

[Newbie777]

In answer to my own question, I find the user named Tacitus offers great experience into the questions. In reviewing his posts, his style is to try out pheromones in massages, escorts, or offering money to “civvies” in order to set-up encounters.

I am a bit skeptical of his work (i.e. doubt you can just offer money to “civvies” without a threat of offending someone or being kicked out if it really goes south and it’s one of these “don’t try this at home” concept). Nevertheless, I see he has very precise contributions about what types of mixes work to get that coveted entactogenic effect that my original post is screaming out for.

The catch of it is, the bottle most recommended is unavailable (i.e out of stock), and expensive. It’s known as MEO-EST, also p96 (10-25) and TAH 5-10) is also recommended they are less expensive.

I think Tacitus’ post could be the goldmine I’m looking for on here so I may review more of that later. However, I own allot of pheromone TO GO bottles, and a body soap with Instant Female Magic, and A314 and IS, and I haven’t really used pheromones except for the self-effects of IS, and that’ used like a few times in a year.

Hope I’ve answered my own question.

[still18]

@Newbie777

In answer to my own question, I find the user named Tacitus offers great experience into the questions. In reviewing his posts, his style is to try out pheromones in massages, escorts, or offering money to “civvies” in order to set-up encounters.

I am a bit skeptical of his work (i.e. doubt you can just offer money to “civvies” without a threat of offending someone or being kicked out if it really goes south and it’s one of these “don’t try this at home” concept). Nevertheless, I see he has very precise contributions about what types of mixes work to get that coveted entactogenic effect that my original post is screaming out for.

The catch of it is, the bottle most recommended is unavailable (i.e out of stock), and expensive. It’s known as MEO-EST, also p96 (10-25) and TAH 5-10) is also recommended they are less expensive.

I think Tacitus’ post could be the goldmine I’m looking for on here so I may review more of that later. However, I own allot of pheromone TO GO bottles, and a body soap with Instant Female Magic, and A314 and IS, and I haven’t really used pheromones except for the self-effects of IS, and that’ used like a few times in a year.

Hope I’ve answered my own question.

In my experience a combination of IG and AMMO encourages women in a casual setting to notice and flirt with you. It’s such a masculine vibe that makes women feel very attracted to you and could cause a clingy effect when it hits. Also the addition of P83 might be helpful as well. You don’t need much more really. Could use TUTH instead of AMMO for a more sexual response. Depends on the situation.

[mobocaster]

IFM is not in Dial soap - It uses plain A1. IFM was a full-on mix with other secondary and steering components. TBH, Dial didn’t have great deal of A1 either and reliable dosing is exceptionally difficult as there have always been concerns about how much actually remains on the skin after washing. The patent on A1 in scented products expired some time ago, so there has been a flood of good A1 mixes and standalones from reputable vendors this past two years - plenty of discussion here if you want to search. Cohesion from PXS or Lovescent’s chemset A1 remains my favourite because Cohesion’s oil-base suits A1 so well and LS’s A1 can be mixed/dosed to personal requirements very easily.

If she is co-aged with you, A314/TUTH and maybe some P83 &/or IS might be a good one - I’ve had many 30+ women proposition me on that in social/sexual environments.

A314/A1 (or cohesion) might be a better proposition at work/formal situations but its not going to hit so hard and fast - more of a slowburn/developing mix.

[Newbie777]

@mobocaster

IFM is not in Dial soap - It uses plain A1. IFM was a full-on mix with other secondary and steering components. TBH, Dial didn’t have great deal of A1 either and reliable dosing is exceptionally difficult as there have always been concerns about how much actually remains on the skin after washing. The patent on A1 in scented products expired some time ago, so there has been a flood of good A1 mixes and standalones from reputable vendors this past two years - plenty of discussion here if you want to search. Cohesion from PXS or Lovescent’s chemset A1 remains my favourite because Cohesion’s oil-base suits A1 so well and LS’s A1 can be mixed/dosed to personal requirements very easily.

I’ve heard some reports on here from other users who have used the Dial Soap and get some positive results. When I’ve used it, it gave me a spaced-out sort of drowsy sort of self-effect.

When I used this soap, I noticed a gym attendant was quite friendly and was playing with her hair when I was around (possible sign of attraction). This was a few years ago. So, I do believe the soap should have some effect.

@mobocaster

If she is co-aged with you, A314/TUTH and maybe some P83 &/or IS might be a good one - I’ve had many 30+ women proposition me on that in social/sexual environments.

