I should be seeing “R” again tonight. We will be alone for the first time in a few weeks. I want to try one of the social pheromones with Ammo. I have tried IShine 2x on its own at work, but only one spray. Since I know “R” well and we can laugh together easily, I want to believe that I could benefit more from IH or IO than from IShine. What do you guys think and how many sprays should I experiment with on a first trial in combination with one or two sprays of Ammo?
I’m really tempted to see what TUTH would do, but I don’t want to damage the situation and scare her away. Knowing that there has been a history of strong attraction, I can’t help but wonder if introducing a little TUTH would actually result in changing the dynamic of our friendship toward what I really want, which is a long term relationship. It seems that it would be a risky play. Perhaps finding out where she stands with some IO or IH before using some TUTH would be in my best interest? I’m just thinking out loud here. I’ve done a great deal of reading on the forum tonight and the ideas are bouncing around upstairs.
Have you test the Ammo solo to see what the best dose is around her?
Any additional IO might not be good around her. What I would do is maybe try to scale the Ammo back 1 spray and try 1/2 spray of TUTH because the rest of the stuff in the Ammo should help buffer the direct sexual element in the TUTH and it make it more useable. This will bring a more sexual element without being overbearing. Then I would try a very small amount of the IH. With TUTH there is a molecule in it that will amplify the rest of your mix and it can be tricky to dial in a mix, but if you use the 1/2 spray it should be ok. She already knows you very well so doing this should not be a problem as she is more comfortable around you.
I would wear the IH on your wrists or back of hands to hit her more with this one as it will lead and set the stage for the Ammo/TUTH setup.
Awesome information. This is the kind of stuff that makes me excited to experiment. Thank you!
I have only used Ammo around her one time. That was a tough experiment to draw any conclusions from. It was at a bar, it was her birthday, and her attention was all over the place that night. That was the night that her very attractive friend locked onto me for a couple of hours. I used 1.5 sprays of Ammo that night, but I don’t have any baseline for use around her as I wasn’t able to really gather much that night.
I’m considering trying a couple of the putative pheromones, specifically P83 and P96. I do need some advice with the options, specifically the bottle size and dosage. I bought my kit in stealth, so I’m also curious if I should purchase any putative pheromones in stealth.
Hi Y2, most of my spray & oil mones are stealth as well but I prefer the 6% Neroli for the p83 & p96, adds a nice mild covering scent IME. Just be aware that the p83 is a potent dis- inhibitor (I purchase the 30ML bottle @ 25mcg/spray) & usually shoot 2 sprays, one to neck & one to hair. This 50mcg dose REALLY loosens the ladies up & gets them to talking about what’s really on their minds, you’ll be surprised at what might come out of your target’s mouth; of course you’ll need to gently steer the convo in the general direction that you want it to go & then just let your suggestive words & your mones percolate in her revved-up psyche!
I wouldn’t be afraid to wear at least one spray of AMMO if you add the p83 to the mix since it takes the AMMO to a very fun level, especially with 2 sprays of IS swirled into the madness 
Just relax, have fun & ENJOY pushing her boundaries…I think she’s waiting for that very thing my friend!
Ron, my friend, your knowledge is very much appreciated and I can always use the encouragement. Thank you for stopping by my journal. I’m anxious to try this out with my target.
Try 2 sprays of AMMO with 2 sprays of IShine around her. Use the TUTH as a closer. You know, whenever you see that she’s responding well to your flirtings. But let the TUTH work alone and don’t act on it. Give her some of your mystery. TUTH will tell her that you are very much ready to end the night with a bang, but you have to make sure that what she’ll see is you being the flirty, sexy guy not taking any advantage of the moment. In a way, you must let her decide how will she respond to TUTH’s vibe. 
I’m subscribing by the way. Cool journal.
Thank you for subscribing, Dee. I’m all in on the pheromones, so I plan to do much more experimenting.
I cannot for the life of me figure out where my target’s hit zone is. Tonight I tried two sprays of Ammo and three of IH 2x. I tried the IH on the side of the table that she was sitting, sprayed before she arrived, to see if I could get an environmental effect. I also did this to keep it away from myself. The two of us studied and have plans to do so again tomorrow, and while she was laughing and plenty chatty tonight, I did notice any effects that were out of the ordinary for her. I had sprayed the IH before I read your message, so I didn’t want to throw the IShine in on top of the Ammo on myself and IH on the table.
I’m kind of miffed here. I know I can get a hit from this girl, but trying to tweak and steer is proving more difficult than I anticipated. The good news is that she’s enjoying her time around me and wants to “study” (more hanging out than actual studying) with me again tomorrow. The bad news is that so far my efforts haven’t produced any hits… yet.
