5x A314 + 2 Turn Up The Heat goes wrong

[WillieBeeman]

Well, I just arrived from the club so I’m totally wasted…

That being said, I had a really strange night. I went with 5x a314 + 2 tuth. When I arrived to the club I was a TRUE all star and EVERY ladies were attracted to me but as the temperature went up in this club since it was jammed, I started sweating.

30 min later, ALL THE LADIES were looking at me like I was about to rape them. Hopefully I had Instant Shine to go to help buffer but even with that I still had major conflict with two women who normally are really high on me.

Anyone had experienced a radical change like that with sweat being involve?

Not a good night.. not at all…

Peace

[John_Sebastian]

I’m not surprised since androstenone can be naturally found in your sweat basically turning your 2 sprays of TUTH into like 8.

Its a theory, anyway.

[mobocaster]

And the extra heat/humidity will speed-up diffusion no-end, again making the effect stronger.

Was it A314 oil or spray? The spray diffusion in a hot environment will be fastest.

[hillcat]

Well personally i really like this combo. And i am sure Steve would agree with me since i got the information from him.

Again results were very similar to yours. Now for the heat thing this would hold true as sebastien said i had very similar issues going out and i think that s what may of happen.

I have been meaning to try the A314 B spray at 5 sprays with 2 of tuth but kinda worried that this would be a ghosted session on my part. but even at that dont think that would make a difference but probably the effect would be hard hitting alot more than the oil.

If anybody as ever tried that i would love to ear from them. Steve if your reading this could you give your feedback

[Oasis314]

Wow. You might have ghosted as this dose might have been too much for you personally. You need balls for this mix. It is hard to be the congruent character of 2 TUTH.

You might want to tone down the mix with just one TUTH and barrier it with some Instant Shine.

I personally didn’t have problems with this mix, I used exactly 5D of A314 with 2S of TUTH. Got great results. Wasn’t too much of a OD with me and ladies loved me.

But I was a totally different person when wearing this mix.

I felt like a person with the biggest balls walking around the club and expecting people to just love me. It’s like James bond on sex-god mode.

Don’t give up though, ODing is just part of the process of fine-tuning what doses you need in order to give you best results.

Knowing how to use results is key to really mastering the doses to fit your character and style.

[DotCom]

Sounds like a serious OD to me. 5 shots of A314 will be crazy intimidating. 2x TuTH will yes, give you the aura of “I don’t give a shit about anything. I just wanna fuck someone tonite.” So combine the two and you get a serious OD outside of a club or bedroom. True, you did mention you were at a club and you said you had pretty decent results for the first 30 minutes. But you also mentioned sweat. Sweat is like a power house for bacteria. Bacteria breaks down mones into androstenone (most mones anyways).

[WillieBeeman]

I don’t think it’s the personality since I always been the alpha.

It’s more of a none OD. I’m 6’3, 27 years old close to a fitness guy shape since I train 7 days a week so I’m guessing I’m already producing strong amount of none. The mix may have hold for the first 30min but after that the sweat got involve and maybe the mone cloud around me was too strong…

I’ve been attending many meetings with 4-5 drops of a314 and it suited me perfectly so I got to drop the extra none in clubs…

Next time I will go with a314,IH and IS.

Anyone has experienced mx412-413 with a314 in clubs?

@Oasis314

Wow. You might have ghosted as this dose might have been too much for you personally. You need balls for this mix. It is hard to be the congruent character of 2 TUTH.

You might want to tone down the mix with just one TUTH and barrier it with some Instant Shine.

I personally didn’t have problems with this mix, I used exactly 5D of A314 with 2S of TUTH. Got great results. Wasn’t too much of a OD with me and ladies loved me.

But I was a totally different person when wearing this mix.

I felt like a person with the biggest balls walking around the club and expecting people to just love me. It’s like James bond on sex-god mode.

