A Little Psychophysiology

Hello all. Truth be told, before I introduce myself, I should say that my natural instincts have me grounded in skepticism simply by necessity of the scientific process. However, while I believe that skepticism is a necessary component of scientific research and exploration, I think operating absolutely from within its boundaries is as detrimental as operating completely without it.

Having completed a psychology major, I know that it can often be unwise to idealize human emotion, specifically love, elevating to a level that is innately above human comprehension, making it by its very essence, impossible to understand. Although it sure feels good to, sometimes. The truth of the matter is that there are far more biochemical impulses behind the wheel of human behavior then we tend to give credit to. I’m not trying to get super-scientific, but simply trying to explain where my perspective lies in the area of pheromone research.

Psychology states as one of its core principles:

ALL human behavior has a purpose, and that purpose can be understood.

The argument that remains of course is the eternal one, the one that will go on for centuries because people love black and white classifications, becoming utterly bored with shades of grey. Nature vs Nurture. It has to be, it just has to be, one or the other. Why?

We know that when people fall in love, the body produces a surge of euphoria-inducing PEA (Phenethylamine). We know that this compound makes us feel good and is thus addictive, driving the person to seek higher production of the compound by getting closer to the object of affection responsible for producing it. We know that PEA has a life-span, that eventually it fades away taking the euphoria with it, and you are left seeing the person (sans-love-goggles) as they really are. That’s Nature.

But we also know that “birds of a feather” do indeed “flock together”. We are naturally attracted to people who share common interests, values, or even people who look a little bit like the image of of our ideal partner in our head (brunette/blonde, blue eyes/brown eyes, etc). Almost every one of those attributes is determined by our social environment and upbringing. The image of the “ideal partner” in our heads is an amalgamation of celebrities, childhood crushes, friends, observations of other peoples’ relationships, personal experiences, and our overall logical assessment of the person who would make us most happy. That’s Nurture.

So falling in love is biological, but who we fall in love with is psychological. So what? Does it make love any less real because your body is doing more than your mind? Does it make your choice of partner any less valid if it was somehow predetermined by your social environment? Ask someone single these questions and they might say yes. But ask someone madly in love and they probably couldn’t give a damn about PEA, childhood crushes, or any of that shit.

I’m a male, 23 years old, and single. I’m have an affliction entitled “hopeless romance”. Despite my natural inclination towards logical scientific analysis, I allow my emotions to do pretty much what they want. Because if you think about it, what could be a better subject for scientific analysis than that? I believe in Nature and Nurture, and I will always believe that two answers are better than one. I am fascinated by pheromone research and have no doubt that despite our development of powerful tools of thought and reasoning, humanity will always be bound by the roots of its evolutionary imperative, procreation. Thus, the tools we evolved to that effect early on (pheromones, beating the crap out of each other to get the girl), will always have a profoundly more significant impact than anything we can reason into creation today.

Finally, I want to say my rant was not simply random pontification but grounded in a purpose that I believe is significant to any kind of research and that I plan to bring to the table in any pheromone-related discussion. I believe that biological reactions are far more potent than social and psychological reaction, due to the very fact that they are not processed by the rational mind and we cannot control them. However, one thing biological reactions cannot do is quiet or silence the rational mind, which means no matter how powerful or intoxicating the pheromone, people will still be thinking. Thus, I believe a strong self-awareness or knowledge of self combined with biological impulses (pheromones), can go miles in attraction/seduction research. If you know what your strong spots are already, then you can figure out your soft spots and tweak those to taste.

So that’s it. I’m guessing I lost most people after the 2nd paragraph, so sorry about the length. The overall goal for me I would say is self-improvement; making yourself into the best version of yourself possible, no matter how you do it. And that’s not cheating, that’s just good sense.

Great intro post!

I agree with your opinion on Nature vs Nurture… who says there can only be one correct answer? I have always been interested in psychology.. do you specialize in any area?

The great thing about pheromones is that there are endless possibilities. We are on the frontier and there is soo much to learn and experience.

What are the main effects you would like to gain from pheromones? Also, how are you in social situations? Are you quite, or outgoing? Where do you plan on using pheromones the most?

Do you have any specific targets?

I look forward to your response!

HI there,

Welcome.
What a long academic introduction.

Tell us more about your purpose of using pheromones. You are looking for improvement. Is it in the aspect of attraction, respect, sexual or others?
Please explain who are your targets?
Then we can recommend some pheromones for you to try.

Cheers

Hi and Welcome to the forum,

Yes, you’re on to something, truly have to be open-minded to the possibilities an not restrict ourselves with boundaries as you said. I’m finding it out as well during my course of studies that biochemical impulses does influence people responses to a degree.

So, your are “hopeless romance or romantic”, is it safe to say, in general in our early, who’s not. “I allow my emotions to do pretty much what they want.” lol, okay. I see from your comment, you made me crack a smile, I believe the research side of you has you ready to ‘test the waters’ and by the way I’m still hanging with you (your intro) and can still the sky.

Alright! Self-improvement overall - can you be more specific and break it down, as you know fully know we need to know exactly what you want to address, expressed in a way so that we best serve your interests.

I’ll be standing by waiting to help.

MVKBUGATTI

Hey there. I appreciate the quick responses. In regards to my specialty, I am currently applying for my PhD in Clinical Psychology. I believe when people train themselves to become more self-aware, become students of themselves, they will then become their own best therapists.

As for me, I’m interested in pheromones in order to be a little more socially outgoing, and invoke a little more sexual confidence. I am fairly confident when it comes to talking to women, and I usually initiate the conversation and am pretty good at maintaining interest. However, I’m not great at approaching women, especially strange women, and developing a flirtatious rapport.

