This mix is fantastic. Ammo and TAF is a great combination. Both the well buffered anone in Ammo and TAF make me more confident but in quite different ways. The combination of the two is perfect and it makes me feel unstoppable. Apparently it shows. The amount of IOI’s I got was unbelievable. I was driving, and ended up going back to a girls house who was only just a friend before. This mix will get you laid.
I LOVE TAF! I find I don’t need a lot of it to make a difference, either. I’ve used the Meo-Est, TAC combo for quite a while and I totally agree that it is amazingly consistant in the results. 
Wildflower what was the dosage of p78 were you testing?
I see around the forum that alot of members recommend wearing 86/83 in a 4:1 ratio respectively.
Your mix goes against that. Do you find it more effective this way? Also I just picked up 83, would you say that 86 is something I should definitely get to pair it with? I have reward points that I was going to save for ammo when it gets back, but I see so many great things with 83/86 I might just use it for 86. Could I pair it with something I own already to get a similiar result you get with your mix? I know its different for everyone, but I want to see someone with more experience’s opinion
Sorry for all the questions lol. Really like your journal btw
This is just a personal opinion, a 4:1 ratio does not make alot sense to me. That is…in my phero world. My sweet spot for p86 seems to be btwn 30-40 mcgs. My results do not change with a higher mcg. Which, by that ratio, means I should wear around 10mcgs of P83. While testing P83 alone, 10 mcgs got me 0 results. Actually, 30 mcgs alone got me little results. Pair 30mcgs with a little, or alot of -none, it is phero magic. Using 60mcgs w/-none and socials and its like " Instant Virgin Syndrome." What does that mean…clingy, crushy.
Again,…a personal opinion, P86 seems to be maverick to me. It seems to do its own thing. I have compared P86 to an old Sesame Street skit. There were 4 blocks on the tv and 3 people in those boxes were doing the same thing. But in 1 box, that person was doing its own thing. Thats P86 to me. In other words, p86 screams “everything is beautiful” while the rest of your mix sends its own message.
Does that make any sense? I just dont know how else to describe it.
I just cant imagine wearing 120mcgs of P86, and 30mcgs of P83 as that ratio suggests. Then again, i dont know what other molecules the 2 were paired with.
That makes great sense.I really thought that the ratio seemed weird. And the effects you describe seem like it is something I would like to use. I just might spend my points on 86 over ammo.
As far as spending your award points, there is no telling when Ammo will be back. If P86 runs out, there is no telling when it will be back. Grab what you can while you can.
But, dont go to the store quite yet. WildFlower may have a very different take on this P86/P83 thing.
Right, exactly why I went ahead and ordered it. I know they pair well together, and his mixes have it 1:1 and Wildflower can only add to what you already said
I have a 7.5mcg bottle. one spray is good, two is even better, but three is where it’s really at. I tested four sprays several times and it was fine just not as good as three sprays - I never bothered testing higher than that. So 22.5mcg of p78 is my preference, but it’s good even at 7.5mcg’s +
I agree with Jesse on this, a 1:1 ratio is what works best for me. My sweet spot for p86 is pretty static - always around 30-40mcg with whatever I pair it with. p83 I can wear anywhere from 20mcg-50mcg, depending on the mix. In some mixes even 25mcg starts to overpower the other components, where as in a low component mix like the one I mentioned, I can get away with 40mcg comfortably and it doesn’t overpower.
p86 and p83, for whatever reason, are incredibly synergistic. As are Ammo and TAF. It’s a really simple, but effective mix, which gets me quite potent results.
Definitely glad I picked it up now Too bad its coming the day after I move in to school so I’ll have to wait till the weekend to come pick it up.
I haven’t used p75 in a month or two so decided to dig it out. I’ve worn it the past two days to work, where I’d normally wear 1 drop of A314. Both times I’ve worn it at 2.5mcg. I felt totally content and in the now, yet at the same time I felt overwhelming anticipation for nothing in particular. Not a desire to be in a different future moment (such desires which usually occur out of boredom), but an anticipation of something that was going to come and join me in the present. It was a very pleasant, but mild buzz. A lot like what I sometimes get from A314 if I haven’t worn it for a while. I’ve been very busy at work this week and p75 has definitely helped me remain calm and in control throughout the past two days. Dealt with everything with out ever feeling like loosing my cool.
I can see why some may find that p75 brings out confidence in themselves. p75 doesn’t change me in anyway, but it definitely reassure’s and reaffirms me. It’s worked hand in glove for me the past two days, I will definitely be wearing more of it again tomorrow at work. A very organic social molecule, with a positive masculine reassurance that every decision you make will be the right decision. It seems to have the same empathy magnifying effects that rone does too.