Don’t give up though, ODing is just part of the process of fine-tuning what doses you need in order to give you best results.

Knowing how to use results is key to really mastering the doses to fit your character and style.

[metalTree]

@WillieBeeman

Well, I just arrived from the club so I’m totally wasted…

That being said, I had a really strange night. I went with 5x a314 + 2 tuth. When I arrived to the club I was a TRUE all star and EVERY ladies were attracted to me but as the temperature went up in this club since it was jammed, I started sweating.

30 min later, ALL THE LADIES were looking at me like I was about to rape them. Hopefully I had Instant Shine to go to help buffer but even with that I still had major conflict with two women who normally are really high on me.

Anyone had experienced a radical change like that with sweat being involve?

Not a good night.. not at all…

Peace

Alternative explanation - Before a club gets crowded, the women on average are more friendly, more open to being approached, and more likely to approach.

Once a club gets super packed, the music gets super loud, and it gets super hot, the women become less open to meeting new guys. You are much more likely to get super bitchy reactions when you approach.

Even if you wear no pheromones at all, you will get more friendly reactions from women before the club gets crowded than you do when it gets super packed.

Since you were an all star with the ladies early on, I would consider your pheromone experiment a success.

[Strike]

1/2 - 1 spray of tuth with a314 is my limit. Anymore than that I will get slightly more aggressive than normal. I always run very hot and live in the desert… Gotta be careful with the sweat. Ha ha

[SteveO]

Remember Willie, your size and natural alpha status will play into what you wear. A really alpha guy is better off wearing something more warm and open than to amp up what he already has. More than likely you will push it over the top and cause it to, well exactly what happened. Most really alpha guys are better off with IG which is warmer and more charismatic than the A314.

[WillieBeeman]

@Steve

Remember Willie, your size and natural alpha status will play into what you wear. A really alpha guy is better off wearing something more warm and open than to amp up what he already has. More than likely you will push it over the top and cause it to, well exactly what happened. Most really alpha guys are better off with IG which is warmer and more charismatic than the A314.

Thank you Steve, it does make sense and I will certainly give IG a try but at the same time, every other thread are talking about how important congruency is. As alpha as I am naturally, I tought that I was suited best for a314…

I will continue to experiment cause I haven’t been able to nail the sweet spot yet… Hoping IG or mx412 will be a better fit.

It will be real hard to put a314 aside, what a great product!!!

Peace

[SteveO]

I think most people get congruency mixed up with what it really should be about. Why bother even wearing an attraction formula or alpha mix if you have to be that already? I’m of the opinion that kind of defeats the purpose. I’ve said it before in some of the journals that while congruency sure does help, what’s a shy kid supposed to do, just skip them altogether because he isn’t congruent? To me it makes no sense.

I think many new users come along and attempt to be an expert and then offer advice that is based on misinformation thus propagating even more misinformation.

Its not the mones you have to be congruent with, its yourself that has to be congruent with yourself. The mones are only a tool to amplify, to make you stand out, to give you a slight advantage. When we place all the emphasis on the mones, we give all our power to the mones.

Here are some posts I made about congruency and how you interact with the mones.

@Steve

Its a growing process. As you become more self-aware you become more incongruous and therefore people push back. However stay the course and develop that maturity to handle your inequities and thus overcome them. Remember its not the pheromones you need to become congruent with, they are merely a tool you can either use to your advantage or not, its you that has to be congruent with you.

I know a lot of members don’t quite get it when I mention that. How can a person not be congruent with themselves and the answer is ever present in life. First you must define what you want to be, what path you take. What is exactly at the end? Now that you have that defined you must understand and accept that the journey itself will shape your end, so your definition ever changes with each step you take. You mold yourself into the perfect definition, much like the snowball picking it bits and pieces along the way. At the end you will notice that, if you did it right, when you peal away all the layers the core values of your definition will still very much be intact.

Your core values will never change if they are the right core values. They can only grow stronger and as you grow stronger so will the world you shape.