The two sprays of Ammo didn’t cause any DITH reaction, so that’s a positive. I know that the IH won’t be as effective on the table as on myself and I didn’t seem to get much out of it tonight. She’s pretty open with me anyway. My hope was to get to the bottom of her feelings/interest level once and for all while also keeping that stuff a good distance from me so that I didn’t get too loose and say something potentially damaging to my efforts. My target did spend a great deal of time tonight bashing my ex-girlfriend. That was interesting. As a reminder, she’s 21.
So, that’s where I’m at. I believe I’m going to need a little help solving this one. I need to steer this in the direction of more flirty/touchy and build some sexual energy. I’ve got until tomorrow night to figure out what I’m going to try next.
One thing I feel I should mention, the most obvious hit that I received was from my target’s engaged friend and her mom. I wore two sprays of Ammo over some American Eagle body spray on my neck. Since, I’ve used the Ammo on a scented lotion that I applied before spraying. Could it be that I’m not getting proper diffusing with the lotion? It’s a men’s product with a cologne-like scent. I can certainly smell it when I use it and the scent lingers for a good amount of time. I’ve been using it because my interactions with my target have been in situations where a body spray or cologne would not be appropriate.
Sorry it took so long for me to catch this post. I have P83 and have not properly tested on it so I can not comment on that one yet and looks like it is covered for you so I will cover the P96.
P96 is a must have I think especially with anything with Erone or Enone and goes very well with Ammo, TUTH, IJ, and A314. The lowest dose I would use is 7.5MCG and at the lower end of the scale under 15MCG it is more beautifying and it will help with attraction. Higher doses like 30MCG and above it is more a straight emotional connection. What I would do is look somewhere in the 7.5-10MCG a spray is what I would look at. I would get in the Stealth and the reason is you can adjust the dose without having to worry about the scent. This way you can easily use this one for whatever end of the scale you like. For me a typical dose is 15-30MCG. In mixes I tend to use the lower end of the scale at 15MCG total. I have reported on this molecule and a few times and it is in more journal if interested.
I sure hope this helps you out.
Sorry for the late response. 
I will recommend a combo of 2 AMMO on your neck + 2 IShine on your hair + 1 IH on your wrist. Wave your wrist near her whenever you are talking, bow your head or make a head movement in such a way that she sniffs the shine, and let the AMMO hit her more if she decides to get closer to your neck.
I will also recommend testing your IH solo first before the next “study session”. Spray it on and go interact with another target and observe how it will affect you and your target, and then consciously try to control your mouth from spilling the beans, if you noticed that the occasional spill is happening.
Regarding experimones/putatives, I can only say that those two you are eyeing will certainly help you. But since I am a moderator here, and those are not covered by guarantees, I am prohibited from commenting further. We certainly don’t want to paint a picture of us pushing every enthusiast into purchasing items not covered by the guarantees.
If you can research a nice puzzle/problem-solving tricks that you can use as an icebreaker, do it too. puzzles are cool way of inching closer to her too.
That is helpful. Thank you.
I’m a curious guy. I’m also a guy looking for any edge that I can get. I’ve spent a great deal of time browsing and reading the forums here since I joined, so I’ve grown curious of some of the mixes and putatives. I’m still in the trial and error stage, but also looking at building some fallout mixes and seeing where I can go with this.
Thank you for the insight and for stopping by, Dee.
I suffer a bit from foot in mouth disease, so I’ve been very cautious with experimenting with IH. My mouth gets me in trouble enough without it.
I will certainly take your advice and see what I can do with it.
I experimented a little today at work. I work with a lot of attractive girls, so it’s been a great place to test products and play with dosages. Today, I used two sprays of Ammo, one on each side of my neck, and a spray of IShine to the middle of my neck.
I worked with two 19-year olds and a 22-year old. All three are attractive girls, particularly the two younger ones. All three were very friendly with me throughout the morning. One of the 19-year olds, I’ll refer to her as “V”, was particularly engaging with me today. She seemed to want to be near me as often as she could. I received some kino from her. She was playfully poking me in the backside after accusing me of intentionally standing in a way that caused her to brush her hand across me. I’m interested in seeing where I can steer this or what additional effects I can get from her.
The other 19-year old, we’ll call her “T”, was the most fun of my interactions today. Right away, this girl responded with a little kino. I was not around her as much as “V” because we work in different areas, but each time that I came to her area her eyes followed me and she would flash me a smile. She is a very recent hire, mind you, and our interactions have been limited as well as brief. We most certainly aren’t at a point where physical contact would be normally be appropriate, however, she seemed quite comfortable in touching me today. I’m going to have a lot of fun seeing where I can steer this one.
Lastly, the 22-year old was very friendly with me. She’s always friendly, but today she seemed very eager to talk to me.
All three have boyfriends, but I’m only looking for reactions at this point. I’m particularly interested in seeing how much I can escalate the hits that I received from “V” and “T” the next time that I work with them. I would say that having “T” lock her eyes on me and follow me around the room and flash a smile at me every time we made eye contact might be my favorite hit that I’ve received thus far. It was as if I could hear her asking herself in her head, “Who is this guy?”