Steve’s A2 thread really wet my appetite for two reasons. Firstly, because it seems there is a revised, A1 less Instant Female Magic on the horizon and secondly, because Dancing Joker is the man behind it. I was really sore I never got the chance to test MX329, and likewise, I’ve always wanted to try the most sought after molecule p96, but I’ve narrowly missed out on ordering it twice now. I find Dancing Jokers journal one of the most informative pheromone references there is - I must’ve read it at least twice over. It’s no secret the guy loves p96 (hence why I want to try it so much). This post by Jasmin makes me think the release of A2 may be coming some time soon, either way it looks like I’ll be able to finally test p96 is some shape or form.
MX337
This mix seems to have slipped under the radar of the masses, other than the few wise ones who spotted it early on and reported (Catlord, Snoopy and Reclipse).
Funny coincidence how we all seem to, unrelatedly, wear the same mixes together at the same time. Having tried MX337 once or twice when I first received it, it was left to gather dust for a few months till last week I took it out and gave it a go at work (not the best test ground), I was impressed with the mix and came home that night only to see a report from K-train who was even more impressed with it than I was. This inspired me to give it a go at the weekend and I am very glad I did.
From my first few tests I found the mix to be nice and calming, but otherwise quite innocuous. Minor mood boosting self effects in that it seemed to iron out a few creases emotionally speaking - made me chilled out TAC/MEO-EST style. And my first two tests were basically self effects tests so not many other conclusions drawn from them.
Saturday night came and I wore 3 sprays of MX337 with 2 sprays of MX297 (which I know well), and having not spotted the conversation increasing effects from the mix before, I can now say, following Saturday night, that I echo Ktrain and Snoopys comments that this really does increase conversation flow and rapport connection. How did I not notice this before?
I’d be very surprised if there wasn’t any MEO-EST and a little bit of p86 in it because I get the relaxing, pleasantly sedating feel from the mix as I do from MEO-EST, and some of the physical beautifying and the personality likeability effects from p86. Other than that I have no idea what could be in it. I detect absolutely none of the nuances I get from Alpha Androstenol or Beta Androstenol yet there is a distinctive increase in the flow of conversation, feeling of connection and perceived likeability. It was everything from light-hearted effortless chit chat to deep secret, insecurity revealing. I suspect there is a social molecule in here that I haven’t used before.
I was blown away by these social effects. How could I not have seem them previously? Granted, I had been wearing it mostly in my own company to gauge self effects but even still it let me thinking it was a subtle mix. Subtle? Yes, it is very natural and un-fake feeling mix, but the effects aren’t subtle. I think it’s because it feels lacking in Alpha or Beta Androstenol, yet is still social - a different kind of social. I thought this must be the placebo effect I was getting - either that or the stars were aligned as they occasionally are. I was chat, chat, chatting away to everyone and anyone. Anyway, I wore the mix again (solo this time - 2 sprays) on the Sunday and I got exactly the same effects. No placebo then, note to self: wear a new mix in the company of others before putting it away in a draw for several months.
Everyone I met (and I interacted with a hell of a lot of people just going with the flow of the mix) responded noticeably much more positively towards me than they usually would to me, or anyone else for that matter, it has that ‘special’, je ne sais quois quality that so many pheromone mixes have. It was very likeable, promoted a lot of conversation, created a palpable feeling of trust, interest, connection and rapport. Made everyone around it just as talkative back towards me as I was towards them, and made me feel just as ‘connected’, and in rapport with others as they did with me - the likeability worked both ways. The thing I like about this mix is that you could wear it to a job interviews, business meetings are you could wear it out at bars, clubs or parties - which ever way you want to flex with it. It’s very natural, and flexible - hence the subtle/ not subtleness. Sounds like a contradiction, but think A314.
Maybe a little premature, but I’m already totally hooked on MX337. I hope it comes back - it would be sad for a mix like this not to disapear forever due to lack of reports/hype. I love the over the top socials like MX136, MX138 and p78 all very, very likeable and charismatic but not in the same way like MX337 is. They are flamboyant, giddy social mixes where as MX337 is super organic, natural and therefore very flexible. I love MX337, who wouldn’t want to be just 3 sprays away from instant likeability?
p79
p79 isn’t a pheromone I got to test blind. I bought it on the back of reading a lot of reports saying it was an intensifier. Unfortunately I accidentally bought it unscented which meant it was less practical for me to use on a whim, so didn’t test it at first to the extent I’d planned on. I’ve been using it more and more recently, and these are my thoughts so far:
There is definitely some merit in p79 working as an intensifier of other molecules. 10-15mcg’s in a mix is enough to see that effect, and the effect can be quite obvious. It doesn’t seem to amplify all molecules equally though. It is molecules like TAA and Alpha Androstenol which benefit the most from p79. I think that is the case because p79 is inherently light hearted and playful itself but at a low dose that isn’t so apparent.
