Your favorite copulins products, Androtics and other

[Phoenix]

Pheros by DrSmellThis contains some copulins (not a lot apparently). It worked well for me the few times I’ve tried the new concentrate version so far…

Perhaps it could be added to the poll please?

[nbully79]

@jvkohl

It smelled faintly like the most potent pheromone/copulin-producing area of a woman’s anatomy.

I didn’t look at the dates on the posts, and thought this was a new discussion, at first. Bunny is probably long gone.

Astrid told me she had no intentions of marketing the copulin formula, and that I was welcome to do so–since she had already been approached by some people in France who she thought were going to introduce a product. She has taken on some administrative duties at the institute where she was studying, and Karl Grammer (Astrid’s former professor) told me that she is no longer doing pheromone research (confirming that he thought this to be a great loss of a talented researcher). At the same time, Karl told me his work on body motion had also led him away from pheromone research–even though he spoke about pheromones in his conference presentation. Later, he offered excellent comments on research that a student and I (trying to remain in the background) presented.

James V. Kohl
The Scent of Eros

Thanks James! I wonder in light of this, wouldn’t it be better to create a separate copulin-only formula identical to Astrid’s concotion rather than add Androstenol or any other pheromone to it. I understand Androstenol-LH connection but why muddy a formula which sounds (smells) perfect already.

Do you know if there are any products which are an exact copy of what Astrid presented…or do you have any plans to create/market such a product?

[jvkohl]

@nbully79

I perceive the statements of people who say they don’t care about the science as the ultimate incentive to create a scientifically based product and then demonstrate to them that it actually works better than the other products which are based on no real science.

If they don’t care about the science, it doesn’t matter what claims are made, what works, or how. What does matter is how much they are willing to pay to try different products, and possibly find one that works. I’m sure you are familiar with the statement: “Most people have more money than sense,” which I think is true with regard to their approach to the purchase of products that may increase their appeal.

@nbully79

Why shy away from them? They are the biggest market. Also since they don’t care about science they can provide the most objective feedback.

I disagree. They provide only subjective feedback, and typically the feedback is from only one person at a time. Objective measures of larger numbers of others’ behavior in controlled interactions, makes a case for objective feedback–somewhat like the concluding comments in a published peer-reviewed journal might provide.

@nbully79

If a product based on real science is not translating to better real world results (distinguishable from placebo effects) and satisfying the customers need as compared to a product which is apparently not based on science, then wouldn’t you say that probably the scientific knowledge is incomplete and that the other non-science based product “accidentally” hit upon something.

That depends on who’s doing the translating. If it’s a marketer, there’s less likelihood that they accidentally hit on something, and it’s more likely that they have no idea what they’re marketing.

@nbully79

Now your product Scent of Eros works great as established by numerous testimonials but shouldn’t you think about another demographic as well who probably need a much higher dosage of couplins than you have in your product currently. A good perfumer/chemist should be able to hide those odors pretty well. Afterall the women here have been doing a very good job of covering something as stinky as EW without any professional training and getting positive real world results time and time again.

The active ingredients in Scent of Eros for men can also be expected elicit behavioral responses in clinical studies, and these responses should correlate well with testimonials, which were/are helpfull in study design. The active ingredients in Scent of Eros for women, are much more complex. They are aversive to most people, and must be diluted and masked to be tolerable. If one woman manages to concoct the right formula for her, it is unlikely to translate to use by others. A good chemist/perfumer has a much better chance to create the right dilution and mixture of the same ingredients with fragrance added.

@nbully79

What is the problem with increasing the concentration of the copulin formula that is currently in your product by multiple times and keeping the Androstenol component the same and maybe releasing a beta test?

The problem for me, personally, is that I don’t want to release a copulin product that smells toxic, eats through the rubber bottle top (very acidic), and must be diluted/covered for individual test purposes. The problem for the chemist/perfumer is shutdown of every other product being manufactured in the same processing plant–for fear of contaminating the fragrance of other products. The problem for the marketer is finding a source for product fullfillment, where the product can be stored and shipped by someone who is willing to be subjected to the concentrated odor each time the warehouse is entered (no matter how the containers are sealed by multiple wrappings). Unless someone is willing to create, manufacture, and market such a product these three problems alone are insurmountable. An additional problem for me would be the likely effect on my scientific credibility. Can you imagine me asking colleagues to “smell this” in an effort to further research? I’ve always been able to do this with the active ingredients or the end products I’ve worked with–and with predictable results that add to my scientific credibility.

James V. Kohl
The Scent of Eros

[Kitten]

You’ve got me curious, Mr. Kohl. Hope you don’t mind a question or two.

We have established that there are copulins in Scent of Eros Woman. Scent of Eros Woman is manufactured on a large scale for purchase by the public. This means large amounts of copulins are used during the manufacturing process, and all the issues you have outlined about copulins have been addressed satisfactorily so that you can produce Scent of Eros Woman.

My question: What would the difference be if you added twice as much of the copulins to each bottle? You are using concentrated amounts anyway in order to mass produce your product. A copulin-only product, strong and scented to incorporate the gamey copulin smell into a cologne (preferably unisex), would sell like crazy and would take the place of Essence of Woman, a top seller at Love Scent.

