I’ve been using Instant Shine and A314 in different combinations for a couple of weeks now and one of the first and biggest things I’ve noticed are Self-Effects (IS = happy, A314 = “Ican take on the world”)…
I’ve noticed some people say that they feel absolutely no Self-Effects and others are more like me with significant self-effects.
I’m basically wondering if there is any consistent characteristics which cause someone to have more self-effects.
I’m 24, Caucasian with some Canadian native American, Light Build in Decent Shape (5’8", 140 lbs - Yeh I’m a light-weight), A +ve blood type.
I specifically chose products which were quite consistent with my personality type (Happy Go Lucky = IS, Confident Professional Disposition = A314)
Could others post their experiences with self-effects and products?
I have felt very strong sef effects from the first use. Ammo was particularly strong and I felt like you on A314.
Now, after 8 months of moderate using I don’t feel anything at all. Even after, like 2 weeks without any pheros. Self effects are gone forever. Enjoy yours while they last.
Hrmm… thats an interesting thought - I’m very sad if self-effects tend to go away forever because right now they rock… but do effects on others who are frequently exposed to “artificial” pheremones like a LTR tend to go away?
The first time I used Turn Up The Heat I also got an instant headache and felt very competitive and full of energy. The effects died down after about an hour or so.
I’ve used pheromones for a couple months now consistantly, I still experience self-effects. It’s a matter of being consciously aware of them.
I think having a certain amount of training (hypnosis or meditation) or introspection, or perhaps just an innate sensitivity can help you notice self-effects.
To be honest I like oil products better mostly because they aren’t so blatant with self-effects, there isn’t a huge burst initially when you apply them. Putting pheromones on your wrists can slow this down too.
Like others have said, you build a tolerance and the self-medication effects fade or disappear. The biological impact is still there, but your mind quickly learns to filter out the pheromone instructions (like ignoring noise in a crowded city) and you stop reacting. Unfortunately, those nearest to you–family, lovers & close friends–will get used to your phero signature and interactions will subside to business-as-usual. You can partially counteract this problem by rotating pheromone mixes. I use 5 or 6 mixes in a couple weeks. Reactions will never be as intense as the initial ones, but rotations help keep things a littler fresher.
Luckily, an optimized phero signature will always be fresh for strangers and causal acquaintances. For everybody else, you must conduct life the old fashion way: fake it.
What Gegogi said with the added comment that I do not think we as a community have picked up on a pattern where we can predict who will have self-eefects or how intense or for what duration.
Be sure to note Gegogi’s comments on rotating your base mix every so often to keep the pheromone effects “fresh”. You will not need to worry about doing this until you find your sweet spot with your favorite products and begin to use that dosage for a while: ie. You wear 3 drops of A314 to work every day like I do. Every couple of weeks I switch to Instant Gentleman for a week to change things up. You can read more about that the A314 vs. Instant Gentleman thread in my signature block if you are so interested.
People who get used to our pheromone signature, don’t their mind tuned to think we are of this nature. Just like we use A314 all the time and people around us got used to this pheromone signature, don’t their mind tuned to think we are of alpha vibe. How will the effect gone after a while?
Just like people familiar with our natural pheromone signature. I don’t think they mind will filter our natural pheromone even after some time.
I have yet to encounter a situation where people “get used” to pheromones and it doesn’t do something. Granted, I don’t wear the same thing every day but I do wear some amount of androsterone and alpha androstenol every day. At least that’s been my experience after several months use. I don’t wear pheromones every hour of every day, but I wear them alot.
Just keep in mind pheromones are a biological effect and people can’t ignore them. If you are exposed to alpha-androstenol, for instance, it will do something to your brain unless you have some kind of neurological or nasopharyngeal problem. It won’t necessarily alter a person’s behavior, though, much less their beliefs.
If you wear the same pheromones day and after day, you are reinforcing a particular pheromone being assosciated with you and peoples beliefs will change to match your pheromones and behaviors- continued exposure will continue reinforcing those beliefs, but will not necessarily create new beliefs. If you vary the “signature”, you are creating reinforcement of different pheromones being assosciated with you.
I have just started using pheros and have found self effects to be very potent, not so much altering my behavior, but definately nudging it a bit. Has anyone found that they can taste the pheros they are using? I have a feeling like it is on my teeth and lips for a good part of the day. I can still smell the ammo at bed time some 8 to 12 hours later.
This can happen when you spray pheromones…they land everywhere. I don’t know where you sprayed but my guess would be to neck/chest…close to your face. You don’t want to, more or less, directly inhale pheromones when you apply. So try not to sniff the pheromones when you spray them…hold your breath or if ya have to…hold your nose…and I mean this is the nicest way…keep your mouth shut. Maybe even cover your nose and mouth with a tissue if it’s that troublesome. Walk out of the room and wait a minute before removing the tissue so things settle down and you’re not inhaling the..ahem…fumes from the air so much. Hope that helps.