That’s very impressive.

@mobocaster

A314/A1 (or cohesion) might be a better proposition at work/formal situations but its not going to hit so hard and fast - more of a slowburn/developing mix.

This may be more realistic as it’s a formal situation and the above mix may be over the top. But, it looks like whatever I use, I’ll probably need A314 (and that includes the Dial Soap)! Unless it’s some nice guy / puppy love / or something beta that’s fueling the interaction I think A314 should help maintain an alpha frame. Probably IS as well will be very useful.

[mobocaster]

@Newbie777

I’ve heard some reports on here from other users who have used the Dial Soap and get some positive results. When I’ve used it, it gave me a spaced-out sort of drowsy sort of self-effect.

That’s very impressive.

This may be more realistic as it’s a formal situation and the above mix may be over the top. But, it looks like whatever I use, I’ll probably need A314 (and that includes the Dial Soap)! Unless it’s some nice guy / puppy love / or something beta that’s fueling the interaction I think A314 should help maintain an alpha frame. Probably IS as well will be very useful.

Yes, it can work to highly variable degrees but its an A1 response, not IFM - Which had different steering. A1 might have been the main component of IFM but it is far from the whole story. The spaced/drowsy effects could be the A1 downers hitting you at a low level. Again, with an oil-based A1 product you could use app points that have the least risk of affecting you and tune your dose most accurately - Often people use far too much A1 and suffer needlessly for it, to no better overall effect.

That’s become very normal!

A314 yes, for mature guys/gals, its a must but there are so many far better and more reliable/consistent/predictable dose A1 products around now that leave Dial far behind - Dial was only really an option during the years A1 was under patent and viable products were very thin on the ground.

[GabRulez]

You might also consider to add some P83 to your mix. It work as a deshinibitor and might help people around you to do some moves they would normally not do.

[mobocaster]

Yup - P83 is a very useful secondary with all the pheros discussed on this thread.

[Casanova]

@Newbie777

Normally I do not post threads here because I feel I have a good intuitive grasp of what types of pheromones to use and usually I get advice that may confuse me when I may have it right the first time.

Nevertheless, I’ve just decided to write this thread. I have a mental fantasy on a female gym attendant that I may be seeing for a physical assessment sometime next month. She basically goes over some measurements and stuff, and I may give her feedback of what I’m doing, where I am with my fitness goals, and she may show me some stuff.

The last time I saw her the chemistry I felt with her or connection was amazing. It felt more like a date than a session to me. We almost hugged each other but I pulled back and felt too awkward to tell her that “yeah it’s okay, touch me, hug me”. She was basically focusing on exercises to relieve the tension inside me (leg stretches, etc…), and she seems very nice and helpful.

So, I’m thinking wow. I can’t help but say this interaction has led to mental fantasies and has me thinking, what would happen if I used pheromones? Could this possibly change into a steamy make-out session with her taking me over?

My first guess is it’s totally unrealistic because of the business/health nature of the interaction. At best, perhaps, MOLECULE-K, may encourage some friendly kino touching by her (i.e. saw it work on another older woman and there was more touching by her than normal when this pheromone was used). Or, try using “Instant Female Magic” in a Dial soap so it would make it less obvious to me that I’m trying something on her since all I’m doing is taking a shower and putting soap on.

Yet, on the other hand, I wonder what effect, A314 coupled with TUTH would have. I was reserving that more for more contrived sexual encounters (i.e. a massage parlour or escort to get more mileage, if I were into that) and am not sure if going hardcore would be a good idea.

On one hand, I want a pheromone that would compliment my sort of “nice guy” frigid persona but also strike out a sexual attraction and seduction by her. Hoping for some advice on some putative, or experimental pheromones that may be natural and appeal to the alpha-female in her if she’s into my type.

Well - if you’re close to each other and touching I would recommend you TUTH - pure androstenone.Gives sexual vibe + kino = chance.A314 is good but not for seduction.As to percieved as a good and decent huy IG will do the trick, but…well… it will be a buzz kill…so in my opinion TUTH or for morelight - Ammo…

[Newbie777]

@Casanova

Well - if you’re close to each other and touching I would recommend you TUTH - pure androstenone.Gives sexual vibe + kino = chance.A314 is good but not for seduction.As to percieved as a good and decent huy IG will do the trick, but…well… it will be a buzz kill…so in my opinion TUTH or for morelight - Ammo…

We are not close or touching. This is purely a business interaction where the last time I dealt with her was around December 4th. She works at the Gym as to help people construct diet and exercise plans and make the most of the use of the Gym.

