Just doing some looking about and this molecule sounded interesting - are any of the putatives based on it? Or is this one of those patented molecules that Androtics can’t produce?
androstanone that is
Old hat. We’ve produced everything you can find out there, and we only the best chemists and US produced source materials. Our main chemist produced all of the hormones and pheromones used in the most successful academic studies for almost the past 40 years. He’s the recognized expert in the field, and his work far outstrips even that of Sigma-Aldrich who has used his work as chemical “standards” against which to measure their own.
If you’ve heard this molecule name from who I think you did, then please consider the source. A convicted felon, who’s also possibly involved in the botnet attack against this website according to an FBI Computer Crimes Division investigation last summer, is not exactly the most straight & narrow type of person. They don’t necessarily give you what it says on the bottle. Such people certainly don’t innovate.
Ayn Rand’s, Nathaniel Brandon’s, and even Robert Ringer’s stomaches would turn at an individual like this. Besides Pherlure and Pheromone Advantage, they’re as “black hat” in their behavior as you can possibly be.
They also have the honor of being the only person who’s likeness, and mention of any products from which they could possibly profit (including any companies they supply), have been completely and utterly banned from both Love Scent and here for being over the top psychotic in their behavior. We’re not going to support a criminal. Bad karma.
For better leads on new and interesting chemicals, check out PubMed, which has abstracts of all medical studies done since the 60s. A rich source of information on pheromones and other hormone related compounds. (remember, pheromones are basically exogenous hormones – “waste compounds” of hormone metabolism which now serve a second life as chemical messengers)
PubMed:
Google Scholar:
James Vaughn Kole:
http://www.pheromones.com
So you’ve produced and tested this molecule and found it wasn’t terribly effective then?
Oh and the interest actually came from an earlier post in this forum (long before I ever came here… I was trolling about and noticed it)
I can’t comment on anything in the P series.
We do have quite a few variations of the -none molecules, though.
…alas
I was really only interested from what Geogogi had said about it adding some kick to regular 'none - I guess your cryptic response indicates that it might be a P series molecule but you aren’t at liberty to say which or even if it actually is?
Oh, Geggogi. Gegoggi is fine. He’s very perceptive, and a generally good source. He’s not the nutcase I was referring to. 
Keep in mind, though, you have to look at your source’s source. That may indeed by the source I was referring to.
That’s why Gegoggi probably also doesn’t have real androstanone, but instead what some unscrupulous individual chose to sell him labeled as androstanone. The only person selling any compound labeled as “androstanone” to the general public does not sell properly labeled compounds.
From what I remember of Gegoggi’s descriptions, what was actually in his bottle may have been a relabeled mixture containing things like estratetraenol or alphanol.
I can tell you that it is part of the P series. I already told you it’s been tested above, which means by default that’s been part of the P series.
But I can’t tell you which P it is.
All I can say is that whatever works well ends up being popular sooner or later.
We have to “blind test” for a reason. People assume a lot about structures and names, that aren’t necessarily true.
It’s interesting to give people something that you might think would be strong and overpowering like it’s similarly structured cousins, and it ends up being as light as lily. Or just a dud.
Cost to synthesize or cost to buy is another big factor that skews results.
Cost to synthesize might cause us to believe that one molecule is superior to another, which is why we keep most of our organization blind. I’m often not even privy to the information until 6 months or more after a series is released.
Cost to buy would equally cause the end customer to form unfair, unrelated preferences. That’s why we standardize the prices of the test series, so it’s price neutral.
You really have to look at what each molecule does or doesn’t do, minus as many effect factors as possible. Even the #s of the P series bring along their own psychological affect. That’s why we skipped things like P13 and P113.
As another example, even something like P77 might be unfairly preferred over something like P85, however, just because of the numbers involved.
Far more people like 7s than they do 8s or 5s. People unfairly associate positives and minuses due to factors like these. That’s why there’s the concept of “lucky numbers” and unlucky. Our initial public series was all letters to help avoid this (TAB, TAL, etc.), but people have letter preferences, too.
Everything has some sort of psychological association and related affect, which is what makes any sort of psychological testing not the easiest thing to do. Testing is all about cutting down on the number of variables, but there’s a whole heck of a lot of variables to the human psyche that can’t be compartmentalized and controlled so easily.
Trying to avoid unjust associations is like trying to avoid air, but we have to try our best, anyway. (and before you look at me crazy for telling everyone to avoid air or breathing, just think of the terms of the idea of “testing in a vacuum”)
Because we can’t test in a psychological vacuum, we try to acknowledge and take into consideration as many psychological factors as we can identify when interpreting data. There’s a lot of interdependencies and factors to consider. We’re also careful to use controls and other means of cleaning out bad data.
I can’t wait for “P-666”.
Hahaha! 
Nice save Jasmin … lol.
J/K - a lot of us know of whom you speak - “he whose name may not be mentioned”.
Thanks for the info - Good to know
I bought my androstanone some years ago from LS. It is claimed to have been produced in Japan and not by the above mentioned crazy MR H! My bottle is long dry and I haven’t replaced it as the LS version is expensive and it wasn’t essential for me.
ROFL That was to funny. ((((Gegogi))))) I am glad no one thinks your a nut case 
He who shall not be mentioned lol…I hope that at least for the time being Voldemort has not returned, although there are clear signs that his presence is getting more obvious, one of these being AD. As long as we’re on the subject, liquid trust is not in any way related to him right? I always have the doubt about oxytocin products since I know they were popular in the dark pheromone arts lol practiced by this infamous character.
Nope LT ain’t from the infamous MR H, but it didn’t do jack for me.
Well, I’m not really a nutcase but have been known to fall off the fence a few times…
Haha I didn’t mean you Gegogi I actually enjoy reading a lot of your posts even though I have nowhere near your tolerance for -none (in my beginning stages people tried to fight me about 6 times in a two week span before I understood my ammo dosage was much more than I needed). IT didn’t do much for me either except buffer instant jerk a bit.