today was the first time i tested EST in a school setting and it turned into a fking nightmare. it was unbelievable. i tested EST just last night at my gf’s house and it was all good. (she was acting protective of me)
so i went to school with 50mcg EST with my usual mix (tiny -none, lots of p74 and shine) on today expecting some good results and man i was so disappointed and depressed.
first class, sat next to a female classmate who responded well to my initial greetings and some small talk about her love of swimming, then after about 10mins, she suddenly became standoffish and didn’t want to talk to me at all. i tried to make some little open ended comments to see if she’ll pick up the conversation again but she just completely ignored me and kept shifting around in her seat behaving as if she couldn’t wait to leave. k, strike number 1.
on my way out of the class, a brunette made eye contact, smiled and said hi to me. so i thought to myself, ‘ok, maybe that girl in class was a fluke, lets continue testing’
after about 3 hrs studying in the library, went to 2nd class, refreshed with another 50mcg spray of EST, 60mcg of p74, 20mcg of TAK, lots of shine, IFM, cttm2 and liquid trust. (the class is about 90% female) didn’t get much positive attention but no severe negative reactions either. but when i went up to the teacher to ask about tutoring programs she acted annoyed with me and kept the conversation short. she was very helpful and all smiles when the other students approached her. i left the class feeling like a failed experiement lol.
from what i’ve been reading, EST is supposed to elicit helpfulness and protectiveness from people. i got nothing remotely close to that in the school setting. it worked on my gf tho.
anybody else experience this with EST? or just anything negative with EST in general?
People say refresh after 3 hours, BUT! Everybody’s not right about that. Some mones outlive 3 hours, and if you just listen to what others say without testing’em … welllllll
Being hungry for hits can make you make bad decisions. Test Test Test
Reps for that pearl of wisdom about being “hungry for hits”, M&M. I was most certainly hungry for hits tonight with 3x TUTH. I didn’t ghost like I did last time with 3x TUTH, but nor did I get any hits. And the self effects were such that I wanted to get it on with just about every lady I found remotely attractive, I mean to a degree that manifested itself physically rather than merely aesthetically. I basically had a semi throughout the first hour LOL.
Anyway, the “hunger for hits” left me depressed when I didn’t get any. But, on the positive side, at least I didn’t scare people off. I don’t think so, anyway!
No need to get depressed. You should try 3 shots of IFM and cover the exact spots with TUTH … and give it a test run for a spell. It may have you smiling as it had me smiling from all the smiles from all ages and colors.
Test Test Test … it’ll answer all your OWN questions about any mix or any product.
I used EST a lot back in my chemset days. As a standalone, I found it to be a mellow and understated molecule. It mainly effects men, helping impart a relaxed comfy air. I found it does little for women. It’s also something you wanna use in intimate situations, not public forums like classrooms. Second, I found it best paired with other intimacy enhancing molecules like beta Androstenol or TAA.
Personally I found I didn’t give rat’s tail if other guys felt relaxed around me and the tiny to zip self-effects weren’t worth the bother for me.
Realize EST is normally produced by women and helps them bond with men. A guy wearing it around women may be perceived by women as off-balance, weird or creepy…
Frankly and this is just my opinion. Knowing what est is and where it derives from I would say you used way to much for a man. Especially since you used P74 with it which is very very similar to EST.
You probably came across as needy and that can turn alot of girls off.
that would definitely explain why she was totally ignoring me.
got it, EST in large doses = instant needy guy. so that’s why they use so little EST in the Realm for men. from now on i’ll reserve the use of EST for times when i need to hang out with lots of males.
thx Gegogi and Tisha, u guys are always there for us with the answers. reps!
i didn’t know P74 was similar to EST…?
Tater would disagree with most of this since he never refreshes every 3 hours, typically applies pheros only once a day, sometimes a second time after a shower before going out for the evening.
Tater also frequently wears 200-800mcg EST, all by itself and gets hits with it, definitely not a needy guy response. P74, however, has never been one of Taters favorites. Perhaps the scent?
For me, EST makes women feel comfortable, somewhat protective. They include me in conversations they normally wouldnt, discuss things they normally wouldnt, and touch when they wouldnt. Very good with IFM.
Heavy EST at the right time of a womans cycle seems to make her seek comfort with you, including one woman who takes cat naps on my shoulder (EST+IG). Then, once shes back to normal, i bring out an A314 derivative and she thinks i match what she needs like no other man including her so.
Well as LT said we are all different but it does go against everything I have been taught about pheromone cross over. Maybe you come across as extrememly masculine or intimidating normally and need all those female pheromones but 200 to 800 seems wasteful and non logical to me. They wouldnt even use that much in the gay mixes.
And she mentiones not going over 50 mcgs if your male I believe. (p74)
Michael said that when males use female pheromones they should keep it low (25 mcg or lower) and pair it with a heavy masculine mix as to not come off to sappy.
Its the same for the women really, A small amount of male pheromones can steer a mix for us but over do it and we come off as butch.
Maybe they are thinking of you as one of the girls meaning they think your gay. We tend to act that way with gay men.
Some of Taters best hits have come from monstrous doses of EST or IH. Hate to disagree with Tisha (and Jasmin for that matter) but Tater doesnt think monstrous amounts cause a “gay” impression, especially not with younger women. Maybe im bringing out lesbian tendencies, but some hits imply much more than friendly intentions. Much more.
And Tater doesnt have a threatening appearance to compensate for.
So Taters gonna step out on that limb and say Jasmin and Michael are mistaken in this particular case. Even after considering the possibility that P74 is a placebo replacement for EST, Tater cant imagine that P74 is EST. My journal is filled with a particular style of hit based on EST that i never got with P74.
Does this mean i need to find another source for EST? Im almost all out.
They are not mistaken. They are discussing general tendencies, not you you in particular. You of all people know this. Mr. Taters simply does not conform to the norm and is exceptional insomuch as he can wear amounts of EST most guys can’t. Everybody’s a little different and some are extremely different. Nevertheless, blanket statements about pheromones are aimed down the middle at the bulk of users, and not at exceptions to the rule. I can effectively wear giganormous doses of androstenone but doesn’t mean I should generalize and say the typical advice about spare use of -none is incorrect.
Thats very true, Jasmin and Michael are defiantly not mistaken. Before they release anything they know what it does basically they are looking for the range in reactions though.
I believe you when you say you get this effect with EST, I am in no way disagreeing with you. but a majority of men would not get the same effect as you. I am trying to understand the why of it. Many have tried and failed. Perhaps its just something in your chemistry or there are other reasons that would give a clue.
I didnt mean that as a insult just trying to find a clue as to why you get this effect because it would be helpful for others who may benefit from a really high dose. Obviously I have never seen you. Perhaps your extremely masculine and thats why you can get away with using high doses
I assume “much more” means you have sex. If not it could be a possibility they think your gay. Its hard to say you dont report much information about the hits. We treat Gay men like one of the girls. We show them alot of affection, we are not afraid to hang on, touch or be playful with gay men. We can be mildly sexual around them because its safe. Actually they make great girlfriends. I am not saying this is what is happening in your case. I just dont know.
Yes it does for now at least. I am not happy about it either.
Its not EST that would violate the patent. Its the closest you can get to it without it being the exact same molecule though.