@Steve

Dude A wouldn’t actually fail if he was confident with who he is, thus loved himself completely. I say it all the time that I enjoy Ijerk (as a very extreme example) because it allows me (a nice guy) to still be who I am, because after all I love who I am, but now with a perceived bad-boy persona. That’s the key. You have to love who you are, or regardless what you wear, ultimately you will not get the results you were expecting and therefore continue to have to readjust and learn from those experiences. Many people will unfortunately just quit, but will have to start over again down the line. We cannot get away from overcoming the obstacles that we learn from, whether now, or later, eventually we will need to overcome them to continue on our paths of discovery.

That’s where I differ from congruency. You don’t need to be congruent with anything more than yourself. Some people are not comfortable with their own selves. For a while I had issues with IO and said it made me come across as clownish. Notice what I wrote though as having issues with IO. I didn’t have issues with IO, I had issues with myself. Once I got those issues with myself handled I could either take IO or leave it, but it was merely a tool for me to wield. I put the power back into my own hands by loving the clownish aspect of myself. Guess what? When I did that I had many ladies and men telling me just how great of an outlook I had on life and how I made their lives happier. I became one with myself and my behavior, regardless of how big or small it was, its still me. I love me so that means I have to love all of me, even my behavior. From there life just opened up.

@Steve

About your theory and pretty much everyone else regarding congruency. I think everyone has it off by a hair. In other words wrong!

Uh uh stirring the pot again . I think too many of us believe we have to be congruent with the signature that the mones are putting off and that’s what I believe is throwing persons off. My take on congruency is therefore just a little bit different and you bring up a valid point in your theory about it. I read so many reports and such that people need to be congruent with signatures, but from my personal experiences with Ijerk this is completely untrue. See that’s the thing Mustang, I’m not a Jerk, but I wear IJ to great effect. Based on that, it wouldn’t be plausible to say I’m congruent with that bad-boy signature IJerk is the personification of. Rather I am comfortable with myself, who I am as a person, and thus can wear IJerk and reap marvelous benefits from that bad-boy persona, without having to fit the bill of personified Jerk.

Pheromones allow me to be who I am, without actually having to be congruent with anything I am wearing. What they do offer me is an opportunity to very much be comfortable with who I am and therefore give me an edge by adding a touch of IJerk, or the likes. My premise is based on me and being comfortable with who I am and therefore confident. If I am confident with being a nice guy, then adding in the Ijerk to give the bad boy persona comes across as natural and congruent.

Anyway just my thoughts

@Steve

I believe with your example, one I’ve used many times myself to make a point, the person has to first be comfortable with who they are. They have to completely accept that they are shy and be OK with it. Love themselves completely for everything, the entire shebang.

I read hundreds and hundreds of posts, like you do I’m sure, of people who come on the boards with the best intentions that they are going to change their lives, they are going to change this and that and be a better person. That says a lot right there about their state. Someone who loves themselves completely will not strive to become a better person, rather to improve on the things that already make them the best person they can be. When your already the best can you really be better? So if they loved themselves completely and accepted who they are than making the transition from shy to more talkative is a lasting change. Does it make them a better person? I would say no. Does it give them additional qualities to the best person they already are? You bet yah .

A good friend of mine, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4UGQcPAdTIs&feature=related, taught me that if I was ever going to change anything I first had to completely love everything that I already was first. I had to unconditionally love myself.

So back to your example. If that person accepts and loves themselves unconditionally for being extremely shy than that comes across as the ultimate in confidence. You could be the shyest person on the planet and yet have extreme confidence which is the single most attractive element a guy can have. Therefore if that guy loves his shyness as a small part of his wholeness then using IO will only enhance the wholeness and as such give him the genuine opportunity to talk more. Again though the paradigm comes from looking at the whole of himself with complete love and admiration for everything that he is…and isn’t. Once he has that than using any product only enhances the complete self rather than a person having to fake congruency. How exactly do you fake something you are not anyway?