I don’t think so much that p79 actually intensifies the feelings people get from other pheromones. The stronger reaction from others is probably due to a more comprehensive statement made by your signature.
I find p79 has all the same quirks and nuances Alpha Androstenol has, with out the extra chattiness. It just feels the same to me. I get the same light, gentle, breezy, feather-blowing-in-the-wind, feeling from it like I do from Alpha Androstenol.
Is it sexual? I’m still trying to figure that one out. there is definitely an element of attraction there. I don’t think people find it arousing but it is certainly suggestive.
It’s quite an oddball of a pheromone, bit of a cameleon. Elusive and confusing because it is multifaceted. I’m liking it a lot at the moment.
p93
This is another pheromone I never really used a lot at first. Anything more than 20mcg totally spaces me out and makes me tired. My sweet spot for this pheromone seems low compared to doses other people use. My sweet spot is 15mcgs, so luckily I can wear it without feeling like I need to take a nap.
I haven’t experienced people perceiving me as gay when wearing p93, but doses above 15mcg for me are counter-productive. The positive effects just seem to gradually shut down the higher I go. It isn’t an overdose, just the best effects from p93 are inversely-proportional to the amount of it you wear. No negative effects from it, just the positive effects are stifled. I can’t say why - I don’t know what I’m communicating to people when I wear high p93.
The positive reactions I get from p93 are: comfort, friendliness, increased depth to existing attraction, more prominence in a group and greater - perceived - weight behind my words and actions (I don’t mean people take everything I say seriously, I’m just listened to more and people really take in everything I say and do)
A comment I received when wearing p93 from a new female friend who I know is attracted to me (heard so on the grapevine): “Before we go and meet back up with everyone, I just wanted to say I’m really glad I met you because we have the same kind of humour”, this type of comment is typical when wearing p93. I was wearing it in conjunction with p79,Ammo and TAF (see below) but it was the closeness effect of p93 that 1. made her feel more intensely the things we have in common, and 2. made her feel comfortable enough to just say it out of the blue.
Another effect I’ve seen several times now with p93 is the ‘ownership’ element to it. This is why I mentioned it adds depth to existing attraction. Wearing Ammo you’re seen as a really attractive, sexy, guy. What Ammo doesn’t do is make people want to instantly make you their boyfriend and take you home to meet the parents. With p93 I find people will tend to want to own you and have you all to themselves. Probably because (presuming the attraction is there) of the ‘I have so much in common with this guy’ effect. It has the ‘boyfriend’ effect. My best friend commented that one girl has got it really bad for me because she kept asking him where I was, where I had gone, how long will I be gone, etc. I think this happened because p93 can turn the perception of you from ‘just an attractive guy’ to ‘a real catch I don’t want to miss out on’.
p79, p93 and TAF
For whatever reason I decided to wear this mix. 30mcg of p79, 15mcg of p93 and 15mcg of TAF. It totally surprised me. My first hit came when I was just minding my own business with two friends and a cougar came over (mid 30’s) and said to me “your jumper is sexy”, my friend says “its just a plain, normal jumper”, she says “it’s sexy though, isn’t he sexy.” I’m thinking wow were did that come from, I’m not wearing any Androstenone. The rest of the night hits and IOI’s came flying in. I got a lot of suggestive eye contact looks from afar. From testing p79 solo I saw a lot of these far away hits either as a result of p79 being one of the most diffusive molecules, or it was altering my body language.
I was really surprised at the blatant hits without Androstenone. Chalked it up that it was just a good, lucky night and the pheromones had little to do with it, that was unless I could repeat it. And so I did. The mix worked consistently really well for me. When applying the mix one day, as luck would have it I noticed that my bottle of p79 is 10mcg per spray and my bottle of p93 is 5mcg per spray. Perfect. A ratio of 2:1 just like my sweet spots 30mcg:15mcg. I had found a way to wear p79 with a scent. I dug out a empty togo and made a composite of half p79, half p93. Now I have a nice little, game scented mix of p79 and p93 dosed perfectly so after several sprays I reach my sweet spot for both.
I wore this a few times, but thought I had maybe got the dosage of each wrong as I was getting hits but nowhere near the same as what I was previously. I tried wearing the mix plus the original 15mcg of TAF and the hits returned to normal. TAF is crucial in the mix, I don’t know why but it is.
Ammo, p79, p93 and TAF
The beauty of Ammo is that it goes with almost everything, it never suffers from watering down, or the message becoming to murky and vague. It’s a great standalone, but works well with so many different pheromones, either the consumers or putatives: A314, Instant Honesty, Instant Shine, Instant Openness, CTTM, Instant Female Magic, to name just a handful at random. normally my approach to testing is to test a putative, MX, or whatever solo first then when I get an idea of how it behaves I pair it with Ammo. Naturally after playing - and having a lot of success - with the little p79, p93, TAF composite I decided to pair it with some Ammo and got great hits.