The copulin scent is foul, but so are many perfume notes when smelled in concentration. In fact, indole is a horribly fecal scent that is part of the erotic fragrance of the jasmine flower. To me, copulins smell awful because the scent is incredibly strong, yet incomplete–as if I am smelling only part of another scent–as if a lot of the scent is missing. The copulin scent could easily be part of a cocoa butter or chocolate fragrance. If more scents were added around it to fill it out, it could be quite pleasant.

I’d be pleased to read your thoughts on the subject.
Kitten

[msselva]

why isn’t mx135 on the list? lol but I voted for is/a it’s my second fav’t

[inkling]

@msselva

why isn’t mx135 on the list? lol but I voted for is/a it’s my second fav’t

mx135 probably does contain copulins since it is the “kitchen sink” mix but probably not enough to considered a copulin product for the poll.

[phernoob]

Um i have to say i did participate. but i have not had any luck - that i know of with cops.
i have lam - cant afford eow.

any suggestions- since alot of ladies here seem to have a great response from their men?

[inkling]

Essence of women from love-scent is 19.95. A tip for over there is if you sign up for the mailing list occasionally a coupon code is put out for 20% off.

I find eow to be the easiest to use compared to lam, especially now that eow is much more mild scent wise.

Though my latest instant sexiness is 5x copulins in grapefruit scent and it is even easier to use than lust after me or eow. I don’t bother with a cover unless I’m amping the grapefruit with my Beauty Rush grapefruit scented stuff.

[msselva]

@inkling

Essence of women from love-scent is 19.95. A tip for over there is if you sign up for the mailing list occasionally a coupon code is put out for 20% off.

I find eow to be the easiest to use, especially now that it is much more mild scent wise.

inkling baby! how would you compare the scent to an Androtics product with 5X cops? (which smells like a light cheese lol)

[inkling]

Hahaha! Read my edit I had to go back and add that in after thinking about it for a second.

[msselva]

Smart! thank you!

[nosemolester]

@thomaslavoie

I have concluded that that girl Laurie whom i thought used copulins (a girl that i talked about a few months back) doesn’t wear copulins. So i have never smelled synthetic copulins.

How do males react when you wear copulins around them. Do they get an erection, or is it more subtle, the guy tries to cruise you?

I have read a post about the fact that the right mixture of copulins can boost a males testosterone levels by 150%. In that post, the guy said it didn’t work, maybe he didn’t order the right type. What would be the best type of copulin for the purpose of boosting a males testosterone levels?

I’d like to know which product does this?

[tisha23]

I’d like to know which product does this?

All copulin products do this if they are formulated correctly.

EOW will increase a mans Testosterone levels by 130% to 150% when worn by a women or when they have visual stimuli of a women. It dosnt work the same when worn by a man. Copulins work a little differently then mones.

For the research on this look up Astrid Jutte studies

Tisha

[Kramer]

@tisha23

EOW will increase a mans Testosterone levels by 130% to 150% when worn by a women or when they have visual stimuli of a women. It dosnt work the same when worn by a man. Copulins work a little differently then mones.

I thought they only had to smell this stuff. Are you sure they were also shown pics of women? I nowhere read this.

[Carrie]

Not taking sides here, but just an FYI: I was just reading an old thread on Lovescent forum where JVKohl said the study showed copulins raised testosterone in men just from sniffing the sample. This was years ago he said this.

[jvkohl]

@Carrie

Not taking sides here, but just an FYI: I was just reading an old thread on Lovescent forum where JVKohl said the study showed copulins raised testosterone in men just from sniffing the sample. This was years ago he said this.

The increased testosterone from Astrid Jutte’s copulin formula was reported at a conference (I still have a copy of the abstract). Until the formula for EOW is disclosed, I will find it hard to believe the same formula was used. And from the reports on EOW I’ve read, the concentration is extremely high, since Astrid’s mix had only a faint smell. A recently released “Science of Sex” video features Karl Grammer and Elizabeth Ober…(sp?) talking about the testosterone increase. I haven’t seen anything new on this but will be attending the Society for Behavioral Neuroendocrinology conference in two weeks, where I might learn more about recent works. Karl and Elizabeth did use a similar study design to one that my colleagues and I first reported in 2007. They found that fragrance amplified the effects of axillary odor.

James V. Kohl

[elle]

mx 250 is by far my faaaaavorite cop product!

[Lawrencej]

Hi Guys,
I have just brought PCC so not sure of it’s efficacy… Would really appreciate a good list. Ready to take it to the next level with TG

[Lawrencej]

@Bunny

Okies, will get to that tomorrow, NBully.

Carrie, could you add Pherone W-9 and W-1 to your poll please, as I use both to great effect.

They are great to add to alcohol-based perfumes, rather than oils, and work fantastically, even if added directly to the fragrance. Definitely EW or Cleo in feel and efficacy.

W-9 is also pure cops, and definitely packs a REAL punch. W-1 is cops and other pheromones, and is better (for me certainly) when you want to take less of a hands-on approach.

..which really ain’t that often for me! ^_~

Ail

Hi, Out of interest where did you buy these…

[tisha23]

Umm Bunny is not a member of the forum anymore so she cant answer your question.

W9 and W1 is from Pherone and Cleo you can get at Love scent.

Tisha