The whole fake it till you make it theory, for me, is bunk! I cannot fake fear anymore than I can fake confidence. I was scared to death of social anxiety that for years it kept me inside and away from bars. Think about that. I was afraid of bars and girls. Social anxiety beyond the scope that most people talk about here. I could never wear a product like A314 and fake ALPHA status, or IO and fake openness. What I could do, and did do, is discover my love for myself. It was only then that I realized that I was awesome and hence capable of taking whatever steps I wanted to continue my journey. If I died that very day, I would have been complete and OK with who I was. At that time, that was my full potential because I loved who I was.

Now if it isn’t tricky to understand and follow yet, its about to get there;). When you love yourself, when you absolutely adore everything about yourself, including your quirks, you consequently also adore and love everything you want to change. Not because some part of you is in the minus area, but because some part of you has transformed and “naturally” progressed to the next level. The level though is not any better than the last because it is merely an internal shift.

Hope that all makes sense;)

So you see, you are already an ALPHA guy, in size and attitude so you got that going on. By adding in more ALPHA as in A314, you are coming over as almost unbelievable. Now don’t get me wrong, you could still wear A314 and get the desired results, but more than likely you’ll need to compensate with yourself for that extra bit you are putting on top of what you already naturally are. That’s why I recommend toning it down a bit. IG is still ALPHA, but also warm and charming. By you being “congruent” with the A314 you actually might be pushing it to far, because you believe that you have to be even more alpha than you already are. It’s more than likely subconscious, but I bet you are amping it up a bit. Heck for me A314 gives me that feeling of power so just by wearing it I’m pushing it. I have to remember to not become someone else because of synthetic chemical signatures, but to be myself completely and allow the synthetic chemical signatures to enhance who I am already.

I hope this all makes sense to you and if not I’ll do what I can to attempt to explain it better .

BTW this is not just about A314, that’s only an example. This could just as easily be about NONE or Ishine for that matter. Just be you and allow the mones to give the real you a boost.

[WillieBeeman]

First, Steve, this is as good as you can get for an answer, thank you very much! I will read it again tomorrow when I’m sober!

You got me: I just want to be most alpha man existing!!! It may not be the most noble goal but it is my quest : one of the character that inspired me the most was Tony Starks in Ironman and I’m gunning for his status…

Secondly, I’m totally wasted now!!! Back from an extended happy hour after my day of work… I NAILED IT BABY!!!: 5xa314 + 2tuth + 3IH = Tony Starks but a little more attractive as crazy as this may sound…

I was in a very cool lounge/bar on a chill night outside so no sweat factor involve like previously. There was around 75% guys so normally that would not be a good sign but not for me 2nite: I was with one attractive girl, a real 10 by all means so I didn’t pay attention to others girls in front of her but we weresurrounded only by girls, even my girl was like: all the girls are looking at you it’s incredible!

I told her to take a look in the surrounding and find me another place in the bar where there was close to this amount of girls: we were surrounded by 20 girls and the rest of the crowd in the bar were mostly mens. So I told her with all my alphaness: if I move, we still will end up being surrounded by girls since I’m a magnet baby.

There goes the most amazing moment in my short pheromone history experiences: without 15-20 min to us moving to the other end of the bar it become the exact situation as before: us circled by 15-20 womens with the rest of the crowd being largely mens in the bar… When I said circled I mean girls literally bumping me on my sides and in my back while the bar was about 30% full…

To top that, the girl with me keep saying that all women and the barmaids were looking at me but when I took a look I could not get eyes contact since they all look nervous or were looking in different directions.

I figure with a314 I may just look too cool so girls looked away while I’m looking at them but were starring at me while I’m not looking.

One other thing, my projection was really monstrous: a real 15-20 feet!!!