Pheromones taste..feh…blick..to put it politely. Even when applied to skin…you can taste them if you get nibbly on the application points. And they stick, as you’ve noticed…especially androstenone. Also it’s the cologne scent, mostly, that you’re smelling after 8-12 hrs…and there might be some residual none…depending on how much AMMO you sprayed. In case you don’t know…now’s a good time to tell you to keep products containing androstenone out of your hair. Not only does it stick well to skin…it sticks really well to hair. So if you wear none, often, make sure to scrub your application points so as to eliminate build up…which can cause OD upon reapplication of none.
Sorry, guys, didn’t mean to highjack the thread…I was in the neighborhood…just wanted to try to answer the Doc’s question.
it all depends on the individual, just like caffeine some people are almost immune to it, and the effects dimish etc…depends on your brain neurotransmitters and how your brain reacts to it (which is in term determined by a lot of different factors). pheromones affect other people subconciously. so if you get self-effects consider them just a bonus, or curse..
I merely related the experiences I have had these past 5 years. And it’s been extremely consistent. They say familiarity breeds contempt, or at least boredom! Or should I say, the “thrill is gone.” It happens to me as well. I get a new GF, she’s so hot, I make wood 24 hours, I get used to her after a few months and gradually no wood unless she really works it. Hell naked cartwheels won’t faze me. So, yeah, they get comfortable with you and learn you’ll do them no harm.
Think of it another way. Your body tells you you gotta pee. You’re in an important meeting so you hold it for 15 minutes until break. You just voluntarily ignored an urgent biological need. Or, your best friend’s wife is so hot you wanta jump her and bad. However you choose to ignore that extremely urgent biological urge because of learned social behavior (your mama taught you morals). Pheromones are much more subtle and even easier to ignore. Think about all the hot babes you met while wearing pheromones and they totally stiffed you. Now, they received the signal but their social filters kicked in and said “he’s too short, he probably lives with his mama, no future, etc.,” and ignored you. Unlike insects we can make that choice.
Believe me, a few drops of A314 won’t make anybody think you’re alpha a few months later unless you actually have that role in real life. That is, you really are a leader, top dog, bossman or big kahuna.
Thanks Bella for the reply. I usually don’t spray them but spray my fingers and then apply to back of neck. I can smell them in the air and after that I start to taste them. I only use 1 spray of each on fingers and then rub it in separately on the neck / shoulder region. I must add that when I was younger how a woman smelled was a turn on to me, so maybe I react to pheros easily?
I haven’t encountered that feeling but androstenone will hang around usually into the next day if you don’t bathe, and a quick shower will not really remove it. It must have a long “blotter life”, as they call it. It’s fairly clingy, but I don’t think it’s as clingy as sandalwood or agarwood, which can last for days if you don’t wash it off, and ordinary scrubbing won’t really remove them as it seeps into the pores in the skin.
Peroxide will denature pheromones and you can also use a lightweight body oil to penetrate pores in the skin and remove the excess oil with a cotton ball. It’s also a good reason to go easy on androsteNone. I also think androsteRone has a long life but it has no real negatives, unlike androsteNone.
I think you should just spray directly, it’s less wasteful.
Eventually you have to pee and can’t ignore the biological need.
Pheromone can’t control people to do unethical or immoral things.
People don’t have to wait long to tell if you are using pheromone to enhance something which you are in the opposite. But it still enhance.
If you have -5 in one quality and apply phero to enhance it. The enhancement may be +3. Ended up you are still in negative (-2) but the quality is enhanced.
Many users in this forum encourage a handicapped new user to use pheromone to enhance attractiveness.
Its true. Pheromone is only helping you but largely still depending on yourself. You don’t use pheromone to change yourself to another person, just to enhance attractiveness, social ability and so on.
I was actually wondering why you say the effect of pheromone to familiar people may be reduced over time.
It is proven from your experience in your 5 years of using pheromones. I have only used pheromones for a few months. I don’t use the same pheromones everyday. Need some time to see whether I experience the same.
Maybe even cover your nose and mouth with a tissue if it’s that troublesome. Walk out of the room and wait a minute before removing the tissue so things settle down and you’re not inhaling the..ahem…fumes from the air so much. Hope that helps.
Even when applied to skin…you can taste them if you get nibbly on the application points. And they stick, as you’ve noticed…especially androstenone. Also it’s the cologne scent, mostly, that you’re smelling after 8-12 hrs…and there might be some residual none…depending on how much AMMO you sprayed. In case you don’t know…now’s a good time to tell you to keep products containing androstenone out of your hair. Not only does it stick well to skin…it sticks really well to hair. So if you wear none, often, make sure to scrub your application points so as to eliminate build up…which can cause OD upon reapplication of none.