2 sprays of Ammo, 30mcg of p79, 15mcg of p93 and 15mcg of TAF. This mix isn’t an MX292 type pherobomb mix. That wasn’t what I was searching for. We have so many great, sexual products available as well as many great social mixes. I wanted something to just maintain sexual attraction, without being too arousing or too sexual and so far this mix has been really great for me, it isn’t perfection though so I’m open to all input from anyone. Not a first date type mix, but good for once you’ve got to know someone and just want an attractive mix for an occasion like shopping, at a coffee shop, cinema or a quiet night in, that kind of thing. When I was in my previous relationship and seeing a girl several times a week, I had to be on my toes with what mix to wear. Sexual all the time can be overbearing/overwhelming and whilst socials can be very, very attractive in there own right, they are rarely ‘irresistible’. I didn’t want something to start a spark, I just wanted something to maintain that spark in betweens meet ups when I would wear a great sexual mix. The next time I’m in a relationship I know I’ll be using this mix quite a bit. p93 is great for strengthening connection and attraction, the other pheromones support that and make for a nice little rounded mix. Anyone else tried this or something similar? I’m interested in hearing other peoples thoughts on this mix and the individual molecules themselves.
wow, the best piece of writing I’ve seen on pheromones in a long, long time. I’ve experienced both of these scenarios so many times, I’ve just not been able to conceptualise it so well. It helps to explain the unpredictability I experience from a mix like MX292, yet the consistency I get from a mix like Ammo. From my experience it does seem that the stronger the reaction, the less broadly appealing the mix is you’re wearing.
My style of pheromone use has certainly evolved to reflect this. A year back I used to gauge pheromone effects by the extremity and abnormality of reactions. I now don’t want freakishly, Hollywood-over-the-top, abnormal reactions. Helpful as they where at first to start a catalyst of self belief and provide the evidence of what I and pheromones can achieve, I found I would much rather wear the less overly-arousing mixes and appeal to a much larger portion of females. I just had to keep my eyes peeled a little more as a trade of.
Naturally, the mixes which don’t overwhelm produce more subtle, natural effects from people. Rather than have the odd girl (there’s typically 1-4 girls per night club responsive at that particular moment in time to high-anone mixes like MX292) literally become very sexually aggressive and forward with me, I would find subtle signs people where feeling my mix like some nice eye contact and a smile, some proximity, some people will even show no obvious signs that the pheromones are effecting them what-so-ever, yet I am often left with a gut feeling. I’m not under the placebo effect when I get a hunch, rather I believe my subconscious is picking up on cues I’m consciously missing. Anyone else get this? I’d really like other peoples opinion on ‘hunch-hits’.
I’ve never been a huge drinker, but when I went out on the weekend I would drink a bit and get tipsy. Recently I’ve been going out sober and what a difference just a few drinks has on your ability to miss so many signs.
EDIT: and by the way, I still love MX292 and the like, those mixes certainly do have a place in anyone’s collection.
Just placed a new order:
Ammo - can’t wait to try out the new scent, and if it makes a difference, for better or worse, to the effectiveness of the pheromones in it (I noticed no difference when Ammo went from it original scent to Game)
p97 - Been waiting a while for this one to come back in stock. Snoopy had me sold after reading just one report on it. Can’t wait to try this one.
p102 - Can’t wait to try this one for an undisclosed reason.
Neroli perfumers alcohol - ahhhh I can finally start wearing A1 again.
Akuto perfumers alcohol - I can wear Akuto scented A1 for the first time. Or Akuto solo as a cologne.
I love Androtics
360 registered users in the store when I was, that’s triple what I remember it being just a few months ago. Way to go.
Hunch-hits are quite fun because I have to analyze regular hits vs hunches and evaluate how uncommon what is happening either based on seeing the person’s behavior time and time again OR just by gauging body language as a regularity or anomaly.
I think you should PM me some personal experiences of hunches as an example so I can possibly pick my brain for some myself.
Please do a report on P102 if you do see anything worthy about it. I’m having a bit of a dilemma lately and I was hoping that P102 could possibly help the burden somewhat. My curiosity with this molecule has nothing to do with regular social/ sexual implications and you shedding some light on this one will be very helpful to me.
Just a quick note:
3 sprays of MX203 and 2.5mcgs of p75 is a really great mix for me. Much better than MX203 alone. I think this is the first time I’ve seen any real benefit from p75 in a mix - solo it’s been great for me, but in mixes generally lackluster (not negative, just neutral and a bit bland). MX203 is a really happy positive mix, sometimes at the expense of masculinity. I think p75 really addresses this and adds a bit of muscle to the mix without taking anything at all away from it. It’s MX203 with a back bone. Nice.
That was a great idea! I have some MX353 left as well as a bit of P75 at 2.5mcg) so I think I’ll have to give that a try sometime.