It’s likely I built up a mental fantasy from that session based on her looks and chemistry I felt between us at that time. However, after that session I felt as though we could have hugged each other but I held back. The next session is at the middle of this month.

If I am to use pheromones on this, then it’s likely I want to see if there would be something “out of the ordinary” for kicks.

Now, I tend to agree with you that A314 and IG may not be helpful in a seductive sense because this is not a business interaction, and when I’ve used IG I haven’t noticed any out of ordinary hits. It’s more likely that whatever I use, IS, TUTH, and Dial soap (lacking any other AI) product sounds like an experiment.

My pheromones include:

1. IG, TUTH, Molecule-K, IS, A314, p102, IH, IO, Dial(a1)

In my past use of pheromones, which are very sparingly, I’ve used:

IG, Molecule-K, IS, A314, IO, and Dial(a1). I’ve never tried TUTH as I’m afraid of that particular pheromone. IH has never been tried either.

I wonder what IH and TUTH would do there if I’m afraid of both those pheromones and use it on her for kicks, lol! IH is supposed to build rapport and TUTH sexual tension…humm.. p83 is the x-rated version of IH from what I understand.

[mobocaster]

No, P83 and IH are worlds apart but they do go well in mixes together.

If you are using TUTH/IH together in a mix, then I strongly suggest you include either some IS, TAC, P130 or another light/feelgood/playful molecule - This is to help counter IH’s tendency to go too-deep emotionally in all the wrong non-attractive ways. Feelgood steering is important here and IME, IS is the best/easiest to use for this.

[mobocaster]

@Casanova

A314 is good but not for seduction

This depends a lot on age - OP is 37 and by the time they hit their thirties, women do lean more to a mature/A314 vibe in mixes compared to younger ones. But yes, steering is important too and some fairly blunt Androstenonr - eg TUTH is a good combo as they tend to be much more up-front with a sexual/status response.

[Newbie777]

@mobocaster

This depends a lot on age - OP is 37 and by the time they hit their thirties, women do lean more to a mature/A314 vibe in mixes compared to younger ones. But yes, steering is important too and some fairly blunt Androstenonr - eg TUTH is a good combo as they tend to be much more up-front with a sexual/status response.

Thank you mobocaster.

My posted age and chronological age is 37 years. My “looks” age or the way I vibe may cause confusion depending on how my hair is. My impression I left with this lady is probably that I’m in my early to mid twenties just based on how I carried myself. Basically shy and inexperienced.

Other women sometimes mis-identify me as being 20-23 years, especially if I’m bald headed. If my hair is grown, there is a bald-spot and grey on it which would make me look way older.

I like the suggestion about Instant Shine. Not to confuse things, but even as a standalone I think that may make things a bit “lighter” in contrast to my heavier and stiff, stoic personality. I’ve noticed my rapport with women changes with Shine on where I don’t feel as nervy, but more like calm, cool and collected.

In one instance where I used Instant Shine, I even just stood there and smiled at a lady and she smiled back. An interaction like that is very out of character since I’m all seriousness and business. It’s who I am, I don’t even know how to flirt successfully with most women. It’s like I’m a painfully shy nerd that just analyzes everything, freezes up, and then has mental fantasies after the fact. So, obviously, this is probably the most important pheromone I have since I’m just stiff, serious, and very nervy to begin with.

I realize that pheromones is a process of trial and error as you will not know which amounts will go with what and what would have that punch.

I was thinking of buying p96 today as I hear it has been out for a long time, so that TUTH and p96 would probably complement each other. But hopefully my plan to use the pheromones I already own should be sufficient.

Thanks very much for your advice - all of you. I’ll update after mid-January and let you all know how it went!

[John_Sebastian]

@Newbie777

Thank you mobocaster.

My posted age and chronological age is 37 years. My “looks” age or the way I vibe may cause confusion depending on how my hair is. My impression I left with this lady is probably that I’m in my early to mid twenties just based on how I carried myself. Basically shy and inexperienced.

Other women sometimes mis-identify me as being 20-23 years, especially if I’m bald headed. If my hair is grown, there is a bald-spot and grey on it which would make me look way older.