Finally, pardon my english since its not my first language and to top that I’m totally drunk…

Great great night, I LOVE YOU AD!!! I do train 7 times a week and look very good but this combine with your products and I’m able to entered a zone normally kept for celebrities and professional sports players!!!

And yeah, I had fun with my 10’…

Peace

@Steve

I think most people get congruency mixed up with what it really should be about. Why bother even wearing an attraction formula or alpha mix if you have to be that already? I’m of the opinion that kind of defeats the purpose. I’ve said it before in some of the journals that while congruency sure does help, what’s a shy kid supposed to do, just skip them altogether because he isn’t congruent? To me it makes no sense.

I think many new users come along and attempt to be an expert and then offer advice that is based on misinformation thus propagating even more misinformation.

Its not the mones you have to be congruent with, its yourself that has to be congruent with yourself. The mones are only a tool to amplify, to make you stand out, to give you a slight advantage. When we place all the emphasis on the mones, we give all our power to the mones.

Here are some posts I made about congruency and how you interact with the mones.

So you see, you are already an ALPHA guy, in size and attitude so you got that going on. By adding in more ALPHA as in A314, you are coming over as almost unbelievable. Now don’t get me wrong, you could still wear A314 and get the desired results, but more than likely you’ll need to compensate with yourself for that extra bit you are putting on top of what you already naturally are. That’s why I recommend toning it down a bit. IG is still ALPHA, but also warm and charming. By you being “congruent” with the A314 you actually might be pushing it to far, because you believe that you have to be even more alpha than you already are. It’s more than likely subconscious, but I bet you are amping it up a bit. Heck for me A314 gives me that feeling of power so just by wearing it I’m pushing it. I have to remember to not become someone else because of synthetic chemical signatures, but to be myself completely and allow the synthetic chemical signatures to enhance who I am already.

I hope this all makes sense to you and if not I’ll do what I can to attempt to explain it better .

BTW this is not just about A314, that’s only an example. This could just as easily be about NONE or Ishine for that matter. Just be you and allow the mones to give the real you a boost.

[Misein]

Awesome, Steve. You’re the king. Finally some light I really can appreciate on the whole subject of congruency. I’ve been thinking about it all along: What good can these mones do me if I have to act in a way I normally wouldn’t? If I have to put on an act, I ought to be able to do it without the stuff anyway.

I haven’t paid much attention to be congruent but I’ve changed quite a bit during this year I’ve been using pheromones. People behave a little different in my presence and so I react by behaving a little different. The most notable and most welcome change within me is that I’ve become a much more positive person. I used to be, not depressed, but melancholic most of the time. I thought life pretty much was a downward spiral although I didn’t have any big problems.

Today it’s much different. I’ve taken some risks lately with my business and am more in debt than ever, but I don’t worry about it. I’ve used the money to take steps toward huge improvements (sure, a lot of the cash went straight into mones ). I worry a whole lot less about the future because I take steps to improve it. That involves some risks but one can’t win if one doesn’t play.
I even surprise myself from time to time by telling people to stop being so fucking negative and especially to stop putting themselves down. I can’t stand listening to that shit anymore and I used to be the heavy weight champion in both those disciplines.

I now have the energy, the insight and the balls to decide that I’ve had enough of making barely enough money to get by from day to day. It’s time to make some serious splash in the market already, I’m about to be 40 fucking years old and have been struggling with my two firms for 7 of them. I got less cash than any burger flipper at McDonalds (no offense to them) and yet I’ve worked my ass off.

Seriously, I’ve always been too timid to really compete with others. I got my deals from people I’d worked for in the past and who knew I do a damn good job. I lacked the confidence to search for new openings in the market and bump other firms off them.