I began using A314 recently and wanted to report on it. Today at work I used one spray of A314 to the middle of my neck. I reapplied one spray after showering and going back out later in the evening along with two sprays of Ammo, one to each side of my neck. I will report on that in this post as well.
Both times that I’ve used A314, I have felt very positive and at ease. I have also been treated positively by everyone that I’ve come in contact with. It truly is the respect pheromone. In every interaction that I’ve had, people treat me with respect. I often feel like I am viewed as if I were someone important or someone that everybody wants to talk to, as if they’re seeking my approval. “T” was, again, very touchy with me today at work and made eye contact several times just to smile. No words. She has seems to take notice of both the Ammo and A314 when I wore both separately. I get a sense of “notice me” from her when I’m around her at work.
A314 seems to combine well with Ammo for me. I have been getting a lot of “who is this guy” looks with two sprays of Ammo. The A314 gives me the respect vibe that makes interaction with women a little easier. I’ve never had any trouble talking to anybody, but when I use A314 I don’t feel hesitation or second guess-y. I feel smooth, confident, and approachable.
A314 has become a quick favorite of mine. I read where it has fallout potential, so I’ll see where I can take it with some of the usual targets that I’ve been wearing it around. I would like to purchase p83 soon to add to it and see what happens.
I’m back!
After a month long absence, I will finally be experimenting again. Study sessions with “R” are back on, so expect many more updates.
This is my first “live” update. Yes, I am talking to her and giving her plenty of attention. Tonight, I am wearing two sprays of Ammo, two sprays of A314, and two sprays of newly purchased p83.
“R” is seated in close proximity to me. She is in the seat adjacent to me at a small table. She has been friendly tonight and very talkative, but I have not noticed any other changes in her behavior. She has dark eyes and I am unable to notice her pupils being dilated in this light. I have forgotten to pay closer attention to the IOIs in past trials, so I will be making a conscious effort to do so in future trials. I have not noticed any tonight.
On a positive note, there has been no OD with the six total sprays. “R” is happy and talkative tonight, however, I have seen no IOIs at all. I have been doing my best to feel this girl out for several months now and have not seemed to get any reaction from her, good or bad. I’m getting a tad bit frustrated that I cannot seem to get a hit from her.
One thing that has crossed my mind is that I have not worn any body spray or additional cologne with my pheromones since the very first experiment when I received my most obvious hit. I have worried about lack of diffusion since. All of my pheromones are stealth, but I have not used cologne with them because the situations in which I have used pheromones did not seem “cologne appropriate.” I’m starting to wonder if I would have better results with a body spray again. The troublesome part of that is finding a body spray that isn’t too strong.
I’m at a loss here. I know that this girl had significant interest in me when I first met her, but was in a relationship at the time. I’m on 6 sprays and haven’t OD’d around her and haven’t really had a hit either. Back to the drawing board!
Today I left work believing that I may be experiencing my first case of fallout.
While I have not had the success with my target that I had hoped for, I seem to have created some possible fallout effects with another young co-worker who was previously mentioned in this journal. I work with her on the weekends and have been wearing some combination of A314 and Ammo every day that I’ve worked with her. Her behavior around me has been escalating over the past several weeks.
In the last two days she has been particularly “grab assy” with me. She smacked me on the ass as she was walking by earlier today and then later grabbed a little handful when she was standing next to me as I was putting some things away on a shelf. I smacked this girl hard on the ass a week ago and this week she made it a point to talk about it in a way the she was almost out-right hinting that she loved it and wanted me to do it again, which I did before she left for the day. I should also add that I was not wearing anything today or yesterday. I hit the snooze a few too many times and was in a rush out the door.
This girl has increasingly given me more attention over the last several months that I’ve been wearing pheromones to work. I noticed an increased amount of attention from her the first time that I wore Ammo to work. When I began wearing A314 I started to notice that she seemed to be wanting my attention more. At the end of one of my shifts, she started doing some of my work for me. I never asked her to help. She also isn’t the type to do more than the minimum of what she’s asked, so that was pretty telling to me. We’ve recently started sharing food. She gets excited to share with me. Sometimes our boss will bring in donuts. On several occasions she has walked up to me with the last bite of a donut in her hand and fed it to me.
The fallout phenomenon is one of the main reasons that I’ve become fascinated with pheromone products. Could this be my first case of fallout?
“V” is dating a jerk. For that reason I don’t feel the least bit apprehensive in moving in if I’m able to. I still have my sights set on “R”, my original target, though less so now because I find “V” incredibly attractive and “R” has been exhibiting problematic behavior over the last several weeks. Not toward me, but just making poor life choices. I would still like to hook up with her just because I’ve been into this girl for the last two years, but her behavior has become a rather big turnoff and I’m enjoying the attention I’ve gotten from other girls in my experiments.
More to come soon.