A very delicate situation and my new pheromones. Advice Badly Needed!!!

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Hey Guys I bought

Ammunition
Turn Up The Heat
Instant Female Magic
Instant Shine
Instant Openness
Instant Honesty
Instant Gentleman

Now primarily, I have two goals, I want to accomplish only one of them, but I want to look at your guys advice before deciding which one to work on. If one doesn’t work, I will of course jump to the next.

First there is a girl I like. I have already gotten some advice about what to do about her on this forum, and what to use. She has told me she doesn’t feel like dating anybody, and she isn’t intersted in me anyways. She says she wants to be friends, but I am not sure she really takes that seriously. So some guys said use ammunition, instant female magic, and instant shine on her, then later, use turn up the heat, kinda as a shocker, then to leave her alone for a bit, then see what she is like next time I talk to her. So i might try that.

Though seeing what I have orderd above, what else do you guys recommend.

Now my other goal is the one I want to accomplish the most. It will probably be harder though.

I am friends with the above girls sister. I actually like this friend more then the above girl. Now the problem is, she has a boyfriend. Me and this girl talk often, and get into deep discussions sometimes. We joke around, and are somewhat comfortable with eachother. She even gives me advice on how to win over the girl in the first goal- her sister. Of course she is a little confused about her sister as well, and why she wouldn’t like me. So you can see we are somewhat comfortable with eachother. At one point she did like me, but she also liked this other guy, and liked him more then me, and I didn’t make a move, so the other guy got to her first. I didn’t make a move, cause at the time I wasn’t interested, and I didn’t really know her cause she had just moved here and so did I. She had met the other guy before when visiting the area before the moved two years earlier. I know her now, and she drives me crazy. Now this guy she is with, he is real nice as well. So I don’t want to start a figt with him or anything, and I’m kind a friends with the guy as well. Not best friends or anything, but we talk sometimes, and say hi when we meet. We might even get together sometime. So I don’t want to make him mad at me, cause he is a nice guy. I don’t want to hurt him to bad. I am aware though that stealing his girlfriend will cause hard feelings. It’s a risk I am willing to take. I just don’t want it to cause great contention. A little is fine, but not lots. So I’m not sure how to go about getting this girl, cause I think it is possible, considering we are friends anyways. So using what I have ordered, and a little advice on action to take, what would you guys recommend in this situation. Now also how to convince this girl I am a better guy. Her is some info, how should I use it? Well her boyfriends parents don’t want him dating steady now, and will take his car and life pretty much away if they catch him doing so. He dates other girls so that it looks like he isn’t steady dating. He is quite friendly with other girls, and at church dances hardly hangs with his girlfriend cause he is with other girls. Actually at church dances i end up hanging with his girlfriend lots in a group. She has told me she gets jealous when she sees him with other girls, and dancing with them, and not her. I dance with her probably more then he does.

I really would like to accomlpish the second goal the most, but the first is also in heavy consideration.

Any advice on both situations would be greatly appreciated. My list of pheromones above is all I have in my arsenal of getting a girl. I hope it’s big enough for these delicate situations.

Also if this might help, most of the time when I’m with these girls is in church, seminary, or at church activities, cause they are from my church. I rarely get a chance to see them at other times accept at the church youth dances, which I am sure are great opportunities. I dance with both girls at the church dances which are usually friday nights, then later we see eachother at church on the sunday.

Thanks for any advice. I’m really needing it.

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Don a few zaps of Shine and invite her (your choice) to pray in a private place. Born-again Christian women often feel close to a guy after prayer. Of course you should lead the prayer so you seem more manly 'n stuff. At the least she will feel she knows you better and maybe will trust you a bit more. Or she may view you as a strong man of God, a possible head of household and hear wedding bells. What the hay. Give it a wack. It might work. Worked for me several tmes but then it’s difficult getting rid of Christian girls later as they tend to play for keeps more than the great unwashed…

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tell you one thing. give up on the sister who has a boyfriend :slight_smile: I made enough posts today on another thread related to this :open_mouth: trust me, come on :stuck_out_tongue:, if shes taken shes taken.. if you make a bad move, you might be X(… :stuck_out_tongue: the guy will hate you, the girl would be extremely confused and maybe dislike you and perhaps even her sister would find out.
This is no pheromones subject.. its a deeeeeeeppp discussion :stuck_out_tongue:

Other than that, try the same as told you in the other thread with the other girl.. but now on this girl :slight_smile:

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ya the girl with the bf is gone neways just because she knows u like her sister and she would be confused to see u hitting on her 2…

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Hah! I have to disagree with Flip on this one. I say: don’t forget either goal … and be willing to risk everything.

Sister without bf: non-target sister; sister with bf: target sister.