I like the suggestion about Instant Shine. Not to confuse things, but even as a standalone I think that may make things a bit “lighter” in contrast to my heavier and stiff, stoic personality. I’ve noticed my rapport with women changes with Shine on where I don’t feel as nervy, but more like calm, cool and collected.

In one instance where I used Instant Shine, I even just stood there and smiled at a lady and she smiled back. An interaction like that is very out of character since I’m all seriousness and business. It’s who I am, I don’t even know how to flirt successfully with most women. It’s like I’m a painfully shy nerd that just analyzes everything, freezes up, and then has mental fantasies after the fact. So, obviously, this is probably the most important pheromone I have since I’m just stiff, serious, and very nervy to begin with.

I realize that pheromones is a process of trial and error as you will not know which amounts will go with what and what would have that punch.

I was thinking of buying p96 today as I hear it has been out for a long time, so that TUTH and p96 would probably complement each other. But hopefully my plan to use the pheromones I already own should be sufficient.

Thanks very much for your advice - all of you. I’ll update after mid-January and let you all know how it went!

Hi Newbie,

I would really steer you toward IO or some of the social stuff, maybe MX403 or MX297, and away from the single molecule Experimones. Even though P96 has been around for a long long long long time, it really is geared more toward advanced users, and you’ll probably want a bit more phero experience and success before tapping into it. The instant stuff has been tested and steered and is just right for less experienced wearers.

That said, keep up the good work! Figure out your dosage range, and keep being awesome! Social anxiety is a tough problem in society these days, and overcoming it is one of the main reasons why we are here today. The mission statement they had me sign at the weeee beginning suggested that I am a sentinel in the fight to eradicate loneliness and boredom, which are scourges in modern society! And using pheromones is just one way to do it.

So stand tall, straighten your shoulders, get out there and change the world!

[Newbie777]

@John_Sebastian

Hi Newbie,

I would really steer you toward IO or some of the social stuff, maybe MX403 or MX297, and away from the single molecule Experimones. Even though P96 has been around for a long long long long time, it really is geared more toward advanced users, and you’ll probably want a bit more phero experience and success before tapping into it. The instant stuff has been tested and steered and is just right for less experienced wearers.

Thanks for this advice. I’ve tried IO before, and it does have a calming effect on the nerves, it causes my mental “time” to be more in synch with people around in a group so I’m able to zero into a particular women I might want to talk to rather than feel overwhelmed and confused.

What you’ve suggested about phero experience is also correct. It’s like someone learning to be a PUA. There is no magic lines or solutions for any one particular girl. So, it’s best to test the products for self-effects, then try out different dosages to see how they blend with my own personal and body chemistry. IO would be a great place to start and spray allot of it on whenever I’m going out and see how I synch with other people with it on.

The reason of interest of *96 only happened to be with “self-doubt” and being incongruent. That is, people have to believe a signature is authentically you. I thought p96 would do that. Allot of social anxiety issues arises also from self-doubt or wondering if other people will connect or perceive me as authentic rather than trying to get attention or energy from them from a position of neediness. So, the idea of pairing TUTH and p96 would bring out the reptilian lust out of the woman and myself, yet make it seem natural at the same time, and like I’m not ashamed of it because I’m the man, and the hunter and it’s what guys, in this world, do and find a willing woman who will spread her legs.

The reason of interest in *p75 in small dosages is to deal with the “confidence” issue. For example, I may be hyper-sensitive to alpha-males in the environment and think, why am I never the cool popular guy that has an easy time with women. One of the reason for nerves in group settings is I may look at how women interact with other guys, see who is the most popular guy and then feel too beta, think women are ignoring me but open to other alpha popular guys and withdraw. A dose of *p75 sounds like something that can help, especially with the self-effects that I’ve heard.

The only reason I brought up specific molecules was to target specific “nerves” that I believe are afflicting me in social dynamics. If a molecule’s self-effects can target a specific neuronal pathway, and re-wire it, then it can actually re-invent me. After a few sprays I should be a different person since the new synaptic connections would be made.

@John Sebastian

That said, keep up the good work! Figure out your dosage range, and keep being awesome! Social anxiety is a tough problem in society these days, and overcoming it is one of the main reasons why we are here today. The mission statement they had me sign at the weeee beginning suggested that I am a sentinel in the fight to eradicate loneliness and boredom, which are scourges in modern society! And using pheromones is just one way to do it.

So stand tall, straighten your shoulders, get out there and change the world!