I’m definitely not the shy guy, but I’m also not the guy who knows when to make the move. I guess I would say I know how to catch a woman’s sexual interest, but rarely act on it once I’ve got it. I’m an intellectual of sorts and I’ve been told by some women that my assertiveness in conversation can be somewhat intimidating.

Overall, I would say I need to get myself out of my own head, get over the need to find love or perfection with each person I meet, and try to be a little more casual and sexual in my approach to attraction.

Going back to nature and nurture, I think our minds naturally develop a template of pheromones that are suited specifically to the individual, and are tailored to compensate for whatever is diminished by the personality. For example, I have noticed in the past that whenever I seem to have an affect on a women, that effect is usually sexual in nature, and it is also usually aggressive. Most of my experiences with women have involved them making the first move, and becoming sexually aggressive with me later on. It makes me wonder whether my mind understands that the sexually shy part of my personality is getting in the way of my getting laid (the evolutionary imperative), and thus produce sexually-enticing pheromones in order to counteract/compensate for this problem.

So what do you think? What would be some ideal pheromone recommendations for me? Right now, based on what I’ve read, I’m thinking:

Turn Up The Heat - to establish a sexual vibe from the start, for both me and her, and counteract my natural impulse to make things intellectual

Instant Shine - to give me some more confidence in social situations and prevent me from over-analyzing everything by keeping me and everyone around me in a good mood

Alpha A314 - to make it easier for me to make the first move, knowing that women will respond more openly to someone they feel like they can trust and respect

Let me know what you think.

p.s. Sorry about the academic rhetoric, force of habit.. :slight_smile: I promise I’ll try to make it a little more vernacular from here on out.

Thank you for the added info jblake.

Personality and all that really is necessary for us to give you better suggestions.

First of all, you mentioned that your effect on women is usually sexual in nature, and they make the first move. Based on that, I am not quite sure TUTH will be the ideal mone to start off with.

The thing with A314 is that it raises status. Women and men will definitely respect you more, but would probably be less open to you. For instance, I never wear A314 on a date because there is much less conversation and openness between me and my date.

I agree that Instant Shine would really help to boost your confidence. It will also help to convey an image of a fun, healthy “glow” to your targets.

Now I would also suggest some Instant Openness. This really gets the conversation flowing more easily. Your targets will talk more, and so will you.

For the sexual attraction, I would go with Ammo. It is a great all around pheromone that works in basically all situations.

Academic rhetoric is welcome here.. especially if you come back and fill us in on your results once you get your mones. More details :smiley:

So what do I think? J Blake, I’ll share my thoughts on your comments, please feel free to response back.

“Turn Up The Heat (Turn Up the Heat – Sensual Pheromone Spray Cologne for Men - Alpha A314) - to establish a sexual vibe from the start, for both me and her, and counteract my natural impulse to make things intellectual.”

My thoughts: Yes, you’ll have that vibe from the ‘get go.’ Now will it counteract your natural impulse, I don’t think so. My thoughts are you’re going feel a little more confidence. I might add if you chose TUTH it’s best to kind soften it with a buffer action; such as Instant Honesty; some people feel that IH kinds of relaxes them a bit and that could work on your behalf. It also has a real nice effect on others.

“Instant Shine - to give me some more confidence in social situations and prevent me from over-analyzing everything by keeping me and everyone around me in a good mood.”

My thoughts: I believe Instant Shine has a wonderful self effect; however that could dimishsed over time somewhat from continues use; truly a fun product, aim mainly in influencing others to experience that glowing effect.

“Alpha A314 (A314 Classic Edition – Trust & Respect Pheromone for Men - Alpha A314) - to make it easier for me to make the first move, knowing that women will respond more openly to someone they feel like they can trust and respect.”

My thoughts: I believe certain type of women will response better than others to A314, it cast an aura upon the user liken to ‘high class’ or to ‘high status category,’ fitting for some women to others they may be intimidated by this persona. From what I heard and from what you’ve report, I believe you like the confidence factor. Yes Sir. I just feel you’ll like it, from what I have in mind this will attract ladies whom maybe looking for LTR, really alpha ladies, and smoking hot, good looking women. Not all will except this ticket to the invitation.

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Hey all. Thanks for all of your input. As this is my first purchase, I figured I would go with the products that seem to bear a significantly specific effect, and thus would make for easier testing to see what works and what doesn’t. I had decided on three products:

Instant Shine - for the confidence boost and all-around feel-good sensibility

Instant Openness - for the ice-breaking, anxiety-reducing factor, as well as overall comfort, trust

Turn Up The Heat - for the sexual factor and a more “physical” test of pheromone effect

I figured those three were specific enough that they would be easy to test in various scenarios that suited them (i.e. TUTH - nightclub, IS - hanging out with friends, IO - on a date). Problem is, Androtics was sold out of TUTH and IO, so I have to put a raincheck on those. Instead my first purchase was:

  • Instant Shine - regular spray
  • Alpha A314 - 10ml
  • Instant Openness - regular TOGO
  • Turn Up The Heat - regular TOGO

This way I feel like I can test the A314 at work first to see its general effects before taking it into the dating arena. And I can test the TUTH to see if it might be too much for me since, as future777 said, I already tend to evoke a more sexual than intimate reaction in women naturally. That way I can figure out if AMMO might be a better choice (which is also sold out, btw!).

So what do you guys think? Any thoughts on how I should mix them up? Or better yet, how I shouldn’t? :wink:

J Blake,

I think that you’re the boss and know exactly what you’re doing.:slight_smile:

MVKBUGATTI

Great selection of pheromones there.

My best advice for you is to try each one by itself first. Get a feel for how they each effect you and those around you. Start at 1 spray, then work your way up to 2, 3… whatever gives you the best results.

It is all about trial and error.

Keep us up to date on your results!

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