What if you told the non-target sister the whole truth: that you liked her a lot – but (diplomatically) that you are also attracted to her sister with a bf – considering how much time you spend with the (target) sister. (I would wear Instant Female Magic plus Instant Honesty with this non-target sister.) Tell her that you don’t have an answer to this situation, but that you felt that honesty is the best course for everyone concerned.

Don’t say that unless and until you really feel it, and know it.

Ask for her help and advice sincerely and listen. In fact, take notes, with a pen and paper. She is going to SEE that you listen to her. This is important, that she see you writing notes. At just one point, lightly touch her arm, and ask her to repeat something as you write it down.

Then with her sister (target) – I would skip the Friday night dance for one week, and if you cannot skip church on the following Sunday, then get in and get out, without doing more than saying “hello”. Avoid the sister target as much as possible … make it obvious, but as if you are trying to not make it obvious, you understand?

Then, go to the NEXT Friday night dance, wearing a fairly strong dose of Instant Gentleman (3 sprays or more), a shot of Ammunition, a spray of Instant Shine. Better than even money the other sister has told her, I’d give 4 to 1 odds on.

Confess to her how much you like her … and her sister … and how you’ve been biting your lip, because you so enjoy spending time with her … while her bf is dancing with other girls.

But … do NOT say you want her to be your gf. No matter what turn the conversation takes, do not “choose” between her and her sister, and do NOT even give a thought that she might give up her bf.

Tell the truth, or say nothing at all, or if you have to say something say “I’m confused” or “I don’t know what to do” or “I don’t know what to say.”

And be as still as you can be. Listen. (but don’t take notes on paper! take notes mentally. in particular, notice which way her feet are pointing as you talk, and whether her arms are crossed or not.)

Later that night, apply one or two sprays of Turn Up The Heat and dance with her again.

Think of this as a romance story. DO NOT be tempted to tell her how it ends, or how it should end, or how you want it to end. Shrug your shoulders, smile your best winning smile, tell the truth and nothing but the truth, and LET HER MAKE HER CHOICE. She’s in control of her own part in the story anyway … so respect that.

And she might make a choice, but that doesn’t mean it’s a forever choice. She could make another choice in a month, or three.

Don’t give up on your goal. You are not responsible if she decides that she prefers you as a boyfriend over her current boyfriend. Sometimes people change their minds, and you respect her right to do that, don’t you?

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Well I agree with you MarkL if she decides to make the choice of one guy over the other, but OMG, take notes, be honest!

It’s like a freaking romance novel gone haywire… but I so desperatly want to hear about the outcome when and if you do it that way. Please, please, please tell me what happens. Oh yeah and post the notes too.

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Wow this is alot to take in. But it is very helpful. The whole honesty thing. Well I did talk to the sister with the boyfriend, and told her I liked her. This was a while back. And I told her I liked her sister as well. I said that if she ever wanted a chance, or something didn’t work out with her and her boyfriend, that I was here. The other girl, her sister, the one without the boyfriend, I told her that if she wanted a chance, she just had to ask, since I already asked her. So they both know that I like them both. Now later though, things were getting a little weird. I thought, it could have just been paranoia, but Ithought things were getting strange between us, I decided to ease the tension and tell the girl with the boyfriend that I wasn’t interested in her the same way as I was before. That I wanted to be friends. Then her sister, who I asked, and said she just wanted to be friends, i said I would be friends, and if she was interested, just to talk to me. So they both know that I like both of them, though one thinks I’m not interested in her the same way anymore. I’m not sure if this has alot to do with anything, but I think maybe it could help you guys a bit more with giving advice. But I like the advice so far. THanks guys. Keep it coming please. And it probably would be easier to go after the girl without the boyfriend, but I do like the one with the boyfriend more. I suppose I’ll see how it all goes once I get my order in. See which one I get the best response with.

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Seriously go to the top of this forum and click on the link that says: Dating? No “Game”? Use Pheromones with “The Mystery Method” (http://affiliates.mysterymethod.com/z/28/CD84/)

Read it and it will clear everything up for you.

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I just came up with a good plan, a bit more specific then MarkL’s plan, but pretty close to the same.

At the next dance, I dance with the non target sister, and talk to her a bit. I put on Instant Female Magic and Instant Honesty like he suggests. What do you guys think about me using Instant Openness as well? Would that be a good idea? Then while dancing I say, I need to talk to you. Can we go for a walk around the church building for a talk. Hopefully she will say yes. I am guessing she probably will. Then when I am out there with her, I tell her that I am much confused. That I like her, and her sister. I will tell her that I am quite aware that the target sister has a boyfriend, and aware that her- the non target- has no interest in me the way I want her to. (I am using target and non target so you guys no who I’m talking about) They both are targets. Though of course the target sister is the main target. lol. I will tell her that I just have these confused feelings. That I want her- the non target- or her sister the target. But I know that it probably won’t happen do to her and her sisters non feelings for me. I will tell her that I am saying this cause I must get it off my chest, and let them know the truth about how I feel, cause I can’t walk around a lie, saying that I just want to be friends, cause I want to be more then friends, but know they don’t want to be. I won’t say anymore after that. If a long silence pursues, and she doesn’t say anything, then I will say that I don’t know what else to say, thats my feelings. Do with them what you will. Then I will get up and leave and go back into the dance. I won’t dance with her or her sister. THen I’ll avoid them at church. At the next dance… This is where I’m a little wary about that point of advice Mark L gives. I might follow this part, but does anybody else have any advice for this point.