Thanks. I do believe that these products will work and am encouraged by all the reporting that is being made by them. Thanks again for your suggestion on here. It could also be I’m building mental fantasy even on some of the products and how they’ll interact with both myself and other women while skipping the basics so I’ll keep that in mind.

[Casanova]

@Newbie777

My pheromones include:

1. IG, TUTH, Molecule-K, IS, A314, p102, IH, IO, Dial(a1)

In my past use of pheromones, which are very sparingly, I’ve used:

Once androtics had CTTM2 product witch was awesome for breaking the ice and interact with people - even to the extend people not breaking the conversation because they enjoyed it so much.Now this protuct is discontinued but it can be substituted by adding equal ammounts of IO and IH. I mean 50/50 % of each - for example 2 sprays IO and 2 sprays IH on the same spots.Add to that some TUTH and you will have something good enough to get you smoewhere with the girl.But also - interact with her, be kind, amusable and little bit naughty and - VOILA - you may have something or at least it will be a pleasant experience.
Wish you good luck!!!

[Newbie777]

Tried Dial Soap A1, and three sprays of molecule-K (left and right wrist and one accidentally on my face). Didn’t feel in the mood to try anything intense. I just couldn’t do it.

Effect of Molecule-K on self: Nothing I could discern. Probably slightly calming effect on the nerves.

Effect on girl: As compared to the last appointment she was more talkative in terms of revealing some personal tidbits here and there about her life. She referred to me as “sir”. Know this is one of the ingredients to A314. She wants to see me again next month so whatever I wore didn’t throw anything off.

Compared to last appt when there was no pheromones: There was a different type of connection. It was more visually stimulating because of some stretches we did and we almost hugged each other. In this appt, she was more guarded and we just shook hands both before and after the appt. Appt was for 36 min, felt more rushed (i.e. however I got up first so I don’t know if it was from me or what I wore), without anything on it was about an hour.

Interpretation: I think she probably picked up that I had a mental fantasy about her and was more guarded in this interaction. We last saw each other in the beginning of December, and she almost forgot about this appt here as I had to call her and it was rescheduled for today.

From the get-go of the appointment we just shook hands rather than hug each other. It’s best that if I see her again not to wear any pheromones and steer away from having mental fantasies with women, when it’s a business frame, and and focus on meeting the right woman.

To be fair with products I bailed out and used the mildest type of pheromone, Molecule-K, and nobody recommend to use it. Before meeting her, it was like I could only deal with Molecule-K or Instant Gentleman. Anything else just wasn’t me. I’m want to try these products out on my own (i.e. TUTH, or more reactive pheromones for self-effects) first because I’m worried that I may get an adverse reaction before meeting a girl.

Either way, again, it’s all mental fantasy. I may have felt disappointed on some level but since I didn’t feel horny at all and was totally off mood it’s not that big of a deal with me. It’s funny to stack that much expectation into a fitness consultation appointment anyway, so on that level it was worth it for me, lol! Give it to this product for making up a hope like that. I did feel a stronger “friendship” connection using molecule-K – so I’m getting more info about her but less romantic/sexual connection if there was any difference.

What’s interesting is why I defaulted to molecule-K or Instant Gentleman after all the discussion of this thread. I suppose these are milder pheromones.

[KIMBA]

Dosage of Molecule K? A LOT of variables going on here.

To get a woman to seduce you I always need:

High ENone (Single molecule and main component in Ammo, TuTH, Summer Ammo, some MX’s, and its sold as a single here) + P83 ( I Find disinhibition with this and women are willing to seduce you) + TAC (Makes her senses and your electric and allows your touch to set her off easier).

That is for pure sex. If you want to keep her, thats a different story and combination all together. But you need to know what dosage and how to use all these products.

To get her to ask you out? None. You need to do the work. Want her to say yes?

A314 + Ammo + Instant Shine is a high value, sexy, good feeling mix which will greatly improve odds or her saying her and doing as you like.

[Newbie777]

@KIMBA

Dosage of Molecule K? A LOT of variables going on here.

Sure. The TO go bottle is 5 Mcs. I put on three sprays, two on my wrists and one accidentally on my face right in my nose. Possibly up to 15 Mcgs of molecule-K.

What happened there? What is molecule-K supposed to do in your experience?

[KIMBA]

If memory serves me correct a get up and go feel. But I have not played with TAK in ages and don’t have my notes infront of me. Low dose seems better from memory and a steering molecule for sure.