Next week I’m gonna try out as contractor for a big company and I know it’ll be fine. Their current contractor is much bigger than me, I’m a one man business, so I couldn’t fill their shoes if I wanted to. The other guys provide quantity, I give quality. I won’t get much more pay, but I said I must have a little. I put much more effort into the job, thus the quality is better. Less is enough sometimes but other times it has to be top notch, so there should be room for both of us.´

Did I just hijack this thread? :o
I’m sorry about that, I just needed to respond to Steves fantastic post.

[hillcat]

@WillieBeeman

First, Steve, this is as good as you can get for an answer, thank you very much! I will read it again tomorrow when I’m sober!

You got me: I just want to be most alpha man existing!!! It may not be the most noble goal but it is my quest : one of the character that inspired me the most was Tony Starks in Ironman and I’m gunning for his status…

Secondly, I’m totally wasted now!!! Back from an extended happy hour after my day of work… I NAILED IT BABY!!!: 5xa314 + 2tuth + 3IH = Tony Starks but a little more attractive as crazy as this may sound…

I was in a very cool lounge/bar on a chill night outside so no sweat factor involve like previously. There was around 75% guys so normally that would not be a good sign but not for me 2nite: I was with one attractive girl, a real 10 by all means so I didn’t pay attention to others girls in front of her but we weresurrounded only by girls, even my girl was like: all the girls are looking at you it’s incredible!

I told her to take a look in the surrounding and find me another place in the bar where there was close to this amount of girls: we were surrounded by 20 girls and the rest of the crowd in the bar were mostly mens. So I told her with all my alphaness: if I move, we still will end up being surrounded by girls since I’m a magnet baby.

There goes the most amazing moment in my short pheromone history experiences: without 15-20 min to us moving to the other end of the bar it become the exact situation as before: us circled by 15-20 womens with the rest of the crowd being largely mens in the bar… When I said circled I mean girls literally bumping me on my sides and in my back while the bar was about 30% full…

To top that, the girl with me keep saying that all women and the barmaids were looking at me but when I took a look I could not get eyes contact since they all look nervous or were looking in different directions.

I figure with a314 I may just look too cool so girls looked away while I’m looking at them but were starring at me while I’m not looking.

One other thing, my projection was really monstrous: a real 15-20 feet!!!

Finally, pardon my english since its not my first language and to top that I’m totally drunk…

Great great night, I LOVE YOU AD!!! I do train 7 times a week and look very good but this combine with your products and I’m able to entered a zone normally kept for celebrities and professional sports players!!!

And yeah, I had fun with my 10’…

Peace

their you go Willie your Beeman now for a quick question what was your application points

[WillieBeeman]

a314 to the neck
TUTH to the chest
IH to backhands

What a great night! I can’t wait to try it again, this mix is best suited for a lounge/bar atmosphere since the lighting is bright compare to a club so ladies can see you and there’s no excessive heat so no sweat problem…

Peace

@hillcat

their you go Willie your Beeman now for a quick question what was your application points

[hillcat]

@WillieBeeman

a314 to the neck
TUTH to the chest
IH to backhands

What a great night! I can’t wait to try it again, this mix is best suited for a lounge/bar atmosphere since the lighting is bright compare to a club so ladies can see you and there’s no excessive heat so no sweat problem…

Peace

how many drops did you use and spray

[alex398]

So you put 5 drops of A314 on your neck?? thats alot(if im wrong please correct me) btw i would try what you did with Ammo instead of Tuth im curious of the results.

[WillieBeeman]

Yep like I said,

5 drops of a314 to the neck,
2 sprays of TUTH chest
3 sprays of IH backhand

It’s on baby, can’t wait to try it again! If I go to a club I may tone down the Tuth to 1 spray or not at all with the heat and the sweat possibility..

[hillcat]

@WillieBeeman

Yep like I said,

5 drops of a314 to the neck,
2 sprays of TUTH chest
3 sprays of IH backhand

It’s on baby, can’t wait to try it again! If I go to a club I may tone down the Tuth to 1 spray or not at all with the heat and the sweat possibility..

whey its a combo i love just never added the IH but will try tonight