I am still liking the plan Flip gave me in another post, so I might try that one too, it seems to invovle a lot less risk. But for this plan, what other variations do you guys have at this point. Or do you guys have whole new plans. the more the better. Thanks.

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They are both very good advices :slight_smile: though the one I gave you may be more positively affecting and not negatively confusing because with the second advice.. it WILL be either pretty negative or averagely positive..
Not sure how to say this.. but if you tell them everything and I mean everything, she/they might become extreeeeeemmmmeeelllly confused themselves and might just want you to forget about the whole situation and move on.
I envy you (positive) if you have the guts to do this 2nd advice.. perhaps the target girls would do the same :slight_smile:

See MarkL what you have brought us into :stuck_out_tongue: just because you disagreed :smiley:

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The simplest solution would be for you to wholeheartedly pursue the single sister. She probably doesn’t want to date you because of how close to her sister (taken one) you are. Who wants to date their sisters good friend? I suspect that if you were to get to know her (single sister) as well as you know the other, you would find she is a wonderful person to be around and not regret your decision. You need to decide which one you want and realize that chasing one wholeheartedly will probably prevent you from ever dating the other.

Frankly, I would suggest something similar but a little different. While dancing with the girl who is taken, tell her you really need to speak to her. Take her aside on a little walk if you can (walks are great for thinking). Wear 2 instant shine, 2 IO, and 2 IFM and tell her you really want to date her sister but explain that you are afraid the close relationship between herself (the taken sister) and you might be interfering and wonder what she would suggest. Explain you really care for the single sister but don’t want to lose her (taken sister’s) friendship. Look her in the eye and ask her what she thinks you should do. LISTEN. Suggest that maybe she could talk to her sister for you. At that point don’t go dance with the single sister, probably best for you to leave then. Expect the taken sister to inform the single sister that you really want her. See what happens. You have to read the situation a bit though.

You don’t want to suggest that you would date either of them because whomever you end up with will feel like second choice. That is a very bad situation to be in.

Also, if a large period of silence happens, you need to wait it out. The one who speaks first loses the negotiations. She will eventually speak.

Additionally, you might want to experiment a little with Instant Shine, IO and IFM so you can determine your best dosage prior to when you are going to count on them.

Just my thoughts…

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Lol. Ya, quite a confusing game all this stuff is. Been at it for a while with these girls, now I somehow have to fix to my advantage.

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Does anybody else have any advice? Does anybody have an part to add where I left off on my plan? Or another plan?

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Oh another question. None Target is 16, Target is 17. What would be good spray amounts.

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Besides finding a new target :smiley:?

Oh to be 17 again…

Seriously, I would prob. focus on one girl at a time, espessially if they are related. If they were, say, just distant pals, then making one jealous of the other could work, although not totally ethically kosher :wink:.. In your case, I would shy away from that..

You prob. should try just wearing some Ammo around, and pretend you ain’t interested in any of them, and if they come to YOU, than it’s cool, but meanwhile, you can try to convince yourself and them that you are interested in someone else…

Good luck!
Let us know what happens.

Did I mention to wear Ammo? All the time.

What is it?
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I have posted another suggestion, it just appears to be trapped in moderation…

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You’d do alright with 1 or at most, 2 Ammo sprays, methinks

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aight you know what, go for my plan. the other plan will make you weak while mine will make them want you :smiley:

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I like Flips Plan. Thats the one I’m going to do. The other ones are to complicated, to risky, if it messes up, then I got cool girls not liking me. Flips is pretty straight forward, pretty simple, and not much risk, as well it goes along with What HotMama says, so that is two people saying the same thing. And I like them more. Thanks for the advice guys. I’ll let you guys know what happens. Now for my pheros to show up. lol. Hope it doesn’t take to long.

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Good luck Thorick and I’ve read through your situation, talk a about a predicament to be in, I agree with HotMama on phero usage, run AMMO all the time it’s perhaps the best all in one mix that doesn’t require long experimentation and the risk of messing up a mix. In terms of what to do, I see where all users are coming from pertaining to their advice towards you. As you chose Flip’s advice I wish you the best and keep us posted. :smiley: